Gov. Jay Nixon signs exec. order to send Missouri National Guard to Ferguson

a reply to: Sremmos80

Posting for reference for later tonight.

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a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut
Sorry for the delay in responding. Here's some info about the RCP. The commies!

The RCP has written that the United States "is a country founded on genocide and slavery" and that the RCP has a "special challenge and responsibility to make revolution, at the earliest possible time, right within the belly of this most powerful imperialist beast." The RCP has also stated that "the development of capitalism in the U.S. is a history of the most savage oppression of the Black, Native American, Chicano, Puerto Rican, Hawaiian, Asian, and other oppressed peoples" and that "the proletariat must overthrow and thoroughly smash and dismantle the bourgeois state. And that requires war."

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As the RCP evolved as an organization, they came to reject electoral politics, a position they continue to uphold. According to Max Elbaum's Revolution in the Air they contrasted themselves with other self-identified Marxist-Leninst parties in the 1980s who advocated working within or alongside Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, with the RCP summarizing their position in the slogan, "The right to vote has been won ... Now we need the political awareness and sophistication not to use it." In the years of the Jackson presidential campaigns in 1984 and 1988 the RCP's Carl Dix ran as an "anti-candidate [...]running against the notion that oppressed people could rely on the election arena to accomplish positive change."[15] The RCP holds that its line against electoral politics has been vindicated by the dissolution of several of the Marxist-Leninist groups in the Jackson Campaigns, and others' perceived shifts of line away from open advocacy of revolution with "ultra-leftism." The RCP's critique of what they call the "voting trap" has led many other socialist groups to label them "sectarian" and "abstentionist".

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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Strange how the small government conservatives were praising the use of the NG as well.

Even stranger is the fact that Lewis and the NAACP are highly visible.

And stranger yet, we hear no objections to either statement ????

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: xxPUSH0Noo

originally posted by: HardCorps
BREAKING----

ST. LOUIS – One person is dead after an officer-involved shooting in north St. Louis.

The shooting happened near Riverview Boulevard and McLaran Avenue. No officers were injured.

The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

NewsChannel 5 has a crew at the scene. This story will be updated as information becomes available.

From KSDK

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Adrienne Broaddus @abroaddus · 5m

St. Louis city police have The victim's body behind orange barrier.

Fox is now reporting

(KTVI) – Authorities are responding to a report of an officer involved shooting in north St. Louis. It happened just before 1 p.m. Tuesday at Mclaren and Riverview outside a market.

Authorities say a man walked into a store and showed a knife.

The store owner says he got into a dispute with the man.

Police were called but the suspect refused to put down the weapon. He tried to attack police and was shot and killed.

We will bring you more details as they become available.

Wow... This seems soo familiar... Where have I heard this before???????? Seriously... This is starting to get obvious.

The only obvious thing is the guy was told to stop with the knife and charged police with it. He was within 3-4 feet of the officers before he was shot.

Yes, he was approaching the officers with the knife. My question, however, is doesn't the St. Louis PD have tasers? Same thing happened here last week (without the theft though) and my police just backed up and did nothing. It wasn't until he started harming himself that they tasered him.

www.kmov.com...

They may have had pixie dust, they should have used that first. You don't want to admit any wrong doing by this crook and blame everyone on the cops. I really don't understand how you can process such thoughts. He had a nife, he was going toward offices with it after robbing a store.

I provided a contrast that was two similar events that had two radically different outcomes. Both had knives, both were screaming at the police to shoot them, trying to get them to shoot them. One is alive. The math isn't hard to figure. How my case got the attention of the police? He was screaming that he was going to blow the entire neighborhood up. And they tasered him. I think threats of terrorism trump robbery most days of the week.

PS. If you actually look at my history of posts on the subject of the police, you'll find that my opinion isn't quite so cut and dry as you think it is. If anyone has an imbalanced opinion of doing no wrong, it's yours. There are great police officers here in the US. I've met a good number of them. I credit a few with actually saving my life. I wouldn't be here today without those officers. However, if there is a problem that I perceive, I will state that.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

Imho, only the media, government officials, and support groups like amnesty international should be the only outsiders in Ferguson right now.

Not easy to separate is it.

Mass I.D. checks ?

a reply to: Sremmos80
Does it seem logical that the old commie would be just friends with these much younger men? He is a devoted communist left over from the Weather Underground days. Mark my words, there will be a bombing by these deviant communists. They're teaching the young blacks how to be terrorists!

a reply to: Mikeultra

How do you know so much about this guy?
Should be able to tell me his name since you know so much

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: WhiteAlice

Imho, only the media, government officials, and support groups like amnesty international should be the only outsiders in Ferguson right now.

Not easy to separate is it.

Mass I.D. checks ?

I think that asking the community what they would like to see done with the issues would be the reasonable start. It's their community and where their homes and lives are. Whatever they are down with, I would support.

a reply to: xuenchen

Ya i think that the martial law comment was dumb and if the naacp wants to agree with calling the national guard then they are more then welcome to do it.
They are all about gov help right? We can agree there I am sure

a reply to: xuenchen

Ya i think that the martial law comment was dumb and if the naacp wants to agree with calling the national guard then they are more then welcome to do it.
They are all about gov help right? We can agree there I am sure

a reply to: Sremmos80
RCP is in Ferguson inciting people to riot. They want widespread rioting to spread everywhere. Do you want America to go commie?

VII. Conclusion: A Challenge and a Call We mean what we have said here, and we mean what we say in the Conclusion of our Party’s Constitution: The Revolutionary Communist Party, USA has taken the responsibility to lead revolution in the U.S., the belly of the imperialist beast, as its principal share of the world revolution and the ultimate aim of communism. This is a great and historic undertaking—and all those who yearn to see this happen should rally to and support this vanguard, working together with the party, building support for it and, on the basis of taking up the cause and outlook of communism, joining it. The emancipation of all humanity: this, and nothing less than this, is our goal. There is no greater cause, no greater purpose to which to dedicate our lives.21 All that we have spoken to here, and what we have laid bare, in direct and unvarnished terms, should give even greater meaning and emphasis to the call for people who share, or respect, our determination to bring a new world into being, without exploitation and oppression, to rally to the aid and support of this Party. To the revolutionaries and communists everywhere, to all those who thirst for another, radically different and far better world: Let us not retreat into and retrench in the past, in whatever form—let us instead go forward boldly toward the goal of communism and the emancipation of humanity from thousands of years of tradition’s chains.

revcom.us...

Do you consider the RCP to be peaceful protesters?

Whiterabbit: I think you missed the point of my post lol. all good
D'oh.. Mikeultra did too

originally posted by: EyesOpenMouthShut
anyway, What im getting at here is the typical officer has three non lethals on their person. a taser, a baton, and pepper spray. Not one of these were used before the guy was killed

Use of force continuum does not require a step by step escalation. The guy going for an officers gun made it a deadly force encounter. His size compared to the officers is a consideration. If the persons appears to be under the influence its a consideration. The number of people present is a consideration, which in this case there are two suspects. The fact he went hands on and hit the officer is a consideration. What the suspect states it a consideration.

The number of officers present is a consideration. Public at large is a consideration.

All within a few seconds.

You are tunnel visionary onto one area while ignoring ALL info present.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: EyesOpenMouthShut
anyway, What im getting at here is the typical officer has three non lethals on their person. a taser, a baton, and pepper spray. Not one of these were used before the guy was killed

I doubt any officer would go to pepper or stick after a fight over his weapon. An officer might enlighten us on that point.

I would not. Its a deadly force encounter. The suspect demonstrated a desire to disarm and assault the officer. It is not known if the suspect is armed. Just because something is not in his hands does not mean he doesn't have something on him.

I would have acted in the same manner as this officer given the same situation, and have. Luckily in those situations the individual complied with verbal commands.

Dangit y'all, stop with the intelligent debate and well-resourced-and-researched commentary, I never actually got to sleep last night after signing off because my mind was racing with all the live streams I had just watched all night and the great debates we had during and after it was all over. I need to sleep tonight, but I know y'all are just gonna keep me wide awake again by being my fellow witnesses to this history going down and knowing that there's intelligent people having great conversations about it that always challenge my own viewpoint and opinions. STOP THAT!!!

[I'll be back on to help with the live stream links and documentation of events live-blog-style after Extreme Weight Loss is over at 10; lol, I'm addicted to that show for some weird reason but the live streams and commentary here are even more addicting, like watching zombie movies or something. It's cringe-worthy every 2 minutes, but I cannot tear my eyes away, watching through the gaps in my fingers on my hands over my eyes. ]

originally posted by: EyesOpenMouthShut
a reply to: roadgravel

Maybe they will, i just can't wrap my head around why murder is ok when a person without a weapon in their hand charges.

I can't understand the military concept of collateral damage being ok. When I discharge my duty weapon I'm responsible for where missed rounds go.

Combat and civilian law enforcement are not the same.

originally posted by: EyesOpenMouthShut
a reply to: roadgravel

Maybe they will, i just can't wrap my head around why murder is ok when a person without a weapon in their hand charges.

I can't understand the military concept of collateral damage being ok. When I discharge my duty weapon I'm responsible for where missed rounds go.

Combat and civilian law enforcement are not the same.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: EyesOpenMouthShut
anyway, What im getting at here is the typical officer has three non lethals on their person. a taser, a baton, and pepper spray. Not one of these were used before the guy was killed

Use of force continuum does not require a step by step escalation. The guy going for an officers gun made it a deadly force encounter. His size compared to the officers is a consideration. If the persons appears to be under the influence its a consideration. The number of people present is a consideration, which in this case there are two suspects. The fact he went hands on and hit the officer is a consideration. What the suspect states it a consideration.

The number of officers present is a consideration. Public at large is a consideration.

All within a few seconds.

You are tunnel visionary onto one area while ignoring ALL info present.

I agree that it isn't step by step but disagree that it doesn't require it because it should.
Im not actually tunnel visionary and consider all the available information, i just choose to argue the issue of unnecessary killing. where the majority see no issue with taking life in the situation, it could have been avoided but the officer chose to kill him

originally posted by: jholt5638
a reply to: Sremmos80

Posting for reference for later tonight.

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Dude, thanks for that CNN audio link, hadn't found that and all CNN video streams require a cable-company login, totally useless to us poor folks, lol! I will add it to the stream thread tonight.

a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut

No the officer chose to atop the threat.

It does not matter if u agree on use of force / subject resistance control and its application. As a police officer I'm telling you how it applies, both under state and federal laws as well as scotus rulings.