Koran 72 virgins or the day of judgement? You decide

God is a figment of our collective imagination regardless of who or how one worships, regardless of what religion is practiced.

If there were a God, He/She/It would have smote us all long ago, and because we have Gods to pin the blame onto when we inadvertently smite ourselves and each other by our own actions, we collectively blame an fictitious character.

It would seem God is actually a corporation which is limited in liability and eternally in control of the resources people need to live.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I see you've waited patiently for an answer pal...

Basically the Angels were made from Light...
The Jinn were made from Fire...

Both were subject to do the will of God, with the slight exception that the Jinn had free will also...

Iblis(Satan) disobeyed God and this taught us that he was not a Fallen Angel, but a Jinn with the capability of free will...



They could be Greys or Archons...
But not necessarily all Archons & Greys are Jinn...

Similar to a Demon, they can be good or bad...
Depending on which path they take...

They can also take many forms such as Humans or other creatures...
Whatever benefits them the most....


A pact with a Jinn is like a deal with the Devil if you've ever seen Wishmaster...
Or Faust...

It's for your eternal soul...
Now it comes to interpretation...
Not necessarily does your soul become the Jinns property, it will still go back to Allah on the Day of Judgement...
It will all depend on if you've been righteous enough for God to show mercy!!!


Sorry if it seemed I was digressing but it's difficult to explain in one paragraph!!!


Peace cav!!!

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: sacgamer25

I see what your saying, but I will not accept that. The fact that Jesus died for our sins does not save us. We need to believe it to be saved.

Show me where your prophets said, "BELIEVE on Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. He is in union with the Father and the Holy Spirit, but they are 3 different beings.

Jesus himself says he is not God. When he says none are good except the father what do you think this means?

Jesus is a created being, and although he is the perfect Spirit, he realized that he was created by God to be perfect. So could he claim to be anything?

What are any of us? We are all created, so none of us should think higher of ourselves.

The father is everything, the son is created in the image of the father to do the fathers Will.

John 14:16
26 But the Advocate, the HOLY SPIRIT, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

1 John 2:27

the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.You can see that although

Jesus is the light in Genesis, the light is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Holy Spirit, The High Priest, the one sent by God to teach the world, both in flesh and now in Spirit.

There is no trinity, God the father is one. Jesus Christ is 2 both flesh and spirit. He is both Jesus and the Christ. The Christ is the Holy Spirit.

The trinity was invented by men who said give me 10% of your income and I will teach you salvation. These same men killed everyone who refused their religion, and claimed the sole authority on earth to do such things.

Luke 12:10
everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

None of the profits teach against Jesus Christ. The Koran calls Jesus Christ Messiah. Your right none of the other sacred texts mentioned Jesus Christ by the name Jesus. But the attributes of God's son can be found in all the texts.

Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit and he can be found in all the religious texts. EN"LIGHT"ENMENTcan be found in any of the texts. Jesus is the light to enlightenment. And Enlightenment comes from within.

One need never read any book, one could even be illiterate. All one needs to do is contemplate why we are here and listen to the loving force that guides us from within. Then they will find the light who is Jesus Christ. Seek and you will find. Not seek perfectly and you will find. Simply seek.

a reply to: babloyi

You don't put your interpretations in brackets, you put it down below and that is somehow different than what I did?

That is a very confusing observation, I didn't know explanations below were more appropriate or somehow better than brackets?

a reply to: Not Authorized

This passage is in reference to men with no understanding. In every sacred text we are taught that an immortal spirit lies within the mortal flesh.

When the bible refers to man as GOD'S this doesn't imply equality to the one God. What it refers to is the immortality of the Spirit within. Death is an illusion, the passing away of the flesh a phase, we are all immortal, thus we are all God's.

All of these statements say the same thing.
We are men with no understanding.
We are God's with no understanding.
We are immortal with no understanding.

a reply to: sacgamer25

I could have sworn you were a Trinitarian... has that recently changed or was I wrong

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Then as Christianity has its Satanic occult groups are there such in ISLAM?

a reply to: Akragon

I never really worried about the trinity and I don't think the trinity, even though I don't agree with it has kept anyone in the dark.

If Jesus is the perfect reflection of God in physical form, and the Holy Spirit is the perfect reflection of God's love that lives within us, and God is the father of everything, what does it matter what you think about the relationship of the three.

The real message is the love, unity, and truth that comes from within. We all know love, simply because love lives in us and this love is the love of God for us. Once you realize this, there is nothing left to pursue but love.

Why does the world need all the books about the Holy Spirit to be seen as one? Because until we stop fighting to be right we will never learn to love our brothers, and their is only one God.

You are my brother wether you call me so or not, but I know you are my brother, that was meant for others who still think right is better that righteous.

a reply to: sacgamer25
Hey sac!
What do you mean? Which part is my interpretation underneath?
I didn't actually use any official translation, I just tried my best posting a readable format of a word-by-word translation. Therefore, I did use a couple brackets to put it in context, but only because I felt it wouldn't be understood otherwise (for example "(And this will be) A reward for what they did" as opposed to just "A reward for what they did" being the entire sentence).
My translation of "hourin-ainun" is not really an interpretation either, just a literal translation. Hey-Wuw-Rey (usually ended with a -in in this context) is usually translated as "Fair ones" (some even interpret it as being translucent), and Ain-Yey-Nun (usually ending with -in in this context as well) is an adjective meaning "with big eyes".

Sorry for that unsolicited over-explanation, I just didn't know what you meant. Admittedly, everything except for the quoted verses and the translation is my interpretation (except the last part comparing a corporeal vs physical heaven, which is my opinion), but I'd like to think it isn't a very outlandish one, and it flows logically from reading the text.
What part did you take issue with? As I said in my initial post, I agree with your premise (and the content of the verses you quoted) that the idea of getting 72 virgins in heaven is definitely not in the Quran, and its foundation in the supporting Hadith texts is universally understood (among muslims) to be weak.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I will not disclose them to someone who will not acknowledge that Jesus died for our sins, as the knowledge that I have been entrusted with will not benefit the non-believer.

Wow.
So, you're that special? SOOOoo special that you alone have the answers, and you REFUSE to give them to anyone who doesn't answer the question correctly (did Jesus die for our sins)? The Islamic State asks the question and if you get it wrong (according to them) they slice your head off. Even if you get it right, they might.

How generous, kind and compassionate! What a jewel of a human being!!

Not.



YOU were not entrusted ANYTHING that every living human being is not also entitled to, whether they ever heard about your Christ or not.
YOU are part of the problem if you think you are that in-the-know....
don't count on being a shoo-in - I don't believe your rabid faith will please your Christ AT ALL.

Pride goeth before a fall, dude. 'Member that part?
Your sin-speak judgmentalism is really, really ugly, uncompeling, and wrong.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Then as Christianity has its Satanic occult groups are there such in ISLAM?

Yes, the Jews gave birth to the evil Talmud and Magic, Kabbalah

The Catholics gave birth to the Satan that has power over the whole earth and has a host of demons all which are stronger than man.

The Muslims have the evil Hadith.

The Talmud and Hadith read like KKK material. They are from the points of view of extreme Zionism where it is actually permissible to treat non believers anyway you choose because they are slave sinners.

The Kabbalah, magic goes nicely with a Satan that has power and a host of demons to worship.

None of this is real and none of it from God. Anyone who believes any of these lies should be checked into a mental hospital.

But men with power continue to believe these lies and we are at war everyday because of there insane beliefs.

a reply to: babloyi

I was not understanding the point you were trying to make with the comment but I can see I was in error. Thanks for the explication.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Thank you for answering that.

Jinn are not my area of expertise. I understand that their influence can be looked at much the same as the Catholic Satan but they are not considered inherently evil since they are God's creation.

a reply to: Logarock

The Father and Son are linked. The Father is time. The Son is the image of him while He is inside time. Here, and here, is a visualization if you do not understand.

Did you see what shape was in that second link? I noticed it.

YHWH is not The Father. YHWH is Enlil. He's been deleted, and is now unable to restrict the truth by the way.

The Pipe Dream are those who think they love each other, but do not, and somehow will not be the goats at the same time. Jesus didn't come for them nor, did he imply that those like that were saved by his finished work. Lawlessness is replacing his law of love, for oppression. Those laws are linked elsewhere in this thread and another. The Golden Rule, in shorter terminology.

Jesus will not judge people the way you think. But how his alleged house, treated others without love. The Sheep, are those oppressed by the oppressors. Not the ignorant of course. The goats are the walking dead, who not only know the truth, but use it for their own glory and against humanity. Those who follow the father of lies instead of a God of love.

*flap flap* *wink wink* *Uncaps His Sharpie*

a reply to: sacgamer25 The men who fall for this scam are idiots, may the 500 lb. bomb send them first class to the place they deserve.

a reply to: sacgamer25

If you ask any Christian authorities " Do we have the same God as Islam has " the answer is NO.

Who's to say they're 72 female virgins?

a reply to: dollukka

That is so funny. Does anyone, I mean anyone form any religion believe the simplest truth of all.

There is only ONE GOD. Since their is only ONE GOD he is the God of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and everyone else.

The argument is about which book tells the truth. Religions are more concerned with ritual than the spiritual message.

Do you think on the day of judgment you can say but God I preformed the right ritual? Or do you think he will be more concerned about wether you followed the Spirit of your religion?

The Spirit from all the sacred texts is the same Holy Spirit. All the sacred texts teach to follow the Holy Spirit within you.

All of the prophets followed the same God. They all followed the Holy Spirit within themselves, which is why their words have remained.

You can believe in salvation through ritual or you can believe in the perfect and unifying Holy Spirit that all the prophets believe in.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Correct. Now go further. Are Christ and the Father one? And, are believers one with him? Flip it. What would happen if the "gods" did what the Most High said? Would they walk around in darkness, and die like mere morals still?

a reply to: Akragon

Someone force changed some variables recently. They are propagating nicely. :-)