‘Forced’ to fight: Disillusioned British ISIS Fighters Afraid to Come Home

a reply to: blupblup

yes, as I posted... they were fighting against Assad because he allowed freedom...

rule the Syrian Muslim people who live under the umbrella of the secular regime that supports and protects the principles of tolerance, and guarantees the freedom of thinking and embracing whatever belief the people choose. Such a freedom was the main reason that made the other non-Muslim sects of the Syrian people able to step forward and have a rank and a good contribution in the Syrian life, and also share the wealth with the Muslims on their own land.

It is time for us to come back and force all the other non-Muslim sects to shrink and step back. These sects are the infidel Christians, the criminal Alawites and the infidel Druzes.

They knew exactly why they went... they went because they opposed freedom. They killed anyone who opposed them. Gruesomely.

Ahhh I see... this is some kind of "Holy War" thread where the Christians are sticking together and starring even the most off topic and retarded posts.


Gotcha... now I know




And there was me discussing the topic...

*rolls eyes*

I think that they should lose their citizen ship.

Who would want them back in England or for that matter in any western country.

They may be disillusioned but I think the west needs to not allow seasoned radical fighters back.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: blupblup

yes, as I posted... they were fighting against Assad because he allowed freedom...

Source your quotes or not.
OK now I gotcha double... Assad is a GOOD guy, I see... he's a peaceful, tolerant chap who's just misunderstood.

a reply to: blupblup

Germany has had at least 2,000 go and join, UK has at least 500 last I heard, probably more now, US has between 2-5 hundred people gone and joined up...

at last count, from western countries there are about 12 - 18 THOUSAND who are fighting right now with either Al-Qaeda or ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

It's more than a couple people... its more than a small difficulty. Its a few hundred to a couple thousand terrorists that have been executing people for having a different faith, wanting at some point to possibly re-enter the countries they came from.

Gonna have to face that, because I'm not planning on allowing any of them to be MY neighbor.

originally posted by: blupblup

Yeah but many of these guys went out to fight against Assad and help their fellow Muslims... it was not as it is now.

It was EXACTLY as it is now.

These are not the starry-eyed kids they are being painted to be. The reason the "revolt" against Assad was ignited to begin with is because Syria, contrary to popular belief, had a high degree of religious freedom, the Muslim Brotherhood did not like that and fought against Assad, whereupon the organization was banned in Syria.

When the MB was banned, they ignited a revolt. The purpose of that was to destroy religious freedom in favor of Islamic "fundamentalism", a fundamentalism directed by - you guessed it - the Muslim Brotherhood.

It was NOT a "uprising for freedom" -it was an uprising AGAINST freedom, and every breathing soul that went over there to fight against the Syrian government KNEW that, right up front. They KNEW they were fighting to promote Islamic "fundamentalism", and worse, fighting to spread it. This battle was never about Syria nor Assad - those were just bumps in the road to be overrun by the radicals on their journey to spread wahabbism.

Now we are seeing that spread, and people outside that loop are saying "Huh? What? How did THIS happen?"

The people who went to fight for it know exactly how and why that happened - they went to fight for that very thing.

Now they want to "come home", and they want to spread the cancer HERE, and they want you to believe they "just made a mistake", so that they can accomplish that goal.

No.

Upon getting there and fighting for a bit, perhaps some wanted to come home but when faced with a unit of ISIS and hearing stories of how they are killing defectors and so on, I'm sure many were forced to stay and are caught up in some serious s*** that they never intended.

Boo-frakkin'-hoo.

You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

They lay down with the dogs on purpose, and now they want to give you and I the fleas.

No.

I know everyone says "they made their bed" etc etc... but it sucks that these guys now have nowhere to go and will end up doing some seriously awful things and probably end up dead... all because they were doing what was morally right in their minds, helping their fellow Muslims.

And there is the key - "they wanted to help their fellow Muslims". They knew then that they would be fighting and killing everyone who was NOT their "fellow Muslims", including other Muslims not classed as "their fellows". That right there specifies WHY they went - it wasn't for Islam, it was for wahabbism, and it's spread.

I saw something recently which made a comparison between many young Brits going out to fight Franco in Spain during civil war and the guys who went out to fight Assad.

The only possible comparison is that they were both fighting in favor of a form of totalitarianism. neither is exactly "hero" material.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: blupblup

Germany has had at least 2,000 go and join, UK has at least 500 last I heard, probably more now, US has between 2-5 hundred people gone and joined up...

at last count, from western countries there are about 12 - 18 THOUSAND who are fighting right now with either Al-Qaeda or ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

It's more than a couple people... its more than a small difficulty. Its a few hundred to a couple thousand terrorists that have been executing people for having a different faith, wanting at some point to possibly re-enter the countries they came from.

Gonna have to face that, because I'm not planning on allowing any of them to be MY neighbor.

Spot on

Regards

PDUK

a reply to: OpinionatedB
and those are only the ones that joined, I wonder who exactly is indoctrinating these people, I think I know, I believe there are terrorist cells in all our countries, it has been known for years, but ignored.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

We know there are ISIS cells here right now recruiting. Same with Al-Qaeda. They take the teachings of the extremist teachers, and teach it as if it were representative of Islam.

They cast a wide net, and look for the most vulnerable. Those most likely to follow these teachings. They hit up prisons, ex-cons, gang members, anyone who feels disenfranchised from the rest of society - and they start the process of indoctrination and brainwashing.

I do think they are very careful - they don't break laws. And they don't get caught doing anything that could shut them down by law. When they begin to say things that could be classified as "hate speech" they say it privately between mentor and new prospect. In this way, it is never open. It's a matter of the deeper someone goes, the more they learn, but by then they are less apt to turn away because of it.

It's a slow process - but if they know the psychology involved, which they do appear to know, it can be done very effectively... that is how they are getting so many fighters from the west.

The government is right on one thing, so long as they aren't breaking laws, really all you can do is watch them.

originally posted by: Astyanax

There is no death penalty in Europe. Are you proposing that one be introduced just for these people?

If you let them get back to Europe, you're doing it wrong. They chose the battlefield, which frequently comes with a death rider, so send 'em to paradise from where they stand right now.

Why are you tarnishing your own religion by confirming the popular Western prejudice all Muslims are bloodthirsty scoundrels?

I'm NOT a muslim, but by your definition I AM a "bloodthirsty scoundrel" - when it comes down to "them" or "me", I vote it be "them" sent on to the promised land first. After all, someone needs to pave the road and fluff my pillows when it's my turn to ride... and in the meantime, I prefer my progeny to outlive me, in relative safety. that involves NOT allowing the other "murderous scoundrels" to live long enough to get to mine.

What you're really saying is, 'As an individual, I want revenge on these people, and I am dragging my religion through filth to justify my own thirst for blood.'

What "revenge"? I don't know of anything that ISIS has done to OB that would allow for any "revenge".

Speak for yourself, mate. You don't speak for Muslims, or for anybody else.

Kind of a "catch-22" there.

When Muslims don't speak out against these shenanigans, they get accused of being complicit. When they DO, they are marginalized for doing so. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

... and on it goes.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: nenothtu

The question is not whether IS is or is not a nation.

The question is not whether or not international law applies, or the Geneva convention.

It is a question of (1) humanity and (2) citizen's rights.

1) Whose humanity? Theirs or their victims'?

2) Which citizens' rights? The countries they betrayed, or the "nation" the joined to promote, create, and spread? I don't know how they do it in Europe, but as I said, in the US one can lose their citizenship for betraying the country and swearing allegiance to a foreign power. Maybe they don't do it that way in Europe...

... and maybe that's why so many European countries have a "Muslim problem".

a reply to: nenothtu

You can get worked up all you want and there is always more to a person than an internet handle. Problem is you judged me just like I imagine you have spent your life judging people and putting the atrocities to one side — both our nations have committed just as worse in war — the last best chance we have to deal with the problem is finding enough common ground to talk, understand and find a mutually beneficial path forward. Closed-minded individuals like yourself who insist on emotions getting the better of them need not apply to efforts in finding a solution.

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‘Forced’ to fight: Disillusioned British ISIS Fighters Afraid to Come Home

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