the green flame

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Cool, thanks for that tidbit of info. Funny, all this talk of "stuff" in the sky is effecting my driving ability when I go to work in the morning. I leave the house about 4:30am and can see a good distance from a higher vantage point during my drive in and I find myself looking up and scanning the horizon almost every time I have the chance to. Lol. Haven't hit anything yet but I'm lucky there aren't too many cops on my way.

a reply to: Sammamishman

Dude I walked into a parking meter a few nights ago while walking to the corner because I now have a habit of staring at the same patch of sky I've seen most of the sightings. One of these days I'll be lucky if I don't accidentally walk into traffic trying to sky watch.

As for a ne for the aircraft how about IVY green plant that grows quickly able to climb and spread anywhere. Or poison ivy.. If you are a batman fan

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker
As for a ne for the aircraft how about IVY green plant that grows quickly able to climb and spread anywhere. Or poison ivy.. If you are a batman fan

RF-113 Soaring Kudzu..

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker
As for a ne for the aircraft how about IVY green plant that grows quickly able to climb and spread anywhere. Or poison ivy.. If you are a batman fan

RF-113 Soaring Kudzu..

I prefeer..Mean green. Or if you liek plants...Sticky icky lol.

Andorian if you liek green skinned babes in styar trek.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Sammamishman

it might not be along the entire flight path in my opinion. I believe it only uses the green during certain parts of it's flight path, during a critical stage. going green could have been a way to transverse a troublesome envelope. but i also believe that it can go green at will at various stages and enjoy the benefits.

So, does the green button say "GFG* injection on"

* Go Fast Juice

a reply to: mbkennel

No, it's marked Nitrous.

Boranes! I need more boranes!

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Sammamishman
One thing i noticed is that the stream of green is a deep green (like nyquil green the green lingers almost like a laser in the exhaust trail) , yellow at the source, the green lingers almost like a laser in the exhaust trail for a while. maybe remains glowing from being ionized? It is also steady and doesn't have many inconsistencies as far as lumps in the exhaust or contrail. more like streak that grows in size up to point before fading. And although she travels fast, not literally meteor fast. I was able to watch it for several seconds at least 5. And the green only took up a certain section of the sky's length. Not from horizon to horizon.

This reminded me of something...

Your description seems more consistent with something like this:


Than this:


I wouldn't exclude the boron compound from the dressing of this pretty lady yet, most of all because imho it could be required to kick her gears up to the point in which "another" kind of propulsion takes over for the interesting part of her dance, but as i said at the start of my post it reminded me of something else.


...ever noticed how similar the designs of the SR-72 and the Ayaks are?

Which in turn, could maybe explain what some people saw ahead of the green lady during her trips.

Just food for thought obviously, this is nothing more than speculation on my part.

a reply to: CiTrus90

Interesting post.

It's possible. I like the something is getting injected into the fuel line idea myself. I don't think they would want the geen wonder to be visible through out the entire flight path.

But that being said. The internet has speculated plenty that there was a "SR-75 & 74." I don't know if any of it is true but what they were describing was a valkrie like bird supposedly named the "SR-75" that piggybacked a smaller plane called the "SR-74" that would launch after being carried up to a certain altitude. The smaller bird "SR-74" was supposedly able to deliver small satellites into space before gliding back down to earth to land somewhere. I would imagine they would use rockets for this little bird if it existed. But rockets even at high altitude might be easy to see for foreign spotters looking for that sort of stuff. It would make sense to use some sort of engine that gave a less noticeable signature. Some have speculated that the little plane used some sort of MHD engine. It could be completely true, semi true or complete crap for all I know.

Now I would imagine the govt. would want a bird that can launch satellites and small payloads into space. But they would also want something that would do what the Sr-71 could do but much better. I would think that they would at this point decide to branch the project into two separate projects. A single stage earth to orbit craft to deliver the mini satellites. And a dedicated Sr-71 aircraft that could maybe do some of the rolls that were originally conceived for it to do. I would have abandoned launching super expensive satellites via some piggy backing procedure where the small delivering craft and the mother ship could crash into each other at high speeds during the launch procedure and ruin everything.

Personally I don't think the SR-72 looks like anything the pictures depicted of it show, with the barn door sized intakes on the bottom and the aerodynamics of a lawn dart. I think you would want a stable design that's been experimented with plenty. Engines on top. Something that would generate great lift in thin atmospheres and be stable at high speeds and low. I feel that the SR-72, if she exists or whatever they would call her, has a lot of features that wouldn't jive with the depictions of her. So I don't think the Ajax and the SR-72 look alike. Is there some American craft that looks similar to the ajax I don't know. Maybe. But I don't know.

Also they were/are experimenting with lots of things that go fast.. Didn't the internet also speculate that there is/was some sort of pumpkin seed shaped high speed craft that would ignite boron or something similar on the outside of the hull to slam it forward and create thrust?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
A single stage earth to orbit craft to deliver the mini satellites. And a dedicated Sr-71 aircraft that could maybe do some of the rolls that were originally conceived for it to do. I would have abandoned launching super expensive satellites via some piggy backing procedure where the small delivering craft and the mother ship could crash into each other at high speeds during the launch procedure and ruin everything.

Right, I don't see how the two missions would be remotely compatible.

Horizontal take-off launcher: make it a long two+ stage craft, all unmanned.

first stage is air breathing, reusable. Second stage is conventional rocket, on the front end.

Doesn't need to maneuver much, but it needs to get a little bit up, and a whole bunch of sideways very fast to put something in orbit.

If there's a SR-72 for strategic recon it probably looks like the SR-71 with a special argon-pressurized 'goes up to 11' tank.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I think that's how the X-37 came about. I believe they dabbled in mothership/SSTO's in the past but it turned out to be more expensive/dangerous than they hoped and less reliable than current launch methods.
Eventually they will have a true, from ground level SSTO vehicle (like SABRE promises), but for now the X-37 fits the AF's needs enough to fill the gap.

All one has to do is look at the projected USAF projects to get a feeling for what is already out there. The USAF and other branches do future timelines like: "USAF 2025" and whatnot.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I heard about the SR-74/75 or the Blackstar (which is quite similar in concept, so with a grain of salt i'd say they're probably the same concept), but i don't think this is the identity of the lady in green.

If i were to build a hypersonic plane, capable of delivering payloads (be either weapons or satellites) and doing the job of a SR-71, i'd think about building a single plane that doesn't need a carrier aircraft or external rockets to rely on.

A carrier aircraft/rocket would increase costs and the number of possible failures, both technically and tactically speaking.

So, if i were to and had the capabilities for it, i'd make an aircraft that can take-off, fly its mission and come back all by itself, with world wide reaching capabilities without the need for in-flight refueling and strictly based only in the CONUS.

These, most probably, would be the requirements i'd work on.


As you too, i don't think the boron-compound fuel is used in the whole part of her flight for 3 reasons mainly:

- it would chew on turbine blades

-the exhaust would be filled with particulate and thus highly visible

-that constant green flame would be like lightning up a frigging giant neon which reads “hey, i'm up here! Look at me, look at meeee!!”

So i'd think a better use for such a zip fuel would be only when hitting the full A/B.


Now, as far as we know, conventional jet engines don't work well for pushing planes over mach 3, so if we wanted to go faster we would need something else. Here comes in handy a ramjet (which is not really suitable for speeds over mach 6 though) or a scramjet. Both of which lack air compressors, meaning that in this case the boron fuel wouldn't have much to chew on.

But, for making a ramjet/scramjet able to work, you need to reach certain speeds and heights, so you'd still need a conventional engine to take the ramjet/scramjet up and all worked up for making its magic. And this is exactly why i'm thinking about what Lockheed Martin published in its drawings: a combined cycle engine system that could solve the above issue i mentioned.

But, what about fuel? Either this aircraft is huge and doesn't need to refuel, or this aircraft does indeed refuel (but this would be in contrast with one of ""my"" hypothetical first requirements for it), or this aircraft uses some other kind of fuel in its mid-flight.

So, what if the laser-like trail the green lady is leaving behind her was some sort of ion thruster? And this why i'm thinking about the Ayaks and its MHD generator. And honestly, i'd be surprised if only the ruskies would've been able to come up with that idea.

originally posted by: CiTrus90
a reply to: BASSPLYR



But, what about fuel? Either this aircraft is huge and doesn't need to refuel, or this aircraft does indeed refuel (but this would be in contrast with one of ""my"" hypothetical first requirements for it), or this aircraft uses some other kind of fuel in its mid-flight.

Remember, there are still a number of KC-135T models in active service out there.

Areospike engines...

I don't think the X37B is used for those purposes Samm. If the Govt. wants to launch stuff like mini satellites for the NRO or what have you they would probably want to do it in a sneaky way. Can't risk opsec and put it on some Russian or European model. Will be obvious if the US launches a rocket into space by all other foreign nations. SO I believe it was paramount for them to find a way to get that stuff up there without people witnessing it. A single stage ground to space orbiter of some sort would be perfect.

As for the supple and nubile Laira over there. I think she works what her mama gave her and utilizes some long legs. Like she got twice the range of say the old SR-71. But I still think she needs to refuel eventually.

As for possibly dumping something into the fuel. I think it's part of a wet burn and that it's explodes behind the aircraft.

a reply to: Sammamishman

Do we ever have cool stuff around here neighbor?

a reply to: BASSPLYR

They have special boats that can launch rockets into space from the middle of the ocean.

a reply to: Domo1

Military? Occasionally but you have to know where and when to look. I haven't been able to catch anything amazing, YET. I'm still waiting for the KC-46 to take flight. There is some interesting stuff over at Boeing field from time to time as well.
On the commercial side though, this is the place. Anything Boeing rolls out is going to make it's first flight here and test over our heads and in E. Wa. FR24 is the best way to track those flights.