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That's cool, but we all know we're controlled by some alpha group, and right now in the UK & US it is our respective governments. Governments write laws, and those laws can be compared without having been to either country.
originally posted by: Eyemin
a reply to: grainofsand
Mud slinging might have been a bit much. No...comparisons are a great way to be able to get try to get a sense of understandings. But they are still someones opinions of an opinionated topic.
How can you formulate an honest perspective of one thing or another without experiencing it?
I will neither recognise, comply or talk to a US official in my country, I would ignore them completely and speak only to whichever UK official is in charge. I would comply to arrest by a UK official, but will physically defend myself as I would any other attacker if any US official tried to make the arrest. I wouldn't even care about any beating afterwards, no US official is going to touch me on UK territory without a fight.
I will add that I have no problem with the FBI patrolling the International zone of Heathrow, or any other airport, if it helps protect the US or UK, but after clearing customs...nah they become simple 'observers' at that point, with zero authority I will ever recognise over any UK citizen. I will only answer questions/comply/engage with UK 'officials' while on UK territory.
originally posted by: grainofsand
Interested in all thoughts, but if 'freedom' is ultimately enforced by the police then my original sentiments still stand...I prefer my 'freedom' in the UK.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well, one could argue that the UK has been more of a surveillance state than the UK (more cameras ect) for a far longer period of time than the US.
Also, if I am not mistaken, there are certain laws in the UK about using racist language? It's odd, because some things I see on British TV would not be allowed on US broadcast TV, and some things on broadcast US TV would not be allowed on UK airwaves.
Interesting thread!
originally posted by: grainofsand
Posted today on ATS:
SC police beat man in Walmart as horrified shoppers beg officers to stop
...anyone remember the last time a UK cop was filmed doing that?
Is it that we are so poor we don't own many mobile phones so it never gets online?, or maybe the UK govt censors the net so well that nobody sees it?, perhaps UK police break the phones of anyone who records such stuff? ...or is it because it doesn't really happen that much in the UK?
Interested in all thoughts, but if 'freedom' is ultimately enforced by the police then my original sentiments still stand...I prefer my 'freedom' in the UK.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: NavyDoc
Not so many shot, or killed by beatings I note.
Smaller country so of course smaller sample, but are you really trying to suggest that UK police are as bad as US cops?
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: NavyDoc
Not so many shot, or killed by beatings I note.
Smaller country so of course smaller sample, but are you really trying to suggest that UK police are as bad as US cops?
NO, I'm just pointing out that everybody has their problems. US cops are not by and large as awful as media reports/sterotypes and UK cops are not as jolly hail fellow well met as their stereotypes either.
originally posted by: paraphi
A small and trivial point and it is this. In the UK the police are not "law enforcement officers". It is an important cultural distinction. In the UK policing is by consent. The US model of policing is more confrontational. I suppose they have to be, what with all the guns.
Guns don't guarantee freedom, nor are they part of any equation the determine how free people are. In the US you may rant and rave about "the right to bear arms", but then you have to face the consequences of a dispassionate and dictatorial police service who are afraid of the population.
The police do not uphold "freedom". People uphold freedom, by voting in politicians, who pass laws etc. Although people can be cynical about politics, the voting of politicians in and out of power does work.
Regards