Leading Anti-Marijuana Academics Are Paid By Painkiller Drug Companies

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TechUnique

One could say that the maturation of the internet has really helped to open people's eyes to the truth. It still doesn't happen overnight, but change never does and it is ALWAYS resisted.

Isn't the resistance oh so blatant as well?

Whenever something ground breaking or irrefutable gets into the limelight you can just count on a barrage of nonsensical keyboard warriors, trolls and shills with an agenda.

It's a joke.

That being said, truth has a funny way of prevailing.

Here in the UK (and I'm sure most other countries) things can turn into a national discussion overnight. Flash mobs can be summoned in a matter of hours.

Look at the riots that started in North London a few years ago and spread across the country.

Times are changing.

You can almost sense the panic of the Global elite.

The first amendment should be changed.

You are free to speak, as soon as you disclose who you are speaking for. The media should have to follow this rule to the letter of the law under the penalty of imprisonment.

When someone is on any payroll, associated with any group, this kind of thing needs to be disclosed. It should go for politicians as well. Well, it should go for everyone, seriously, a rewrite on the first amendment that is in grave danger of being usurped. If you don't think it hasn't been already.

For the news agencies, it should be an unwritten rule that anyone speaking on air giving opinion pieces, should be countered by either an opposing group and at least 1 person at all times speaking on behalf of people. You know, those annoying creatures corporations enslave, always mucking about and causing problems for the bottom line whenever they open their mouth.

Hello, I am _____ speaking for myself. Those words should be like a war cry, to everyone in the room, "My words mean 100x more than yours so you better sit down, shut up and listen to what I have to say."

All the rest, under this law, you can imagine how people would perceive them if they stated, "Hellooooo, I'm _______ speaking on behalf of _______."

*eyebrows raise*

"Oh right.... what's that, it causes death, insanity, SIDS, gout, Aids? Cool, sorry... wasn't paying attention, are you done now?"



On topic: It's kinda hilarious that these guys are pushing to ban a plant, because they want to prescribe heroin and crystal meth analogues to you and your kids. Think about that, sane, rational people... think about that.

originally posted by: boncho
The first amendment should be changed.

You are free to speak, as soon as you disclose who you are speaking for. The media should have to follow this rule to the letter of the law under the penalty of imprisonment.

When someone is on any payroll, associated with any group, this kind of thing needs to be disclosed. It should go for politicians as well. Well, it should go for everyone, seriously, a rewrite on the first amendment that is in grave danger of being usurped. If you don't think it hasn't been already.

For the news agencies, it should be an unwritten rule that anyone speaking on air giving opinion pieces, should be countered by either an opposing group and at least 1 person at all times speaking on behalf of people. You know, those annoying creatures corporations enslave, always mucking about and causing problems for the bottom line whenever they open their mouth.

Hello, I am _____ speaking for myself. Those words should be like a war cry, to everyone in the room, "My words mean 100x more than yours so you better sit down, shut up and listen to what I have to say."

All the rest, under this law, you can imagine how people would perceive them if they stated, "Hellooooo, I'm _______ speaking on behalf of _______."

*eyebrows raise*

"Oh right.... what's that, it causes death, insanity, SIDS, gout, Aids? Cool, sorry... wasn't paying attention, are you done now?"



On topic: It's kinda hilarious that these guys are pushing to ban a plant, because they want to prescribe heroin and crystal meth analogues to you and your kids. Think about that, sane, rational people... think about that.

This, a million times over.

I just read the article fully. Hilarious. This is HA HA funny in a very sad and scary way. Sad and scary because you know some people still eat these lies and don't mind, heck, they ask for seconds.

LEADING ANTI-MARIJUANA ACADEMICS ARE PAID BY PAINKILLER DRUG COMPANIES

As Americans continue to embrace pot—as medicine and for recreational use—opponents are turning to a set of academic researchers to claim that policymakers should avoid relaxing restrictions around marijuana. It's too dangerous, risky, and untested, they say

These are the same companies that push doctors to prescribe Oxycontin for a twisted ankle (off label) while they were intended for cancer patients, etc.

Overdose deaths from prescription painkillers have skyrocketed in the past decade. Every year, nearly 15,000 people die from overdoses involving these drugs—more than those who die from heroin and coc aine combined.

These are the same companies pushing their alternative drugs that kill 15,000/year, who didn't want to take their Heroin analogues or synthetic analogues off the market even when hit with the stats of addiction and accidental deaths.

www.cdc.gov...

Safety... Right...

We have come a long way in such a short while .It wasn't but yesterday that you couldn't even discuss the subject on ATS. Now that this cat is out of the bag and new kittens leaving the nest ,it's only a matter of time before we will find no need for our present Government structures and leave that sad tale behind as well .Can you imagine not having the need for standing army's and rapid response teams to do the Corporations bidding . chching $$$ saved and put towards good use ...

Well obviously they're either being paid off or they have never studied marijuana. How would it cause widespread addiction when it isn't addictive like the pain killers that they have everybody strung out on? Anytime I hear an anti-marijuana person I just shake my head at their inability to either be honest, or to understand how research works. Big pharma knows that marijuana has many uses that are much safer than the poison that they're pushing. That song by Steppenwolf: The Pusher---the pusher is pharma.

Stop buying their stuff, easy.

Learn to look after yourself, exercise? Try Gymastics/Calisthenics, food? Try single ingredient foods and natural stuff. Try growing your own in a small scale.

a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling.

Ignorance is no defence, perhaps it is just lazyness.

a reply to: jajaja

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling

Yes because the internet can teach us how to fix something like a shattered femur with bones poking out of the skin.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: jajaja

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling

Yes because the internet can teach us how to fix something like a shattered femur with bones poking out of the skin.

Well, that's obviously the other extreme, start looking at prevention rather than cure.

Broken bones eh, try Comfry root packed onto it


Whatever shall you do when you have to fend for yourself when SHTF scenario? Isn't it wise to be at least more knowledgable?

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: jajaja

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling

Yes because the internet can teach us how to fix something like a shattered femur with bones poking out of the skin.

No bones poking out of the skin, but this'll do in a pinch (maybe - grin).Painkiller may be necessary ... and I don't think MJ is gonna cut it. LOL

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not surprised in the slightest...but disgusted in the extreme, especially considering that over 15000 people have needlessly died each year from accidental pain killer overdoses, and tens of thousands more from complications arising from their use...not to mention my disgust for these bent lobbyists on the filthy pharma payroll having heavily contributed to the misery of many, many thousands of people who are languishing in prison cells for simple Cannabis related 'crimes'.

The prohibition of Cannabis has ALWAYS been bent, but lately it seems the real actual criminals are losing their grip thankfully and people are waking up to the truth about Cannabis and it's beneficial properties, especially compared against the death and damage that pharmaceuticals do to people every single year.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: jajaja

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling

Yes because the internet can teach us how to fix something like a shattered femur with bones poking out of the skin.

In the absence of immediate professional medical care do you know how to render first aid to such a victim? Would the internet be helpful if such an urgency were to arise? Could you at least handle a nosebleed?

Americans are often taught to be dependent on medical professionals for the least little thing, and there is no assurance that 8-year medical degree will provide you with adequate care even if the problem is fairly simple. Imposed agendas by medical interest groups will often prescribe you treatment that is not in your best health interests.

Our health and well-being is an area we need to be more personally knowledgeable and proactive. Medical professionals should provide us consultation, treatment as we may request or require, and the benefit of well-practiced surgical skills. Ultimately we need to be responsible for the medical care we elect to receive or self-administer.

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling.

Ignorance is no defence, perhaps it is just lazyness.

You should never self-diagnose. There is a reason why doctors go through 8 years of schooling and tons of interning before they are full fledged doctors. Using things like WebMD to diagnose the weird growth on your leg is a bad idea. For one, if you are a hypochondriac then it will just make the inevitable REAL trip to the doctor's that much worse. However you CAN refuse to fill the prescription or demand the doctor fill out a different script if he prescribes with something you don't like, but I would never advocate self diagnoses. That is a recipe for disaster and can cause more harm than good.

originally posted by: jajaja
Whatever shall you do when you have to fend for yourself when SHTF scenario? Isn't it wise to be at least more knowledgable?

There is a difference between knowing first aid and being qualified diagnose and treat broken bones, compression fractures, ligament tears, etc. They taught me first aid in the Army, however they still made me see a doctor when I blew out my ACL and had to have it repaired then attend months of physical therapy.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling.

Ignorance is no defence, perhaps it is just lazyness.

You should never self-diagnose. There is a reason why doctors go through 8 years of schooling and tons of interning before they are full fledged doctors. Using things like WebMD to diagnose the weird growth on your leg is a bad idea. For one, if you are a hypochondriac then it will just make the inevitable REAL trip to the doctor's that much worse. However you CAN refuse to fill the prescription or demand the doctor fill out a different script if he prescribes with something you don't like, but I would never advocate self diagnoses. That is a recipe for disaster and can cause more harm than good.

Correct, you should sit in the doctors office and let him talk and talk and tel you what you need, sign every consent form without even knowing what he is talking about, ofcourse I use doctors, but they work for me, I don't work for them. Every time they suggest something; i say, ok I will read into it, but I never never ever ever make a decision that day. Only a complete idiot would do that and take their word as gospel. They make as many guesses many times as I can. They're not always right. When was the last time you took doctors medication? Me, long long time ago, I am still alive, and healthy and fit. People become "nodding donkeys" when in meetings (even with their doctors) nodding in agreement as if they understand every word they say and agree to it. I always find that laughable.

I have been studying my body and health for half a century, my doctor has seen me perhaps for a total of 3 hours in my lifetime and he/she has studied generalised healthcare for 8 years and potentially after that some narrow subject specialised. Well, I think I am quite experienced in knowing my own health and wellbeing.

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling.

Ignorance is no defence, perhaps it is just lazyness.

You should never self-diagnose. There is a reason why doctors go through 8 years of schooling and tons of interning before they are full fledged doctors. Using things like WebMD to diagnose the weird growth on your leg is a bad idea. For one, if you are a hypochondriac then it will just make the inevitable REAL trip to the doctor's that much worse. However you CAN refuse to fill the prescription or demand the doctor fill out a different script if he prescribes with something you don't like, but I would never advocate self diagnoses. That is a recipe for disaster and can cause more harm than good.

Correct, you should sit in the doctors office and let him talk and talk and tel you what you need, sign every consent form without even knowing what he is talking about, ofcourse I use doctors, but they work for me, I don't work for them.

Where did I suggest to do this in any way? If a doctor gives you a form to look over, you should damn well read it. Signing things without reading them is idiocy and I NEVER suggested to do that.

Every time they suggest something; i say, ok I will read into it, but I never never ever ever make a decision that day. Only a complete idiot would do that and take their word as gospel. They make as many guesses many times as I can. They're not always right. When was the last time you took doctors medication? Me, long long time ago, I am still alive, and healthy and fit.

Last time I took a doctor's medication? When I developed an infection in my eye and the doc prescribed some eyedrop anti-biotics to clear it up. Glad he did, because they are fast acting and I was able to use my eye again fully within a day or two.

As far as doctors making guesses, you ARE correct there, but I'd wager that their guesses are better than any guess you could make. They have access to test results, your medical history, and their medical training. You have the internet and whatever you felt like looking up and informing yourself about (and you may or may not have source checked that information). I'd certainly trust a doctor's guess over your guess any day.

But why are we talking about doctors anyways? They are just doing their job. Sure they make mistakes and sometimes what they do is guesswork and others the best option they have available is to prescribe some pill being pushed by Big Pharma. But that is irrelevant. This thread is about leading academics being in the pocketbook of big pharma while touting an anti-legalization message.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: jajaja

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jajaja

That's easier said than done. Many of the times the poor pill addicts got that way because of their doctor prescribing the pills to them during the recovery phase of some injury. Then they became addicted as their bodies built up a tolerance and the same dosage wasn't working anymore.

Be your own doctor then, we have the internet, start googling.

Ignorance is no defence, perhaps it is just lazyness.

You should never self-diagnose. There is a reason why doctors go through 8 years of schooling and tons of interning before they are full fledged doctors. Using things like WebMD to diagnose the weird growth on your leg is a bad idea. For one, if you are a hypochondriac then it will just make the inevitable REAL trip to the doctor's that much worse. However you CAN refuse to fill the prescription or demand the doctor fill out a different script if he prescribes with something you don't like, but I would never advocate self diagnoses. That is a recipe for disaster and can cause more harm than good.

Correct, you should sit in the doctors office and let him talk and talk and tel you what you need, sign every consent form without even knowing what he is talking about, ofcourse I use doctors, but they work for me, I don't work for them.

Where did I suggest to do this in any way? If a doctor gives you a form to look over, you should damn well read it. Signing things without reading them is idiocy and I NEVER suggested to do that.

Every time they suggest something; i say, ok I will read into it, but I never never ever ever make a decision that day. Only a complete idiot would do that and take their word as gospel. They make as many guesses many times as I can. They're not always right. When was the last time you took doctors medication? Me, long long time ago, I am still alive, and healthy and fit.

Last time I took a doctor's medication? When I developed an infection in my eye and the doc proscribed some eyedrop anti-biotics to clear it up. Glad he did, because they are fast acting and I was able to use my eye again fully within a day or two.

As far as doctors making guesses, you ARE correct there, but I'd wager that their guesses are better than any guess you could make. They have access to test results, your medical history, and their medical training. You have the internet and whatever you felt like looking up and informing yourself about (and you may or may not have source checked that information). I'd certainly trust a doctor's guess over your guess any day.

But why are we talking about doctors anyways? They are just doing their job. Sure they make mistakes and sometimes what they do is guesswork and others the best option they have available is to prescribe some pill being pushed by Big Pharma. But that is irrelevant. This thread is about leading academics being in the pocketbook of big pharma while touting an anti-legalization message.

If I don't understand my own body and health and how to take care of it after 40 years on this planet, I'm frankly, an ignorant feckhead which I am not.

I can probably do far more than most mid twenty year olds of today. I can out run them; I can out flex them, I can out strengh them and I can out smart them and also know more about my body than anybody else. My doctor frankly, knows NOTHING of me except a name in his/her database. He depends on what I tell him, then puts it into his expert system and it says, perscribe this.

The moment I step outside his "educated" comfort zone, all hell breaks lose. Well, outside his/her comfort zone is where I live and live very healthly.

Just because a lot of people are ignorant about their own bodies and health and fitness, doesn't mean we all are.

If I need medical attention, I dial 112 (emergency), because that is the only time I need doctors usually.

Learn to start being responsible for youself, your health, your body, your fitness, your mind, unless you just want to be a drone vegitable depending on others all the time. Learn about yourself., before it's too late.


Where do you wana be when you're 70, 80 ? In a home, in a wheelchair, dependant on home help? Not me unless I really feck it up, google 70 year old bodybuilder, you can be them or you can be, well, something else.

Plenty of ways to exercise, gymnstics, yoga, calisthenics, lifting et al.
Plenty of ways to eat healithly, single ingredient unprocessed foods, learn to cook / prepare food for gawds sakes.

a reply to: jajaja

Whatever. If you say so. I'm still not sure why you are trying to pick doctors out as some sort of bad guys. Like I said, they are just trying to do their jobs, which is to save lives. And they do that with the tools they have available. The enemies are Big Pharm pushing poisons to the doctors in lieu of real testing. Oh and keep in mind, even the healthiest people fall sick to things they cannot cure themselves, so I'd drop the arrogant attitude you have towards taking care of yourself.

By the time I'm 70, I'd like to be dead because I don't want to be so old and decrepit that I have to rely on someone to get around and do things. I don't care what health I'm in at that point either. By the way, I don't go to many doctors. Seriously, stop demonizing doctors. They do more work than you ever could to help people.