Dressed for war- ferguson police

a reply to: xDeadcowx
Wrong. I found information outside the media. Nice try.

I also compared multiple sources. Read what I posted again. I disbelieve the media, particularly the MSNBC interview.

And, I have passed zero judgements, aside from these simple facts.

Half of the people posting know little to nothing of the background story, and are, themselves, buying into the spoonfed media tripe about the cop attacking this "kid" for "no reason"., and in response to that, are having emotional, knee-jerk reactions.

So, you have your opinions, I have mine. Sadly, I see a LOT of people being manipulated by the media and that's sad to me.

But as far as judging the event? I have no opinion, but I do have differing facts. So, I see the story from a far different angle. Sue me.

I haven't made any decision, one way or the other, because, just like with the Zimmerman case, we don't have enough information!

I can say, there are reports that the officer's face was severely beaten, his eye was still swollen shut as of yesterday.

I would also like to ask, if Michael was shot twice in the back, he had on a white shirt, and the photos of his body were pretty clear, where are those shots in the back? You can see nothing in the pictures. No damage to the clothing, no blood, no nothing.

So easy to believe something, when the pictures are right there. Go look them up.

I question everything, at this point. Why would the officer have a black and blue face, and his eye swollen shut? But no physical confrontation ever happened? Reminds me of Zimmerman. Again.

But, until we see the images, and see the back of the shirt, and hear the radio calls, we just won't know. But, the people on the street, and his mother feel they know enough to call for the death penalty. Wow. Must be nice to be psychic.

a reply to: Libertygal

Seriously, Gal.

You say you're getting your info from another source??? Who or Where???

Otherwise who cares what you have to say!! How does anyone know you aren't just making it up???

Nothing you've said so far fits any reports I've read at all. Neither the Liberal media nor the Conservative Media outlets have said anything like what you're saying!!

Either you explain how it is that you of all people just happen to have insider access to all this info or I'm saying you're pulling it straight out of your.....you know. I'm not insulting a woman this early in the morning...Bad for my karma.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Thefarmer
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Part of the militias that went to the bundy ranch

I think they should be on route to ferguson really as this is more likely where there needed more

You don't get militia support for rioting in your own town, destroying your own surroundings. Sorry.

No but you do get militia support for deadbeats who don't pay their bills and make violent threats against the Feds.

a reply to: tetra50
I never labeled "all racists", and I resent that you keep stating that. Go back and re-read the post. I said sone people keep trying to make it about race. Seems I struck a nerve or two. Sorry for that.

Truth is truth. I also said that it doesn't matter what race the cop is, and that it is rather strange the.media had intentionally blocked that information, yet, some media types are continuing to make it a racial matter, and the typical race baiters have flocked into town.

Again, no one can deny the reality of Al Sharpton, et al, Jesse Jackson, race hustling is what they DO. It is how they make a living. They made SO much off the Trayvon Martin case, that they are using that outline, to the letter on THIS case.

In no way have I passed any judgements, I did, however, emplore, beg, people to stand back and look at the big picture, and understand the media manipulation that is taking place, and to not get caught up in it again.

So, if thats a bad thing, sue me. Not passing judgements on anyone, so you can stop repeating that. No matter how many times you say it, doesn't make it true with me.

My posts speak for themselves, to the people that know and understand me. Sorry if you took a knee-jerk response, or misundesrtood my post. Perhaps you should re-read it again.

And yes, race was discussed, quite a lot. Thats what made me irritated enough to post. Because, as I said, no one knows. It has NOT been OFFICIALLY released. It shouldn't matter.

What should matter is the facts of the incident, an understanding of what took place, and sone civility and decorum needs to happen.

People would listen if some did not loot and burn down stores. Even the blacks in the community are begging for it to stop, stating it makes them all look bad. And, it does. That's some honesty, and people that proclaim that looting and violence is the only way to be heard are lying. It just procreates more violence. Period. The events have proven themselves out.

People were very impatient during the Zimmerman investigation, but I give the same reminder here. Innocent until proven guilty still stands in this country today.

And don't come back at me with "Well, Michael wasn't givn that chance!", because YOU don't know, nor does anyone else. Right now, what matters is, not lynching and ruining the life of someone who may or may not be innocent. Regardless of his race. Anything else is just fluff.

Let all 3 agencies do the work. Let all 3 investigations get done. All anyone is asking for.

a reply to: mOjOm
Don't worry, I don't feel insulted.



Crazy: Witness Speaks On The Murder Of Mike Brown!: youtu.be...

Here is a video of someone who states he was the friend with Michael Brown that day. Does that make this person Dorian Johnson? The guy with the attorney, in the previously posted MSNBC video, being interviewed by Al Sharpton? Sure does seem so. He sure cleans up nice.

Wow. Quite a comparison. Quite a different story, too. It changed rather dramatically, one might even say.

WARNING! Language!!



In this video, Dorian STARTS by telling how he shot into the car, after he had kicked the door open. And "bro was sayin', don't shoot, don't shoot", yet, in comparison to the MSNBC video, Bro was never in the car, and never managed to "get the words out".

So, which version do we believe? Hmm.

And, is that some MinuteMaid fruit punch and a bottle of codeine on the counter for some sizzurup? Gosh. Who DO we believe? He even left out the shooting him in the back part! Wow.

*taps finger on forehead, wondering*

For those saying the cop was somehow justified,

Lets say the first part is completely true, IF the kid had run away been shot a second time stopped with his hands in the air he was no longer a threat and lethal force is no longer justified.

There are many court cases around the nation of citizens shooting people that were no longer a threat and they got sent to prison because of it.

The body was found 30+ feet from the cop car, he was no longer a threat and was shot 5-6 more times... cop deserves prison time.

a reply to: Thefarmer

gas masks and face concealed. Guess they're not too proud of what they're doing.

originally posted by: Libertygal
In this video, Dorian STARTS by telling how he shot into the car, after he had kicked the door open. And "bro was sayin', don't shoot, don't shoot", yet, in comparison to the MSNBC video, Bro was never in the car, and never managed to "get the words out".

ok. BTW thanks for posting this. At least I know you're aren't making it all up now...

Just one thing though. You need to listen to that again. When he says "then he kicked the door open....tried to hit him with the door...hit him in the leg......he pulled his gun out and shot inside the car" He is talking about the cop. It's been verified already and stated that one shot was fired from in the car.

It's a little confusing at first, but listen to it again. He's not saying the kid had a gun. He's saying the cop opened the door, it hit Brown in the leg and bounced back. Meanwhile the cop is pulling his gun and shoots it in the car trying to shoot Brown.

Just listen to it again a couple more times...

a reply to: Thefarmer


It is a war zone there. Riots and out of control people. Looting and stealing. Doesn't matter what the cause is, order needs to be restored.

I'm no blanket supporter of the police, but the non-violent citizens of Ferguson do have a right to and an expectation of peace.

originally posted by: Libertygal

Here is a video of someone who states he was the friend with Michael Brown that day. Does that make this person Dorian Johnson?

No, I'm pretty sure this isn't Johnson. Similar hair style but one is Way longer. Plus his speech is completely different. From what I can tell he also talks about how the cops were asking everyone in the neighborhood for what they saw, as if more witnesses actually saw something. There is supposed to be some woman who actually had pictures too and gave them over to police already.

The good news is, according to your video, if we take this story as fact. It squashes any rumor of him stealing cigs from the store. He goes into detail about what a respectful "kid" Brown was. How polite and everything he is even when knocking on the door to your house.

Also, according to this guys story he talks about the investigators looking into it and what a good job they're doing. At least in his opinion. But he talks about how they were getting all the info down and were "getting to the bottom of it." Let's hope he's right..

Hello. Libertygal??? Anyone??? Is anyone else interested in getting to the bottom of this???

Somebody else want to check my version of this to make sure I'm on target still...

Point out where I may have made a mistake or anything perhaps???

Or just say "By George I think you've got it mister!!"....Something....

a reply to: liejunkie01

Born and raised in St. Louis Missouri. I have driven across the river to East St. Louis Illinois on many occasions. I have spent a great deal of time on the North side of St. Louis Mo. also, I have a few friends up there. The north side of town has it's rough areas, but what large old city does not?

The vast majority of the city is just regular folks. East St. Louis is in the state of Illinois, there is a really wide river and a good deal of industry separating the two cities.

Nothing is going to get out of hand here. The community of Ferguson is a good one, and I doubt they or any other black community will take the rioting any further.

I was told by a police officer that cops *love* to dress up and play "army" any chance they can get. Sure seems to be the case here.

"Oh! New shiny toys!"

a reply to: mOjOm

I think you've got it.

Second

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: mOjOm

I think you've got it.

Second

I think so too. Thank you BTW.

There are still a couple slight variations about a couple details, but so far nothing that changes anything serious. The basic layout of how things went down seems pretty clear and consistent.

Now, as long as everyone does their job correctly, justice will be served for once.

Glad you popped in, I was getting kinda lonely in here....

originally posted by: mOjOm

Just one thing though. You need to listen to that again. When he says "then he kicked the door open....tried to hit him with the door...hit him in the leg......he pulled his gun out and shot inside the car" He is talking about the cop. It's been verified already and stated that one shot was fired from in the car.

It's a little confusing at first, but listen to it again. He's not saying the kid had a gun. He's saying the cop opened the door, it his Brown in the leg and bounced back. Meanwhile the cop is pulling his gun and shoots it in the car trying to shoot Brown.

Just listen to it again a couple more times...

Excellent Mojom. I had to listen to it a couple times but the fact that this guy has the same story as a few others leads me to believe this is the closest to the truth. And I can totally see it too. I, myself, have been angry once or twice and flung my car door open and had it actually come back with enough force from the spring inside it to close before I could even get out of the car. And that only infuriated me more

That being said, this police officer must have been having a really rotten day and decided to take the world down with him.

a reply to: scghst1

It took me a few times too. In fact, when I first played it, I thought exactly what LiberyGal thought.

When I heard him, I was like, "Did he just say Brown was shooting inside the car???" Then after listening to it again a few time I realized it was just they way he said it and he was talking about the Cop shooting the gun in the car. Which is consistent with the reports and the testimony from Johnson and others who claim to have witnessed it too.

a reply to: mOjOm

I'm going to stay out of the vitriol that is always born out of incidents like this. The threads here on ATS are loaded with subtle but racial innuendo and rumor. From what I am hearing and reading, the initial witness testimony is the most accurate.

Some folks like to paint St. Louis as dangerous and backward because of this incident and it's demographics. The blacks, whites, Asians, and all the rest do just fine living here, and St. Louis is a beautiful city with beautiful friendly people.

The issue in my mind is that the county municipalities higher too many white suburbanite police to patrol areas that they have not a clue about concerning culture, tradition, and fear of police. Just a bad combo in my opinion. I think all police should reside in the municipalities they patrol.

a reply to: mOjOm

So after I went to sleep last night it seems the latest from twitter and the reporters is that there was a woman who was fired upon into her skull from an unknown suspect in a drive-by.

Another person who said to be holding a gun but actually running away from the police and shot at. Where do we draw the line on this "shoot in the back, ask later" mentality?!?

Source

This source sums it up for me in my head.
Group of people shooting shotguns in ski-masks (not okay)
Officer gives pursuit
Officers "says" man pulled a secondly concealed handgun on officer(I'm really doubting this)
Officer shoots man.
Man is still in hospital under critical care.

I really wish there was more on this second shooting but alas there isn't much since they reported it and then the scanners went nearly silent for almost half an hour afterwards and they blocked the entire location off from anyone at all following the incident. Who truly knows what happened but from the premise of all of this it would be just as safe to assume that the officer gunned the man down.