ISIS beheads US Journalist James Wright Foley

a reply to: Agit8dChop

You say in your post that you don't understand why members don't want to discuss the logical debate how this could be a hoax despite members already giving valid points to your claims on your own thread to these points. You say we all jumping on the "hate Muslim bandwagon" and yet you have no evidence to the contrary.

Personally I find if quite sickening that the first thing some ATS members do is jump on "it's a fake" bandwagon. A man lost his life in the most horrific way and the first thing some members on here do is claim Mr Foley is alive and his execution was faked so we can all have a reason to hate Muslims, IMO your talking baloney.

I'm surprised how many "beheading Video" experts ATS has on here.

What will you and other members do when Mr Foleys body is repatriated to the US, or will this become another conspiracy and the body returned is not Mr foley?

Sometimes, things are what they are and not everything is a conspiracy.

Okay look first up it's bad... But what is so different from this and us/uk soldiers dropping bombs and killing men/women and children? You think all die instantly? Or how about torturing people to death then taking snaps with the corpses with a big smiley face!?

They are all sick to me! On both sides, the whole stinkin lot of em... let em go about killing each other... The only bad thing is the innocent civilians that get caught up in it all. The rest can have at it for all I care...

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
Actually, the sleaves go past his elbows and are not rolled/folded up. When he is on the ground, they are folded up above his elbow.
Look again.(dont post pics, you will be post banned)

Cute, but my understanding is that providing it is on topic, I am free to post pictures of shirt sleeves all day long. Even if it disproves your argument.



Please note that the relative length of the shirt sleeve is the same in both pictures, which would not be the case if the shirt sleeve had been at all folded/rolled up. You'll be glad to know that I find it deeply depressing that I had to make a diagram in MS Paint for someone on the internet explaining why a shirt sleeve is not evidence of some grand conspiracy.

He is sawing back and forth, there would be some blood running down his neck instantly. there is 0 blood.
Look again.

In fact, there would not be blood running down his neck instantly. A sensible person might say that this was sort of evidenced by the fact that there isn't any. Another might say that he hasn't cut into any major veins in that ~1 second of footage, because he is sawing into the guy's windpipe with a small -and perhaps insufficiently sharp- knife and only for ~1 second. I almost feel as if I'm having to repeat myself. These words aren't going anywhere and I'm not writing them again, so please just read them over and over until you understand.

So? ISIS have released 20-30minute videos before. They show 8-9 minutes of people being executed.. Blood, Brains, split open skulls. If they really beheaded and American they would not have cut away. It would be there for the Fanatical Muslim world to drool over.

Yes I've seen their videos thanks. Note the lack of shoddy executions involving high profile victims. Do you remember the outtakes from some of AQI's videos? If you actually want to understand why the video exists, it would help you to think about what ISIS is trying to convey instead of searching desperately for some conspiracy angle.

yet, you got them all wrong?

To answer your question, no I didn't. I've given you the answers to all of your dumb questions. You don't like my answers because they show rather nicely that your theory is trash.

a reply to: flammadraco

Please don't put words in my mouth!
I never said he was alive.

I'm surprised how many "beheading Video" experts ATS has on here.

You and me both, you think I'm talking Baloney, have you watched the beheading video's from Iraq?
- If you have then you'd see the blood that spurts all over the place when a knife is taken to a mans neck.
- If you have then you'd see how distressed and anxious the prisoner is when waiting for his head to be cut off
- If you have then you'd see how much the body struggles and fights when someone is cutting your head off

I dont claim to be an expert, but I've seen enough beheading movies from Iraqi's to see the difference between a real one and a staged one. Also, lets not call this a beheading because there is 0 evidence of that. You never see the man beheaded, your only saying that because the Media is telling you thats whats happening.

Do you believe ISIS would allow an American body to be picked up by US government and delivered home so it can be given proper funeral? the REAL ISIS would leave it in the desert to rot or throw it in the rivers, like they have with the other bodies they butchered.

0 evidence? you have 0 evidence this man was beheaded. The movie doesn't even show him being beheaded. All you have is the MURDOCH MEDIA throwing that statement down your throats. Your all so willing to believe it.
Wheres your proof he was beheaded? Can you show me the blood? can you show me footage? can you show me a corpse? Can you show me anything accept the Murdoch Media's move that shows nothing?

And yes, lastly! I believe this fake beheading was planted deliberately to bring about an emotional response. It worked, clearly! look how many people want to ignore logic and blame the Muslims for this atrocity! I mean, how dare the Muslims kill 1 American, dont they understand we need these Americans so we can keep bombing, butchering and slaughtering people of the middle east?

so selfish!

lets agree to disagree, I thought ATS members were a little more inclined to question the ''facts'' that the TV Throws at you, but i guess not.

a reply to: Soshh

I'd be careful posting those pics mate.
Also fix your quotes, its quite hard to understand what your talking about.

Also, thats quiet a selective screen shot you ave there that doesn't show the end of the sleeve for 1 and it doesn't show a sleeved rolled up.

Lastly

You don't like my answers because they show rather nicely that your theory is trash.

Its not my theory, its a theory majority of people are discussing all over the world. You haven't shown my theory is trash either, you've just shown you will believe the TV no matter what.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

To be honest and apologies for being rude but I cannot read anymore of your posts. You've been going on for hours how this is all fake to make us all hate Muslims.

I'm off to work now.

Edit - you say we have zero evidence that this guy was killed, I'd call having your head placed on your back evidence enough the poor chap was dead, but hey ho, you carry on believing what you want as after all you are entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Final point to add, please read the OP again, you will see this thread started a couple of hours before Murdochs Media or any other MSM outlet reported on it.

I created the thread when this news started coming out on Twitter by ISIS but that probably won't sit well with your version of events.

To this day, the "Unknown Russian Soldier" beheading is the only one that is truly for real. Any beheading in this so called war on terror where the American Military Industrial Complex is at work, is to be questioned.

Islam........

originally posted by: AmmonSeth
Islam........

The religion of peace?

I'm calling fake on this video. Sounds like actors reading off a script. The video quality is much better than normal. They cut out the part that would be the hardest to fake, the beheading. The ISIS guy has unusually good English. The whole point of a beheading video is to strike fear into your enemy...and they cut that part out. It just doesn't make sense. But now this is the perfect excuse to ramp the attacks up against ISIS and keep it going.

originally posted by: OptimusSubprime

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I agree, and most of it down to religion, but that's for another thread.

It's man's corruption of religion

It's religions corruption of man.

originally posted by: MentorsRiddle

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I agree, and most of it down to religion, but that's for another thread.

Religion is not a bad thing.

People using religion as an excuse to kill is a bad thing.

If it wasn't religion it would be race, if not race then, sexual preference, if not sexual preference then something else.

It is the heart of man that needs cleansed - not religion or any other external thing.

These religions you claim are not bad, please name one that is not ENTIRELY used to keep humans thinking they are at fault, they need cleansing, and that the higher powers are not TOTALLY CONTROLLING THEM, but actually want to HELP THEM.

These diseases known as religion were introduced TO the newly created human populace by the "Others" and a great many beings are included in this proxy war, and frequency tweaking machines, to do nothing but make sure they shape the incredible force of these humans, to :

1. Make sure to find a new God.

2. Make sure they do not realize the power they could wield on the oppressors.

3. Make sure nothing ever progresses beyond the point the oppressors can even see.

4. Make sure the Earth humans stay in fear of the Alien Gods, whom long ago saw the only chance they had for survival was to create these hybrid races, use them for ALL manner of purposes, including generating all the power they need to survive multi-dimensionally, and to hopefully trick some of them through ALL THE CHAOS, into finding a way to create a PATH, that leads them back before the grave errors, they have made.

The one thing they do not EVER do, is to admit they have failed in the tasks they set out to do, and that was to RE-CREATE the CREATOR.

Yes, the being that was GONE , when this CREATION was manifest!!!

Religion is corrupt because man is corrupt. Anything man touches will eventually become corrupt as well. Religion is only a theory of reality. Man then corrupts this theory.

ISIL distorts their religious theory so much it is they who are the Kafr’s or disbelievers.

It is they who are, as the Koran says: “fuel for the fire”

They have distorted Islam and religion so much that it no longer even resembles religion.

It does resemble somewhat the premodern medieval way of some conquerors from Europe and the Mideast and even the Far East (Japan and the Mongols) but that’s what Obama was saying when he said they don’t belong in this era.

But lets not forget this kind of activity was done in relatively modern periods against the Native Americans, Africans, and many other third world countries, as well as people who were attacked by the Nazis as late as the 1930’s and 40’s.

So ISIL is an enemy of the evolution of man

It must be destroyed!

It is strange that Foley was beheaded on Clinton's birthday... which is also the same day they released the video.

It is also strange that they are using the term "ISIL" vs "ISIS".

ISIL | JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY | BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II | GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY = (49) + (196) + (165) + (256) = 666!

In Revelation 18 it mentions 10 nations that have power with the beast for one hour! These 10 nations are Islamic, and the one hour of power that they had with the beast (United States)... was when they flew the planes into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001!

The 10 Islamic nations are the 10 horns of Revelation 13!
ISIL | JAMES WRIGHT FOLEY | BEHEADED | WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTHE III | THE THIRD REICH = (49) + (196) + (34) + (252) + (135) = 666!
It appears that THE THIRD REICH and ISLAM are working together. These two terms add to (135) + (54) = (189) = John Forbes Kerry... the S.O.S.! Adolf Hitler = (110) = Osama Bin Laden.

a reply to: IXApollyonXI

What are these numbers you keep coming up with? IMO and please correct me if I'm wrong, but all I see are random words and numbers next to them which you then add up.

Can you explain your post please?

a reply to: flammadraco

This is horrifyingly similar to the murder of American journalist Samir Khan. I hope the perpetrator of that murder is hunted down put on trial and convicted too.

every time its fake, right. Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, etc.. All fake.. Yep. Just to make us hate muslims. Yep.

These are all fake.. the CIA did it right... because, no fanatical bad people exist on the planet except the CIA.

* Georgi Lazov and Ivailo Kepov, two truck drivers, were seized on June 29, 2004, near Mosul. Lazov's beheaded body was found on July 14, 2004; Kepov's on July 22, 2004.
* Shosei Koda, a tourist, was confirmed beheaded on October 30, 2004. He had been kidnapped on October 26, 2004 by Zarqawi's group.
* Kim Sun-il, a translator, was kidnapped on May 30, 2004 by Zarqawi´s group. He was beheaded in a video released June 22, 2004.
* Kenneth John Bigley, a civil engineer, who was kidnapped September 16, 2004. The two Americans kidnapped with him were beheaded and Bigley was beheaded around October 7.
* Jason Swindlehurst, Jason Creswell, Alec Maclachlan and Alan McMenemy, four security contractors kidnapped with Peter Moore, a computer consultant, on May 29, 2007. Their captors were Shia militiamen who demanded the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq and release of all Iraqi prisoners in exchange for the hostages's release. Jason, Peter and Alan appeared in videos released in November 2007, February 2008 and July 2008. The captors claimed that Swindlehurst killed himself on May 25, 2008. However, that turned out to be a lie. The bodies of Swindlehurst and Creswell were recovered on June 19, 2009. On July 29, 2009, it was revealed that Maclachlan and McMenemy had also been killed. Maclachlan's body was recovered on September 1, 2009. McMenemy's body was recovered on January 20, 2012
* Nicholas Evan Berg, a businessman went missing on April 9, 2004. His widely publicized beheading was shown in a video May 11, 2004. His body had been found the day before. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Berg.
* Owen Eugene "Jack" Armstrong, a contractor for the construction firm Gulf Supplies Commercial Services of the United Arab Emirates, was kidnapped on September 16, 2004. He was beheaded on 20 September 2004. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Armstrong. The following day, the group beheaded fellow American Jack Hensley, and threatened to kill their third hostage, Briton Kenneth Bigley, unless the United States met their demands to free all women prisoners in Iraqi jails. Bigley was beheaded in October 2004.
* John Roy Young, Joshua Mark "Josh" Munns, Paul Christopher Johnson-Reuben and Jonathon Michael "Jon" Cote, four security contractors, were kidnapped with an Austrian named Bert Nussbaumer on November 16, 2006. They appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007. The kidnapped contractors stated in their video that they would not be released until the following demands had been made; the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq and the release of all Iraqi prisoners in exchange for the hostages's release. Four fingers were sent to U.S. authorities in February 2008. The fingers belonged to Munns, Reuben, Cote and Nussbaumer. The bodies of Young, Nussbaumer, Munns and Reuben were recovered in March 2008. Cote's body was recovered in April 2008.
* Ronald Joe Withrow, a contractor, was kidnapped along with his translator and driver on January 5, 2007. The translator and driver were found dead the next day. One of Withrow's fingers was sent to U.S. authorities in February 2008. His body was recovered in March 2008.
* James Foley, a journalist who was kidnapped in November 2012 in Syria, was beheaded by members of the Islamic State in mid-August 2014. His death was confirmed on August 19th, 2014 and a video of his death was released by members of the Islamic State.
* Bert Nussbaumer, a contractor, was kidnapped along with four Americans on November 16, 2006. They appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007. Their kidnappers demanded the withdrawal of America troops from Iraq and the release of all Iraqi prisoners in exchange for the hostages' release. One of Nussbaumer's fingers was sent to U.S. authorities in February 2008. Three of the Americans and Nussbaumer were found dead in March 2008. The other American was found dead in April 2008.
* Mohammed Mutawalli, a purported "Egypt spy", was beheaded in a video on August 10, 2004.
* Margaret Hassan, the director of CARE International, was kidnapped in Baghdad on October 19, 2004. Her driver and unarmed security guard were not taken. She was killed in a video released on November 16, 2004.
* Driver Abderrahim Boualam and assistant Abdelkrim El Mouhafidim, both workers at the Moroccan embassy in Baghdad, went missing on October 20, 2005 while driving back from Jordan. On October 25, 2005, militants claimed their kidnapping. On November 3, 2005, Al Qaeda in Iraq said in an internet statement that it had decided to kill the two hostages. Ziad Khalaf Raja al-Karbouly later confessed to having arranged the kidnappings. He stated that two Kurds were kidnapped with the Moroccans and were later released.
* Gyanendra Shrestha, Manoj Kumar Thakur, Rajendra Kumar Shrestha, Jit Bahadur Thapa, Budha Kumar Shas, Ramesh Khadka, Mangal Bahadur Limbu, Sanjaya Kumar Thakur, Lalan Sing Koirala, Chhok Bahadur Thapa, Prakash Adhikari, and Bishnu Hari Thapa, were twelve Nepalese taken hostage on August 23, 2004. A video from August 31, 2004, showed the beheading of one and the shooting in the head of the eleven others.
* Azad Hussein Khan, an engineer and Sajjad Naeem, a driver, were kidnapped on July 23, 2004, and killed. Their captors demanded their Kuwaiti company leave Iraq. In a video released on July 29, 2004, their bodies were shown. An Iraqi driver who was held with them was released.
* Fyodor Zaitsev, third secretary of the Russian Embassy in Iraq, and embassy employees Rinat Agliulin, Anatoly Smirnov and Oleg Fyodoseyev were abducted after an ambush in Baghdad on June 3, 2006. Another employee, Vitaly Titov, was shot and killed. A group claimed to have executed them on June 21, 2006, and a video released on June 25, 2006, confirmed their deaths. The kidnapper group gave 48 hours to the Putin administration to pull out his troops from Chechnya. The bodies of the four diplomats were found in April 2012.
* Six Sudanese truck drivers were kidnapped by Ansar al-Sunnah in April 2005. The six men were shot dead in a video posted on the Internet.
* Durmus Kumdereli, a truck driver, was kidnapped on August 14, 2004. He was having dinner in a restaurant a few miles away from Mosul. He was kidnapped in that restaurant with Mustafa Köksal by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's men. Kumdereli was decapitated on August 17, 2004 by Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad. Koksal was freed on August 18, 2004.
* Dursun Ali Yildirim Tek, a truck driver, was kidnapped on July 23, 2006. Two videos were broadcast on the internet in which his captors demanded the Turkish government end all cooperation with Iraq and that they shut down the company Tek worked for. In the second video, a 72 hour deadline was issued in which Turkey had to give in to the captors' demands or Tek would be executed. He was killed in October after the deadline passed and his body was found near Baghdad's Airport. His body was identified a month and a half later.
* Maher Kemal, a contractor, was reported beheaded on October 11, 2004.

Faked.. all of it.

Poor guy.. Looks like he is on drugs as usually there is lots of movements when wind pipe get cut.

Anyhoo.. Anyone seen video of isis killing another rebel with point blank 50 cal...?

a reply to: flammadraco

It IS being covered by MSM. I've been seeing basically nothing else but this story, and Ferguson, MO on MSM. US troops will be back in Iraq in large number ver soon. Very scary.