Ebola: Facts, Opinions, and Speculations.

so. i can't help but notice how the modern world prioritizes things.


case 1 - a talented, much-loved millionaire film star commits suicide;
worlds press/TV go into overdrive with eulogies, fellow stars' grief, soundbites and tweets


case 2 - an unknown doctor working at extreme risk to save ebola patients
contracts the disease and dies. minimal column inches and zero celebrity tweets.

go figure.

August 13, 2014 – The ECOWAS Commission announces with deep regret the passing of a staff member of its Lagos Liaison Office, Mr. Jatto Asihu Abdulqudir, aged 36.

In a statement, ECOWAS identified Mr. Abdulqudir, as a Protocol Assistant that was among those who assisted the Liberian delegate to a regional meeting Mr. Patrick Sawyer, who died from the Ebola Virus Disease at a Lagos hospital on 25th July 2014.

ECOWAS Staff, Jatto Abdulqudir Dies of Ebola Virus Disease

Another person affected by Sawyer's ignorance.





TheNew Zealanders have updated info for their health professionals:

In patients that meet the case definition:

·transmission-based precautions should be immediately implemented (contact and droplet), including the use of personal protective equipment.

·Airborne transmission precautions apply to aerosol generating procedures and in the laboratory

·the suspected case should be immediately notified to the local Medical Officer of Heath and the Director of Public Health at the Ministry of Health.

Ebola information for health professionals

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

More about the pregnant patient:

‘The lady attended ante-natal at First Consultant prior to the arrival of the Liberian, Mr. Patrick Sawyer. She was delivered of her baby at the hospital after which she was discharged. A few weeks later, Mr. Sawyer came around and was attended to by health workers. He was first treated for malaria, then typhoid, before there was high index of suspicion. He tested positive for Ebola and died. Then the woman, who gave birth at the hospital came back to the hospital for her baby’s immunization. The nurses who attended to Sawyer also attended to her. When she visited the place again last week, she discovered the place had been shut down for proper fumigation as a means of control against Ebola.” he said.

Seeing that the hospital has been shut down, the lady who had started showing signs of fever proceeded to the NNPC staff clinic which was close by.

‘She was first treated for Malaria. However, after some medical tests, there was a high suspicion of Ebola haemorrhagic fever. On Friday, the Lagos State’s emergency response team on Ebola virus came around and took her to the Infectious Diseases Hospital,” he added.

The management of the hospital after confirming she had the deadly virus immediately shut down the hospital indefinitely.

Confirming the doctor’s report, the Medical Officer of Health, Iru-Victoria Island Local Council Development Area, Dr. Wale Akeredolu, said the woman’s baby has been quarantined and is under surveillance

“The baby has also been quarantined to see if after the incubation period of two to 21 days, she would manifest the symptoms of Ebola.” he said

How Lagos nursing mother got infected with Ebola virus – doctor

This article.makes it sound like she was in the hospital and was attended by both nurses that attended Sawyer before they started showing symptoms. The nurse that died did so quite quickly IIRC.

According everything published about Ebola the disease is not contagious until symptoms appear. This reads like she was there the same time as Sawyer and that the nurse didn't wash or change gloves between seeing these two patients and cross contaminated this lady with Sawyers waste material. Very shoddy nursing practices. No wonder this country has a problem. They are lax in sanitation practices. Good God. . reply to: jadedANDcynical

Sorry in advance, if I am posting/quoting incorrectly.

The quoted text from the article about the pregnant woman, does not read anything like "she was there the same time as Sawyer". The very 1st line says, "The lady attended ante-natal at First Consultant PRIOR to the arrival of the Liberian, Mr. Patrick Sawyer." She delivered a baby at that hospital and was released. A few weeks after the woman had been discharged, Sawyer went to the same hospital with Ebola. AFTER Sawyer was treated for malaria & typhoid, infected the nurses, tested positive for Ebola and died, the woman returned to the hospital for the baby to get its immunizations. This is when she was exposed to the virus.

It also does not say or even imply that, "the nurse didn't wash or change gloves between seeing these two patients and cross contaminated this lady with Sawyers waste material." The article says, "nurses who attended to Sawyer also attended to her". These nurses could have easily been the same ones that treated Sawyer for malaria and typhoid before Ebola was even suspected. From article, "Sawyer was treated for " malaria, then typhoid, before there was high index of suspicion." I'm pretty sure safety precautions are different when treating malaria or typhoid than when treating Ebola or suspected Ebola.a reply to: AutumnWitch657

a reply to: ad1220

That's what i was getting out of the article from my reading.

Plus the nurse's own words should be considered also:

“I never contacted his fluids.i checked his Vitals,helped him with his food.(he was too weak)…..i basically touched where his hands touched and dats d only contact.not directly wt his fluids.@a stage,he yanked off his infusion and we had blood everywhere on his bed…..but d ward maids took care of that and changed his linens with great precaution.everypatient is treated as high risk …..if it were airborne,by now wahala for dey.i still thank God.”

“Friends,upto our uniforms n all linens were burnt off.we r on surveillance n off work till 11th. Our samples v long bn taken by WHO n so far we v been fine. For me,kudos to my hospital managt cos we work proffessionally wt every patient considered risk cos thats d training.had it been its a hospital where they manage ordinar gloves lik Govt hospital n some janjaweed private hosp..:lol….wahala for dey o.i must also thank Lagos Govt….infact! Even fed govt sef….all been supportive.im good n so r the others in d hosp…..”

link



From the CDC:

· Conduct the procedures in a private room and ideally in an Airborne Infection Isolation Room (AIIR) when feasible. Room doors should be kept closed during the procedure except when entering or leaving the room, and entry and exit should be minimized during and shortly after the procedure.

· HCP should wear gloves, a gown, disposable shoe covers, and either a face shield that fully covers the front and sides of the face or goggles, and respiratory protection that is at least as protective as a NIOSH certified fit-tested N95 filtering facepiece respirator or higher (e.g., powered air purifying respiratory or elastomeric respirator) during aerosol generating procedures.

· Although there are limited data available to definitively define a list of AGPs, procedures that are usually included are Bilevel Positive Airway Pressure (BiPAP), bronchoscopy, sputum induction, intubation and extubation, and open suctioning of airways.

· Because of the potential risk to individuals reprocessing reusable respirators, disposable filtering face piece respirators are preferred.

nfection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals

Compare that to what MSF has been working with.

Good deal. Started doubting I was capable of reading comprehension after reading your post and the 1st response you received.

Is the nurse's quote in response to what I said about safety precautions? Honestly I had no clue what protocol was for something like malaria. I guess what I was trying to say is that malaria is the lesser of two evils. If a lapse in judgment were to occur I think it would be more likely to happen treating something less threatening & more familiar than Ebolaa reply to: jadedANDcynical

Probably been answered already, but is the quoted nurse still testing negative? Maybe the nurse that died had mild symptoms when she was treating the woman with the baby, like mild enough she could ignore them or not notice. Showing symptoms =contagious, right? I will have to re-read the entire thread tomorrow.

Well if that's how it went then I have to go back to she didn't get Ebola there. The hospital personally were quarantined as soon as it was known that Sawyer had Ebola. The nurse got sick in quarantine (the first nurse who died) . Symptoms must be present to pass this on. No one is getting Ebola from someone who is carrying the disease but has yet to show symptoms. It is not contagious during its incubation period. So how did this lady get it? One story said a pregnant lady, another said a post partum lady. It's suspicious. The hospital claims it isolated any personally who came in contact with Sawyeras soon as it was known he had Ebola. So again how did this new mother get it?l
y to: ad1220

What's to understand. The celebrities are grieving a fellow friend. Someone they knew and worked with. They didn't know the doctor. Do they tweet about every person who dies? Lighten up. No one is staying this doctor wasn't a hero or unselfish. All medical personnel deserve to wear that badge everywhere in the world.
The actors are remembering a colleague. It's not twisted priorities. It's totally appropriate and expected.

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She says she was off work til the 11th?. Two days ago? How did this mother get it then? It's impossible. jadedANDcynical

The article say the nurse who attended Sawyer also attended her. It does not say after because after Sawyer was diagnosed every hospital personnel who attended him was isolated. It said that in several articles I read. The part about her not cleaning up was my assumption since she couldn't pass it on if she wasn't already sick and when she was sick she wasn't seeing patients she was in isolation. So again when exactly did this pregnant lady who already had her baby(?????) Contract the disease. ? reply to: ad1220

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Since this is a thread for conjecture, what if...

Moreover, patients usually only become contagious – and can spread the virus — once they start contracting symptoms. Prior to the onset of symptoms, it’s typically harder to spread the virus. Yet the onset of symptoms is usually quite severe. So it’s easy to recognize that a person is sick. Moreover, stricken individuals are less likely to travel about – and spread the virus — given their debilitated condition.

Forbes
If Ebola arrives in the U.S., stopping it may rely on controversial tools

The wording above certainly seems to call in to question the certainty that the disease is NOT communicable during the incubation period.

Granted, all of the currently avaialable published research states that to be fact.

But.

All currently availavle published research (and I've read LOTS of what's available, typically 1/3 to 1/5 of what I read I quote from) is based upon the older strain of this virus. The only published papers I've seen regarding this strain is genetic sequencing indicating a 97% match to ZEBOV (not a 97% certainty, they're 100% certain it is Ebola) to the original emergence of the disease.

Controversial tools:

During the H1n1 scare of a few years ago, we know that law enforcement officials in several states practiced a DUI roadblock kind of scenario in several states in which they were equipped with mock vaccine testing equipment to tell whether someone, or not, had been given the new vaccine against the virus. The roadblock consisted a large van for processing, a couple of buses and chase cars on the flanks to run down people who tried to avoid the checkpoint. According to my well-placed sources in Colorado, this was rehearsed over and over. These law enforcement officers were told that their families would be collected by DHS and protected in isolation against the spread of the pathogen and any resulting rioting. A highly decorated State Trooper from Kansas, Greg Evensen (Ret.), stated on my show that these families would be not held for safekeeping, they were to be held hostage to force the law enforcement officials to do the bidding of the powers that be.

The Ebola Crisis Just Went From Bad to Worse

Look at what is happening in Ferguson.

Martial law has effectively been established without having officially been declared.

When the wording from the CDC changed from 'there is no way there can be in a be an outbreak in America' to 'any outbreak will be small and easy to contain' I knew they knew it would be out of control.

originally posted by: ad1220
Probably been answered already, but is the quoted nurse still testing negative?

No, she is now positive and "clinging to life" as of two days ago. Source: allafrica.com...

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Take a look at the byline for the date the afticle was posted:

by ADMIN on Aug 8, 2014 • 7:53 am

Next take a look at when her post appeared relative t this:

But last week she posted the following at Igboville and disappeared:

www.southeastnigeria.com...

So this would have placed the timing of the events in her narrative at the end of July.

Saweyr was admitted (having denied ever coming close to contact with Ebola even after having tested positive), treated for other things, then performed his stunt of pulling out all inserts and urinating on those present, then the ward was cleaned as best they could.

After all of this is when the pregnant patient returned to have her baby's vaccines only to become infected by the nurse(s) who had previoisly attended Sawyer.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

WHO updated their data today with data through August 11, 2014. I've updated Charts 1 & 2 plus added and updated a new Chart 6 on the thread:

Ebola - my visual charts & projections based on WHO data

Here's the new chart, Chart 6:

Click the graphic to view a bigger version.

Chart 6 has the y-axis in powers of 2, so it shows at a glance how quickly the numbers are doubling. Basically, the number of cases has doubled about 11 times in a little more than 8 months.

jadedANDcynical, I think Chart 6 is in line with the information you've provided about the Basic Reproduction Number (R0). If R0 is approximately 2 (give or take a little) and if it is an average of about 2 or 3 weeks between generations (given the incubation time), I think Chart 6 looks like what one would expect.

This is scary. It's growing so fast and they say "From the smallest rural towns to national capitals, Ebola has affected nearly every corner of Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone. With the death toll near 1,000, health workers warn current statistics are low, as hostile residents flee medical professionals and threaten them daily with physical harm."

Although the death toll is currently at 1069 confirmed, this report was written a few days before WHO updated their charts.

source: www.breitbart.com...

I can only imagine how many there really are infected/dead. I pray this gets under control quickly, but I don't see how it will with us and most other countries flying into and out of Africa several times per day. ugh.

originally posted by: FarleyWayne

PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60ºC [140ºF], boiling for 5 minutes, gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads), and/or UV radiation (3, 6, 20, 32, 33).

UV radiation can inactivate Ebola?

Wouldn't the thread on Silver Solutions be the cure?

Silver Solutions (small silver molecules dissolved in water) would allow the silver (which irradiates at the same frequency as UV radiation) to bind to your body's hemoglobin (specifically the iron molecule in the center of hemoglobin). The red bloods cells would carry the silver molecules to every inch of your body (like it carries O2/CO2) inactivating each Ebola virus it comes in contact with?

Seriously, could the deadliest virus be cured with a simple drink of Silver Solutions?

Might be a good idea to research this possibility further.

God Bless,

This is what really happens in Liberia (text not for the faint hearted): dailystar.com.lb...

Those official "2000 cases and more than 1000 deaths"? I think we should multiply times 4. Or more?

a reply to: negue

Oh my, that is so sad. How awful.

Nigerian nurse skips Ebola quarantine to Enugu

ABUJA: A nurse who had close contact with a Liberian Ebola patient skipped quarantine in Lagos and went to her home in the eastern city of Enugu, where she made contact with 20 other people, the government said Wednesday.

Source dailystar.com.lb...

Talk about being irresponsible. I cannot believe the people would allow
her to come in the home knowing she was a nurse & possibly knew where
she had been working. Very selfish on her part if they all become infected.

Cheers
Ektar