Did Jesus say anything about gay folk?.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
none of this slavery crap (Still waiting for links to that also)

Slavery in the Bible

I brought that other stuff into the conversation because it is important. In my opinion those are some of the things that show that Yahweh (God) was created in the image of man, and is not an all powerful, infallible creator etc. So his stance on homosexuality is irrelevant and talking about it today like it is, only holds humanity back. Did Jesus say anything about homosexuals? Who cares?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

I brought that other stuff into the conversation because it is important. In my opinion those are some of the things that show that Yahweh (God) was created in the image of man, and is not an all powerful, infallible creator etc. So his stance on homosexuality is irrelevant and talking about it today like it is, only holds humanity back. Did Jesus say anything about homosexuals? Who cares?

OK, so why did you bother commenting in the thread then? The OP is asking if Jesus did say anything about Homosexuals, isn't it?

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: DarknStormy
You do know that Paul clearly states he is not speaking for God but his own beliefs on how certain things should be right?

I have used the words of Jesus in my later posts regardless of Paul and his thoughts.

a reply to: windword

Know whats funny about your United Nations human rights? It was created by some of the most brutal mass murderers of the 20th century who's armies raped Millions of woman and children across Europe. The funny thing about it is your country found a way to justify it and fight along side it back then... That was only about 70 years ago btw.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

I brought that other stuff into the conversation because it is important. In my opinion those are some of the things that show that Yahweh (God) was created in the image of man, and is not an all powerful, infallible creator etc. So his stance on homosexuality is irrelevant and talking about it today like it is, only holds humanity back. Did Jesus say anything about homosexuals? Who cares?

OK, so why did you bother commenting in the thread then? The OP is asking if Jesus did say anything about Homosexuals, isn't it?

I love retarded comments like this. First of all, I feel I am on topic. I have merely expanded beyond simple yes or no answers. Like many in this thread have, including yourself. Secondly, let he who has never posted an off topic comment in a thread online post the first "you're off topic" comment!

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

I brought that other stuff into the conversation because it is important. In my opinion those are some of the things that show that Yahweh (God) was created in the image of man, and is not an all powerful, infallible creator etc. So his stance on homosexuality is irrelevant and talking about it today like it is, only holds humanity back. Did Jesus say anything about homosexuals? Who cares?

OK, so why did you bother commenting in the thread then? The OP is asking if Jesus did say anything about Homosexuals, isn't it?

I'm think I'm following what WakeUpBeer is on about - people are saying the bible should be taken into context for Jesus' words on anything he is recorded to have said, similar to me saying that the the culture of the time, of who the people were also should be taken into account for context.

That' the conclusion I came to, anyway, before realising that the question itself was only relevant in proving the point to those among us who believe they follow Jesus' teachings that they ought to rethink how they came to their negative view on the subject.

Many contributors to this thread excluded, obviously, because I've read the posts and not only do they makes sense, but there's a genuine display of compassion, logic and reason in the words.

a reply to: DarknStormy

That was only about 70 years ago btw.

A time when things were shaking and breaking, including the shackles of religious superstition and ignorance. The Atom Bomb was dropped and the world will never be the same. The genii is out of the bottle. We can't go back, the bridge is out. We can only move forward from here.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

I love retarded comments like this. First of all, I feel I am on topic. I have merely expanded beyond simple yes or no answers. Like many in this thread have, including yourself. Secondly, let he who has never posted an off topic comment in a thread online post the first "you're off topic" comment!

Dude, I don't care whether you think Yahweh is the almighty or not, I don't care whether you call me retarded or source a retarded link that really doesn't do the Slavery case any justice in the first place, Rational Wiki? What the hell is that? Show where Jesus spoke about and permitted Homosexuality for the followers of Christianity?

a reply to: DarknStormy

What authority do they have to begin with?

You are trying to oppress another, using fairy tales, for your own glory. It really is tasteless. Almost as tasteless as the actions described here.

Leave them alone. They did nothing to you, or others. Do you want them to judge your bedroom habits? Maybe certain positions are offensive to those that do not practice heterosexual activity.

Get over it. King David and Jonathan were probably gay lovers. Besides, do you have to be gay, in order to be raptured?

originally posted by: windword

A time when things were shaking and breaking, including the shackles of religious superstition and ignorance. The Atom Bomb was dropped and the world will never be the same. The genii is out of the bottle. We can't go back, the bridge is out. We can only move forward from here.

Yeah, we moved what was happening in Europe to the Middle East, well done... Should be proud.

a reply to: Not Authorized

Raptured? lol, OK.

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: DarknStormy

What authority do they have to begin with?

You are trying to oppress another, using fairy tales, for your own glory. It really is tasteless. Almost as tasteless as the actions described here.

Leave them alone. They did nothing to you, or others. Do you want them to judge your bedroom habits? Maybe certain positions are offensive to those that do not practice heterosexual activity.

Get over it. King David and Jonathan were probably gay lovers. Besides, do you have to be gay, in order to be raptured?

Your links are laughable..

a reply to: DarknStormy

I know. I still giggle at it, every time I read that link. It is so true too. John the "beloved", might hit a bit to close to home here too.

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: DarknStormy

I know. I still giggle at it, every time I read that link. It is so true too. John the "beloved", might hit a bit to close to home here too.

Yep, and Jude says this :

As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.. Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.. 1:7-8

a reply to: DarknStormy

And your opinion, is without factual authority or backing.

You're fast. You read, and refuted all the links and referenced sources on this page alone in 90 seconds. That process took me months to verify it, before I walked away from such a dark death cult, centered on oppression and hatred of humanity.

Don't fret. I'm not talking to you, I'm empowering those you wish to oppress with detailed knowledge of the scams history. Exposing your confidence trick. It has always been a fairy tale. You quote meaningless, fictional words, devoid of compassion, for your own glory. Certainly not God's. You offer no retort, except self confessed ignorance and glaring close mindedness.

Hard to preach from a position of authority, when history says otherwise.

You'll probably have a problem with that, trying to convince me it is true.

Edit, you may have problems with that monotheism and inerrancy claim with me as well.

a reply to: Not Authorized

Yep.. I have listened to him on radio

Joseph Atwill is not a Biblical Scholar

Caesar's Messiah

In reality, Atwill, who has no credentials in biblical scholarship whatsoever, is just rehashing his long-refuted claims from his 2005 book “Caesar’s Messiah” alongside a screening of his “documentary.”

Attendees will also be able to listen to Kenneth Humphreys, a man who claims Jesus never existed. Keep in mind, even critics of Christianity like Bart Ehrman (hardly a sympathetic individual) say that no serious historians say that Jesus did not exist.

The fact that an individual holding to such an idea on the extreme fringe is hardly surprising given that Atwill himself is even more fringe than those who claim Jesus never existed.

Atwill’s claims have been rejected by people who are not the types to side with Christians out of some sense of loyalty or to support the traditional orthodox view of the faith.

Among these are Robert Price in his review of the 2005 book and Tom Verenna in his updated post that is far from charitable in dealing with Atwill’s claims.

Christians have, of course, also thoroughly debunked Atwill’s claims, though few biblical scholars have apparently found his ideas worth even devoting time to.

Uh huh. Because all the confidence trick artists, won't come flying out of the woodwork to defend the myth. It pays the bills. Omega watches are expensive.

It's over. The internet is exposing that fable, and early Jewish polytheism to boot. As the old guard dies off, and the new becomes bolder as such statements would no longer end careers arbitrarily, more information will come out. It has already started.

Besides, Give me 1000 years, a few inquisitions, and, I can "prove" Hogwarts and Voldemort is real too using just Harry Potter.

a reply to: Not Authorized

Well, I actually agree with some of what he is talking about.. Though I do not agree that Jesus was never here I do feel the Roman Empire used a fabricated version of Christianity to their advantage to control the masses. it's pretty clear to see that Christianity is riddled with Paganism.. That is why I enjoy Islam, because there in no Harry Potter and everything makes sense apart from the idiots running around with a fabricated ideology right now.

a reply to: DarknStormy

Another religion, where treat thy neighbor as thyself, is used to oppress another.

You can worship whoever, or, whatever you want. You can even live by the codes written in those stories, on a personal level. But, your rights end where anothers begin.

It is that simple. If you cared for your Christ at all, you know love God, and thy neighbor as thyself, hinge all the law and the prophets.

It you were gay, would you appreciate such treatment? Yes, or no?

a reply to: Not Authorized

Look, why are you trying to show me how it would feel to be Gay? I was not born gay and I have no plans of converting to homosexuality. This fight is not mine and as much as I do disagree with Homosexuality I am in no position to tell others how to live their lives. If they enter into my life and I have an issue with it then it's my problem but because this has never happened and most likely never will I couldn't care less.

If you don't like the teachings of the Bible, The Qu'ran, Even the Nazi's, that is your choice but don't sit here mocking another person's religious belief's because the do not fit your own. There is both Good and Bad in religion just like there is Good and bad in the World and not all the Bad is religiously motivated..

So regardless of whether Constantine fabricated the Bible or Solomon was really a duck billed platypus, if people followed the teachings they would be decent people and not this we like this part and not this part, the entire Book.. If it was a Psy-Op, so be it, but I tend to see religious people a nice people at heart and it doesn't matter which religion they come from.