"Right to Refuse Service" but not to Gays?

a reply to: MentorsRiddle

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Wasn't there a chain of restaurant/bars that didn't allow people to open-carry?

You can still discriminate, but it has to be against something that progressives don't like.

a reply to: grey580
Nowhere does Jesus say to use the state upon threat of punishment to force people to behave his way.

Either you obey the commandments because you choose to, or you don't and risk the consequences once your run on the planet is over.

a reply to: NavyDoc

And you opinion on an establishment that wouldn't allow servicepeople? Yeah, like that would happen. And shouldn't.

a reply to: GetOutOfMyLight

No but he does say this.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

If people did more of this and less discrimination.

We wouldn't need the state punish anyone.

originally posted by: GetOutOfMyLight
a reply to: grey580
Nowhere does Jesus say to use the state upon threat of punishment to force people to behave his way.

No but a lot of Christians do.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

www.goodreads.com...

originally posted by: GetOutOfMyLight
a reply to: grey580
Nowhere does Jesus say to use the state upon threat of punishment to force people to behave his way.

Either you obey the commandments because you choose to, or you don't and risk the consequences once your run on the planet is over.

this country isn't set up to be run by what Jesus says, that's why it has a constitution. I don't obey any mythical being, nor do I want to live in a country that does.

originally posted by: grey580
No but he does say this.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

If people did more of this and less discrimination.

We wouldn't need the state punish anyone.

Love your neighbor as yourself. So long as you love them in the way *I* think is right.

Do you think... maybe... that might also include loving their differences and desire to build a community that works best for them? This agenda at play isn't about getting people to love their neighbors as themselves... it's about FORCING neighbors to love them at the point of a government punishment.

You can't quote the man, who had absolutely NO support for the state in the authority of men's lives, and then in the following breath use him to justify the state. This issue is between those people and their God and their lack of business if they don't want to sell to someone without any shoes on.

There was also that diner in South Carolina.

They were giving 15% discounts to people who said a prayer before their meal.

Well, they can't do that now because an atheist group threatened to sue and they were getting death threats.

a reply to: jimmyx

How am I not using common sense? When I own a business, I own the right to serve you personally. If I don't want to serve you personally, I don't have to because I own the business! It should be nobody's right to tell me who I can and can't serve!

THAT IS COMMON SENSE!!

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: NavyDoc

And you opinion on an establishment that wouldn't allow servicepeople? Yeah, like that would happen. And shouldn't.

IMHO? Yes, they shouldn't be forced by the state and I'd just as soon as not give my money to people who don't like me. Part of freedom and a free society is tolerating the few jerks out there.

I have been kicked out of a few shops in San Francisco because I was military. Didn't bother me, I just went and spent my money elsewhere.

originally posted by: beezzer
There was also that diner in South Carolina.

They were giving 15% discounts to people who said a prayer before their meal.

Well, they can't do that now because an atheist group threatened to sue and they were getting death threats.

were they giving 15% discounts to devil prayers or Allah prayers?

originally posted by: intrepid
No but a lot of Christians do.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Well if YOU can do it, then they can too?

Or... you can be consistent and deny *either* side the right to use the state.

And you are correct, many many Christians are currently hypnotized and sedated by the very "being" they supposedly are opposed to. It's a shame.

originally posted by: jimmyx
this country isn't set up to be run by what Jesus says, that's why it has a constitution. I don't obey any mythical being, nor do I want to live in a country that does.

Ohhh you're so edgy!

As for it not being setup to be run by what Jesus says... THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT. Nowhere should people be using the state to enforce Jesus' commentary, yet that's almost exactly what you and the person I was responding to are stating.

Either people have the right to deny business to someone based on their beliefs... or you want to use the State to enforce Jesus' point of view. I'm sure you will turn that edgy defiance of mythology around to blind yourself to how you are in fact doing what you say you don't want done.

Either gays can refuse service to Westboro Baptist if they wanted to, or they can't. I support their right to refuse service to Westboro Baptist people.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
I have been kicked out of a few shops in San Francisco because I was military. Didn't bother me, I just went and spent my money elsewhere.

You were probably kicked out for wearing Cowboy's or Packer's colors. GO NINERS!

I don't agree man. If I was you I'd be pissed.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: GetOutOfMyLight
a reply to: grey580
Nowhere does Jesus say to use the state upon threat of punishment to force people to behave his way.

Either you obey the commandments because you choose to, or you don't and risk the consequences once your run on the planet is over.

this country isn't set up to be run by what Jesus says, that's why it has a constitution. I don't obey any mythical being, nor do I want to live in a country that does.

you live in CA....So welcome to the country that does believe in what you call a "mythical being"...

You ever read a paper bill? Anyone will work...$1, $5, $10, $100 whatever....IN GOD WE TRUST!!

ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, Indivisible......

There are a lot more examples, but hopefully your eyes are open now to where you say you don't want to live..

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: beezzer
There was also that diner in South Carolina.

They were giving 15% discounts to people who said a prayer before their meal.

Well, they can't do that now because an atheist group threatened to sue and they were getting death threats.

were they giving 15% discounts to devil prayers or Allah prayers?

They were just giving the discounts for prayer or silent meditation.

They didn't specify a religion.

a reply to: GetOutOfMyLight

The point of these laws being in place is that people are not treating others equally.

If you think it's ok for a business owner to discriminate against someone else for any reason at all. Well I don't agree with that. I think it's wrong. And you're not changing my mind about it.

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: ispyed
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

Because the government represent the people. Government is the boss. Its called democracy.

Represent...Sure

Micromanage business...Nope

What I do with my business is MY BUSINESS! There should be nobody saying who I can or can't serve, no matter what industry you are in....Shouldn't matter the reason either, if you decide not to serve someone, it is your business and your money you are losing out on.

no it's not...go read the supreme court ruling...by the way, having a business comes with all kinds of government restraints, as well as laws and regulations....if you serve bad food that kills my wife, and there is no law against that, I'm coming back to your business with a gun, and you won't have to worry about owning a business any longer...geez, use some common sense
go live in Somalia....there's absolutely no government there, you are on your own to set up any business you want.

If your wife dies from food poisoning, the government will not arrest the shop owner unless there is evidence of a deliberate attempt on her life (already covered by those anti-murder laws). Absent that, it would be a civil matter, which is where most disputes between citizens belong.

Of course, how is a gay person or anyone for that matter, harmed by not being served when there is a similar shop down the street that will serve you? Absent emergency services, the vast majority of "discrimination" complainants are not harmed and just could take their business elsewhere. The law should be about actual harm, not hurt feelings.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: GetOutOfMyLight

The point of these laws being in place is that people are not treating others equally.

If you think it's ok for a business owner to discriminate against someone else for any reason at all. Well I don't agree with that. I think it's wrong. And you're not changing my mind about it.

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

I think it's wrong too, however, I also think that government forcing people to engage in commerce or association they do not want to is also wrong. I guess the difference between you and I lies in the fact that I do not think it just to use the coercive power of the state to enforce my ideas of whom should work with whom.

A lot of you people wouldn't be preaching the same crap if it was someone refusing service to someone for being a conservative or for using ATS because it gets personal then. Youd be screaming for your rights to service not defending them for taking away service.