Did Jesus say anything about gay folk?.

I just want to know where the "preacher" with the dove and fig avatar is??? This is right up his "alley" (pun-intended)

I find it wrong that people can still hate other people. Faith, Love, and Hard work. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think so.

But Dove and Figs likes to post his religious beliefs on this forum and judge others. And not just him, though he post more than others, but as its been stated, the other 85% brainwashed individuals. A purge is need for all, and then the strong will sort out the rest and their kids will be the Future the Earth Needs and Love Grows.

One Love.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: Aedaeum
You see what I mean about the language in some of these discussions changing? It's all about getting on and having a laugh over a cup of tea.

I couldn't agree more, even though we don't often agree on much

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: DarknStormy

That's a really terrible reply.

Animals, like humans according to the bible are God's creation. Apparently everything on earth was perfect until man committed his first sin. Animals are relevant because they were made by him, just like us.

Yes they are relevant and I spent a fair bit of my childhood on my families farm also, my parents and my grandparents own racing horses and your typical farm animals..

God only cursed man according to genesis. i.e. animals were left the way he made them. Gay and all.

PS I grew up on a farm and I have yet to see an animal eat its own faeces.

I have seen dogs do it... But it's only an example of many..

a reply to: DarknStormy

So..... dung eating habits aside;

Animals don't sin, they are the way God intended them to be, yet some of them are gay......

Interesting conundrum is it not?

a reply to: SirKonstantin

It's not about hating the person, but more about hating the action.. I said this in another thread and I may as well say it here again.. If my daughter was to come home and tell me she was a Lesbian, I would not disown her, boot her out of home like some sadistic pricks do.. But I would let her know that I do not agree with her actions whilst telling her that I will never stop loving her at the same time..

Now my view doesn't even come from religion, it's just me and I was the same before I even contemplated reading a religious book. I'm not a Homosexual and I feel I have the right to disagree with it just like Homosexuals have the right to disagree with the doctrine of Christianity... People just need to meet on mutual ground and get over themselves, If God is real, then we are probably all in sh*t anyway but that's his problem, he will sort us out.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: flammadraco

A Eunuch is someone who wasn't born with or has had their sexual organs removed... What does it have to do with Homosexuality?

Read my post again about Eunuch's, I believe I've answered your opinion about NOT all Eunuchs being castrated. Its is not possible to be born with no sex organs of either sex and a such a Eunuch in biblical times revered to a effeminate male looking after female court members. When Jesus says "and some are born that way" he is referring to gay people as you cannot be born castrated. Being exposed to the consorts of the king, they would have likely been castrated. Perhaps this was the word they used for gay back in biblical times, who knows.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: DarknStormy

So..... dung eating habits aside;

Animals don't sin, they are the way God intended them to be, yet some of them are gay......

Interesting conundrum is it not?

We are the protectors of Animals and each other... We need to be pulled up on certain things because they do more damage than good in some cases. Is Homosexuality one of those damaging things in some way? I don't know and I hope it isn't. I can think of issues that are much worse and are right now affecting humans more than the Homosexual debate.. Too be honest this is on the lower side of my care factor rating.. I chimed in to show that Homosexuality is mentioned in the New Testament and not just the Old Testament.

a reply to: DarknStormy

If it were an important thing in the new testament, surely it would have been more specific though?

originally posted by: flammadraco

Read my post again about Eunuch's, I believe I've answered your opinion about NOT all Eunuchs being castrated. Its is not possible to be born with no sex organs of either sex and a such a Eunuch in biblical times revered to a effeminate male looking after female court members. When Jesus says "and some are born that way" he is referring to gay people as you cannot be born castrated. Being exposed to the consorts of the king, they would have likely been castrated. Perhaps this was the word they used for gay back in biblical times, who knows.

Umm yes it is possible though it is very rare...

EXCLUSI VE: The girl with no vagina: Teenager can't have sex or babies due to rare condition that left her without reproductive organs (and she didn't find out until she was 17)

a reply to: DarknStormy

Well, the animal kingdom does just fine, gay penguins, lesbian cows and all. Homosexual behaviour is just part of the kaleidoscope of life in their realm. The most damaging thing to them is us humans and our desires to control them / destroy their habitat and make it our own.

Something to think about really.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: borntowatch

But the old testament says eating pork and shellfish are also a sin.
Do you believe in those laws of god also?.
Why cherry pick?.

Go read my post again, what was difficult, I will try and elaborate.

I eat pork, I eat crabs, all food. I can work on a sunday and can use broken dishes to eat my food from.
The ritual is not necessary, I dont wait for sundays to worship God.
I can enjoy the pagan festival of Christmas, halloween or whatever.

Its not about ritual, its about what I do to myself. I cant lie, use porn, cant steal, cant commit a sin that violates myself or others.
Christ came to end religion. Religious laws, rituals are now not for Christians. Ritual laws, sin are not ritual laws.

I cant explain it any more simpler.

Ritual laws are no more in effect, the sin (moral) laws still stand


Universal moral obligations from the Mosaic Law are repeated in the New Testament. The things that no longer apply to us are not repeated in the New Testament. It’s exactly like being in a separate state. www.str.org...

So you are a bloody hypocrite! Finally, an honest religious zealot.

"God says you cant be gay wa wa wa"
"I didn't say I should not be gay, just.. god wont like it, but I put peen in my bum!" - replace with eat crabs if you want, YOUR god says the same thing.

your god..

your god..

I despise your god.. he infects ignorance into weak minds.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: SirKonstantin

I'm not a Homosexual and I feel I have the right to disagree with it just like Homosexuals.

Well as a TRUE Christian, you don't have any right to disagree with homosexuality, there is more scripture regarding judgeing others in the New Testament than condoning homosexuals.

For example:

Matthew 7:1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37 ESV

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

James 4:11-12

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Matthew 7:1

“Judge not, that you be not judged.

Romans 2:1-3

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Matthew 7:1-2

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgement you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

Matthew 7:2

For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

1 John 4:1 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

John 3:17

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Romans 16:17-18

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

1 Corinthians 2:15

The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

James 4:11

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

I wont add any more as I believe you get my point but there are 26 passages in the bible that forbid Christians "judging Others" and yet here we are today in 2014 with the likes of some Christian's such as Westborro Church etc doing just this. 26 Passages against judgement of your fellow man, how many against homosexuality?

a reply to: DarknStormy

Now find a male equivalent and remember there were a number of Eunuchs back in biblical times and far fewer people on the planet than there is now, so please do find me some evidence to support your claim that males have been born castrated.

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: DarknStormy

If it were an important thing in the new testament, surely it would have been more specific though?

I was surprised that Homosexuality isn't spoken about more in the Bible since it's a major issue with hardcore Christians etc. But in a couple of cases it is mentioned next to other Sins, transgressions or what ever they are called so it is condemned in some parts.. But like I said before, if Homosexuality was acceptable, I would expect to see at least one reference in the Bible clearly confirming that and it doesn't.. All we can do is add our own commentary to verses which may be speaking about it but even then we are most likely wrong. I am likely wrong and don't think I am 100% sure of myself either.

a reply to: flammadraco

A few of them verses are promoting Judgement through the Biblical teachings...

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: flammadraco

A few of them verses are promoting Judgement through the Biblical teachings...

So I take it then you could be classed as a "Cafeteria Christian" and only taking parts from your the bible that suits you?

"It all makes sense now. Gay marriage and marijuana are being legalized at the same time.

Leviticus 20:13 says if a man lays with another man, he should be stoned.



We were just misinterpreting it."

a reply to: DarknStormy

That's where we are tripping ourselves up - we think we can add to or properly interpret what was written all that time ago.

We're best just to be nice to each other, assuming the other isn't actually causing harm. Nobody is saying we all have to be best friends with each other. Heck, I can think of a thousand other reasons why I don't care to know someone other than who they love and enjoy sex with and yet strangely they aren't as so often discussed.

I think some people are actually fascinated by homosexuality. If they can't or won't understand it, they will find a way to reconcile their distaste.

Religion is an excellent way of doing that, but those who try that tack don't count of everyone else's counter - love.

originally posted by: Things
"It all makes sense now. Gay marriage and marijuana are being legalized at the same time.

Leviticus 20:13 says if a man lays with another man, he should be stoned.



We were just misinterpreting it."

Yay!!
2nd Line

Come on guys, I can stick a wedge in this bickering with one verse:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Emphasis added by me