Jim Foley beheading a Fake?

If this was staged, then

1. Why wouldn't ISIS deny they did this?
2. Why wouldn't the U.S. just find some person and behead them on video if they are so callous and have killed so many people in the past
3. If the U.S. wants to enter a war, why just have one journalist beheaded? One journalist does not guarantee a war by any means. Why not have a bomb explode in the US which kills many, thereby guaranteeing a war?
4. Why would the U.S. release that it tried to rescue this guy but they were outsmarted. That makes them look terrible and these guys hate looking bad.
5. How does one ever believe anything is real that doesn't fit with their personal narrative if everything contrary is always faked/propoganda? Do you see the dilemma?

a reply to: flammadraco

Okay. You need some therapy. You have continuously insulted people for expressionist their opinions. You have continuously claimed you wouldn't keep talking, but you continue to do so. Are you mental?

There is more than enough circumstantial evidence to warrant a discussion about the authenticity of this video.

There was no blood when sawing at his neck. The video fades away when, as you've said, there are many examples of their atrocities online, without censorship. The Victim was almost complacent about his murder with bot even a jerk to get away. There was no blood on the hands of the murderer after he allegedly kills the victim.

My personal opinion is that "someone" has cherry picked savage extremists to be the face of their false flag movement. Intel Agents are acting as double agents giving orders to these savages and using them to incite fear so they can justify the further destabilization of the region. This is exactly what happen with 9/11 when Israel followed the high jackers all over the country and then allowed them to pass through security at the airports which they ran.

Do you remember John mccain pictured with ISIS leaders two years ago? Do you remember congress giving 500 million dollars to these guys last year to fund the Syrian coup (which failed)? We have our hands all over this stuff and you want to call out people for considering it's a false flag op?

You don't have to believe any of this, but knowing the treachery that intel agencies have done throughout history, this is not out of the question.

Here's a list of our treachery in the past. Consider it.

1. In the 60s, the CIA sponsored a Harvard study where undergraduate student were humiliated and subjected to “brutalizing psychological experiments”. The student who had the worse reaction to the experiment was Ted Kaczynski who later became the Unabomber.

2. In the early ’80s the CIA helped facilitate the widespread sale of coc aine in poor Los Angeles neighborhoods to help finance the covert war against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

3. Gary Webb, the journalist who wrote CIA contra-crack story of the 1980s was ruled to have died from suicide (2 gunshots in the head)

4. In 1954, American CIA overthrew a democratically elected Guatemala government for the United Fruit Company.

5. In a CIA program called “Operation Midnight Climax”, Prostitutes were enlisted by the CIA to lure men to ‘safehouses’ in San Francisco where they were administered '___' without their consent. CIA Agents would then watch them have sex with the prostitutes through 2-way mirrors.

6. In 1953, a US Scientist named Frank Olson was administered '___' without his knowledge as part of the MKULTRA program. A week later, Olsen ended up dead. The CIA claimed Olsen jumped from a hotel window, but later paid the family $750K and a second autopsy revealed he was likely assassinated.

7. In 1963, a CIA-funded psychiatrist, Dr. Ewen Cameron managed to completely wipe a woman’s memory by using electroshocks and hallucinogens over an 86-day period.

8. The CIA secretly spiked the bread from a bakery in the French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit with enormous quantities of '___' as part of its cold war mind-control experiments. A case of mass hallucinations and insanity ensued

9. In 1962 the CIA tipped off South Africa’s intelligence service about the location of Nelson Mandela, leading to his arrest that put him in jail for 27 years

10. A CIA handbook taught torture methods, and stressed the importance of psychological over physical torture. The threat of inflicting pain triggered fears more damaging than the pain itself, because people often underestimated their capacity to withstand pain.

11. The CIA had a plan to drop gigantic condoms labeled “Medium” into the USSR to convince Russian women that Americans were more virile.

12. Under Operation Northwoods CIA committed genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had become communist under Fidel Castro.

13. In 2003, a German citizen was kidnapped by the CIA and beaten, stripped, violated and tortured until they found out they had the wrong guy.

14. Mohammad Mosaddegh was a democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran who was overthrown by CIA in 1953 for having the audacity to nationalize the Iranian oil industry by seizing it from the hands of the England and USA.

15. During college, Journalist Anderson Cooper spent two summers as an intern at the Central Intelligence Agency. Although he has no formal journalistic education, he opted to pursue a career in journalism rather than stay with the agency after school.

16. When manufacturing the A-12 Blackbird aircraft (built to spy on the Soviet Union), US titanium lacked the purity to cope with high speed flight. The only known titanium pure enough was in the Soviet Union, which the CIA managed to procure covertly and import to the US to produce the plane

17. The CIA, in South Vietnam, in a program called “Operation Phoenix,” secretly, without trial, executed at least 20,000 civilians, who were suspected of being members of the communist party.”

18. In 2013, the CIA publicly acknowledged the existence of Area 51 for the first time.

19. The CIA shut down access to the 23rd highest mountain in the world for nearly a decade in the ’60s because they lost a nuclear powered missile detector in an avalanche

20. CIA used Viagra to bribe Afghan tribal leaders.

21. During Operation Mongoose, the CIA, in an attempt to embarrass Fidel Castro, tried to place thallium salts in his shoes, which would have caused his beard, eyebrows, and pubic hair to fall out.

22. After WWII, the CIA recruited Nazi war criminals, who had worked on mind control/brainwashing techniques in Germany, to assist them with their own mind control experiments on unwitting US citizens.

23. During the late 1950s, U.S officials allegedly made contact with a young Iraqi named Saddam Hussein, who then became part of a CIA authorized squad tasked with carrying out the assassination of then-time Iraqi Prime minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

24. In the ’80s, CIA analysts put together a 20-part series detailing what would actually happen if the events of Tom Clancy’s “The Hunt for Red October” really took place. It’s now a CIA insider classic, and available for the public to read (Page 180).



AAC

a reply to: mekhanics

Genius.

AAC

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation
I completely agree AAC.

Flammadraco ridicules and labels people ignorant for not agreeing with him, then demands they respond to other peoples valid points raised.

But when I responded to the points he specified he ran away from the debate like a scared child.
I find it very unusual and of low character.

Flammdraco please respond to the rebuttal to your points raised here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

you are quick to abuse people who do t agree with you but refuse to justify your position.

originally posted by: MrzeE
a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

watch this video, it was enough to heavily convince me that this was a set-up, the guy that made this video has put times for the specific things he has pointed out.www.youtube.com...

Yes I saw this. Not the full video. It was edited to pull some of these lies out.

People need to wake the F up! This is bull crap!!!!

Please I hope every naysayer watches that youtube in its entirety. They didn't even know how many kids they had. RU SERIOUS?

AAC.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

I'm starting to think he's a paid poster. That seems to be the biggest similarity with the people I suspect of being here on ATS doing their work.

Did you watch that video a few posts above? Read the notes with it and just skim through. So many BS points.

AAC

a reply to: iwilliam

If he didn't want to look like a "weasel" when he died, why didn't he refuse to be the mouth piece of ISIS then?

No, his point doesn't make sense.

AAC

originally posted by: boast
people believe it's fake because we have long term memories

USS Maine sunk by Spanish mine = fake
had Op Northwoods been pulled off = fake
Gulf of Tonkin Incident = fake
Iraqis dumping babies out of incubators in Kuwait = fake
Saddam has Yellowcake and other WMDs = fake
Assad's attacks with chemicals = fake


all wars are started on lies.

Stop using facts to support your narrative. It's not fair. Lol

AAC

1. Why wouldn't ISIS deny they did this?

ISIS is not real. It's a group of sadistic people at the guidance of double agents to incite fear of Muslims around the world to justify the continued destabilization of the Middle East.

2. Why wouldn't the U.S. just find some person and behead them on video if they are so callous and have killed so many people in the past

Because they didn't want to kill their agent james foley. He's now going to continue being in the ISIS group wearing the black mask and placing orders.

3. If the U.S. wants to enter a war, why just have one journalist beheaded? One journalist does not guarantee a war by any means. Why not have a bomb explode in the US which kills many, thereby guaranteeing a war?

It's more than a war they need. It's a continued fear tactic to continue stripping freedoms away in the name of security.

4. Why would the U.S. release that it tried to rescue this guy but they were outsmarted. That makes them look terrible and these guys hate looking bad.

Not if it's for a greater cause. This is all part of the story.

5. How does one ever believe anything is real that doesn't fit with their personal narrative if everything contrary is always faked/propoganda? Do you see the dilemma?

But do you see the history of deception? Read the list I wrote out a few post back. If the evidence supports deception, and the outcome benefits the motivation to lie, it's worth discerning over.

AAC

I don't know if anyone posted this idea about the video, and why it has been cut at the last moment.

As it is really strange they don't show the actual beheading, because this is the part that they usually want to show.

They really seem to have put some effort in the recording of the beheading.
The way the sound is recorderd and the use of 2 camera's.

Now I actually don't doubt that Foley was killed.
I think something went wrong, and they didn't want people to see that.
After some thinking of what could possibly go wrong and what would they now want to show then?
The more gruesome the better you think.
If you ever watched the Eugene Armstrong beheading, you know how horrific this can be.

So it came to my mind that the only thing they probably didn't want show was if the executioner maybe couldn't handle it, or couldn't finish. It would show some weakness on their part, and that would be exactly the thing they don't want to show. If some jihadist who actually threatens to behead someone, and afterwards maybe was shocked himself by how hard it actually is to behead someone. They would cut that out, it would defeat the whole purpose of the video, if they guy who first threatens to drown everyone in blood, couldn't handle it.

And to the people claiming the beheading was censored by ISIS for mass appeal. I say, no. The media would still edit themselves to continue talking about it. Have you seen our media?

I reply, why would they make it look fake to discredit what they did?

AAC.

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

Not necessarily mass appeal, the video could also have discredited them, as weak, if the beheading went wrong for instance. And the executioner couldn't handle it. They would cut that out, maybe they wouldn't even want to show it at all then. But then they would have wasted about 100 millions worth of hostage money.


If it was faked to start another war, they were already attacking them with airstrikes, and with or without this video, most of the world already agreed that ISIS needs to be stopped.

a reply to: Phroster1

So you're saying that ISIS possibly messed up the beheading and had to edit out the struggle?

I don't know, I think the struggle would help the cause. I mean, it's not like James won the struggle.

AAC

a reply to: hoth12

Isis wouldn't deny it because there top ranks work for the U.S. Isis is herded by the cia.

It's a fake to be used as pro war propaganda, they are already talking about invading Syria again.

IS would never spare the gory details, they relish in the extremism. They certainly aren't trying to do the West any favors.

Also, another major factor is not a single "Allahu Akbar" which is a staple point in these jihad videos. In fact, not even a single Muslim word was spoken in the Foley video.

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

Surely it was horrific and they usually show that.

But there is a possibily that the executioner couldn't handle it maybe, maybe he got tired, or had to puke.

Please read the entire post, I already explained this. If the executioner showed any weakness on his part this would totally destroy the purpose of the video.
It was meant to inspire fear, well who is afraid of some pussy ISIS dude who can't even finish the job?

On a side note, if this video is the reason to start more military missions, then they haven't seen any of the horrific images and videos that come from that part of the world in last few months.
I think everyone agrees that ISIS needs to be taken care off. Not just because a journalist was killed, that might have just been the last drop they have been waiting for.

a reply to: flammadraco

1) James Foley realised that this was not another Mock execution and as such probably started fighting for his life in the best way he could under the circumstances.

Why wouldn't they just start from the top? That makes a lot more sense than editing out the most gruesome and extreme part of the video, the actual act of decapitation.

Also, you can see the executioner pull Foley's head back and sawing at his neck several times (no blood but not the point here.) Unlikely to be much fighting back from that point.

They had Foley for 2 years in captivity, so the guy maybe was put in similar situations already.
They could have told him that they would kill him but he didn't know when.

The psychology behind something like that is very strange but at a certain point people will accept their
fate, and not struggle anymore.
I have read about this, most people will go through some kind of strange psychological process.

It consist of 5 stages.
First denial > then anger > then bargaining > depression > acceptance.

Being in captivity for 2 years, he probably had enough time to go through this whole process and he just accepted that his death would come some day. Still horrible to think off.

And of course they could also have drugged him.

This video is fake as it misleads the viewer to believe this was the moment of his 'execution'
Which it was clearly not.

a reply to: all2human

I watched the video again, still scary to watch it again, but it's nothing compared to other stuff I have seen.

This could have been rehearsed as other have said.
So they recorded until they got it right, this might have taken a few times.

Now right before the terrorist ends his speech, you see the that the video fades to another shot, and that is when the actual beheading occurs.

There is allot of editing done. So it seems clear they rehearsed until they got it right, and beheaded Foley afterwards when they felt it was the right time.
Still if you look at the images, and the expression on Foley's face, I'm sure he was in fear, and he had an idea of what might happen.
He does seem to keep his composure in the video, but by the expression on his face, and the pauses he makes in his speech, he knew something was going to happen.