Report: Hamas spokesperson attacked by Gaza civilians

originally posted by: thesaneone

Why not you seem to have the answers for anything against Israel.

That's exactly why I can't answer the question... Terrorism was a problem 66 years ago also. My attention span doesn't end at one month ago.

Well it's bound to happen. People will only take so much. Hopefully this is the "too much". I don't see how this absolves Israel in anyway though for their actions.

The problem is that Netanyahu doesn’t really want a Palestinian state.

He has said as much. When you see him claiming he does he blinks his eye at his militant supporters.
Here is his words:

mondoweiss.net...

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Lots of folks are talking about this. Last Friday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a press conference in Hebrew in which he stated that he would never accept Palestinian sovereignty in the West Bank because Israel’s security needs are too great in an era of Islamic radicalism. His remarks have been summarized by David Horovitz in the Times of Israel, with limited quotations.

“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan,” Netanyahu said, leading Horovitz to say: “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Just Bantustans, what we’ve observed again and again in recent years.

It’s clear this guy is stalling. Creating problems( like building settlements in the middle of peace talks all the time) over and over so they will avoid the final peace treaty where Palestine gets a state.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If they were a legitimate terrorist group, Israel wouldn't only be concerned with backyard rockets.

A few days ago this "backyard rocket" made it past Iron Dome and landed in the town where I work...



These are not Estes rockets, bottle rockets, or "glorified fireworks as many like to call them. They can be deadly if you are within 100 feet or so...

I'm sure it takes quite a bit of explosives to toss around a 2+ ton van.

a reply to: DarknStormy

I can do the same for all the backwards civilizations you seem to sympathize with for no practical reason at all. What's your point?

I hope its true, both sides are quite guilty and Hamas is definatly playing with the lives of the Palestinians they are supposed to represent.

a reply to: CommandoJoe
Thanks for a first hand perspective.

These are not Estes rockets, bottle rockets, or "glorified fireworks as many like to call them. They can be deadly if you are within 100 feet or so...

People need to google Fajr 3 and Fajr 5 so that they might appreciate what the 'bottle rockets' really are.... like their range and payload.

a reply to: CommandoJoe

I am not saying that what Hamas does is right and I do not support the murder or attempted murder of anyone.. When it comes to Israel, I don't like the regime and the regime only. I am the same with my lying government also who I'm pretty sure are influenced by the Zionist movement for some reason. I understand that people like yourself suffer because of the decisions of those a/holes..

My opinion isn't because of people like you, it is directed at the people who allow this crap to continue and it isn't just Israel either, it could be anywhere in the world. I hate seeing anyone going through hardship whether it's in Syria, Iraq, Palestine, even Israel.. It's all the same to me and orchestrated by the same pricks everytime.

originally posted by: f4rwest
a reply to: DarknStormy

I can do the same for all the backwards civilizations you seem to sympathize with for no practical reason at all. What's your point?

What makes your civilization better than the backward ones?

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: f4rwest
a reply to: DarknStormy

I can do the same for all the backwards civilizations you seem to sympathize with for no practical reason at all. What's your point?

What makes your civilization better than the backward ones?

I can't answer for someone else, but that whole cutting off the head because you pray a different way is enough proof for me.

originally posted by: butcherguy
I can't answer for someone else, but that whole cutting off the head because you pray a different way is enough proof for me.

Didn't stop the US government training and arming those people in Jordan and Libya and where ever else they came from.. They are actually a product of advanced civilization.

a reply to: DarknStormy
Simple answer is my advanced civilization does not remove your head because you pray differently than I do. Not sure when the US Government wrote the Koran, but whatever you say.

Backwards civilizations to me are those who are the most wealthy who don’t feed its poor while billionaires get richer and richer on paper. Do Justice for all not just the few who have the wealth to bribe the ptb.

Who is really civilized to me are those who protect the weak, the sick, and the oppressed.

People here judge “civilization” by what, wealth?

Ancient Rome was wealthy as they slaughtered people in the coliseum.

In the end it will be clear who is really “civilized” and who has the inner morality of the jungle.

Didn't someone say something like

"The meek will inherit the earth"

a reply to: Willtell
then the US is clearly a very advanced civilization. We have poor people that are grossly overweight and pay nothing for their health care.

originally posted by: CommandoJoe

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If they were a legitimate terrorist group, Israel wouldn't only be concerned with backyard rockets.

A few days ago this "backyard rocket" made it past Iron Dome and landed in the town where I work...

These are not Estes rockets, bottle rockets, or "glorified fireworks as many like to call them. They can be deadly if you are within 100 feet or so...

I'm sure it takes quite a bit of explosives to toss around a 2+ ton van.

The 20 kg (44 lbs) warheads they use will do it That's not huge but a m67 frag grenade weighs less than 1 lb. Do the math....

I laugh my ass off when I hear the bottle rocket analogy.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: DarknStormy
Simple answer is my advanced civilization does not remove your head because you pray differently than I do. Not sure when the US Government wrote the Koran, but whatever you say.

Well they didn't write the Qu'ran but One of the founders certainly did refer to his Qu'ran back in his day.



That must make Jefferson a head chopping terrorist.

a reply to: DarknStormy

That must make Jefferson a head chopping terrorist.

Just point me to the link showing where he cut someone's head off for praying differently than he did.

There are groups in Syria and Iraq cutting heads off for even less.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: DarknStormy

That must make Jefferson a head chopping terrorist.

Just point me to the link showing where he cut someone's head off for praying differently than he did.

There are groups in Syria and Iraq cutting heads off for even less.

Yeah I know, that's why I posted this before.

Didn't stop the US government training and arming those people in Jordan and Libya and where ever else they came from.. They are actually a product of advanced civilization.

I was talking about those people in Syria and Iraq.... Who did you think I was talking about? Aladdin and his Genie?

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: CommandoJoe

I am not saying that what Hamas does is right and I do not support the murder or attempted murder of anyone.. When it comes to Israel, I don't like the regime and the regime only. I am the same with my lying government also who I'm pretty sure are influenced by the Zionist movement for some reason. I understand that people like yourself suffer because of the decisions of those a/holes..

My opinion isn't because of people like you, it is directed at the people who allow this crap to continue and it isn't just Israel either, it could be anywhere in the world. I hate seeing anyone going through hardship whether it's in Syria, Iraq, Palestine, even Israel.. It's all the same to me and orchestrated by the same pricks everytime.

I can appreciate your position and agree to some extent, but when comes to Hamas it's much more than just not doing right - they are doing A LOT wrong and are a cancer on the Palestinian people, whereas Israel actually does quite a bit of good in the world and makes many contributions in the form of technology and innovation. I don't agree with everything Israel does, but if all other things were equal, I would much rather live under the Israeli government than Hamas rule. Even if I wasn't directly in the line of fire I would still take a hard stance against Hamas and support Israel in their action against them.

This is a tough situation for everyone and there is no simple solution. If Israel were to pull completely out of the West Bank and stop inspecting shipments to Gaza they would be under attack even more with bigger weapons because of extremists like Hamas. I know there are plenty of Palestinian people that want nothing more than to live in peace and the same can be said of the majority of Israelis (Contrary to popular ATS belief...). I'll leave you with a recent Facebook post by one of my Israeli friends (I'm an American working here long term for those that don't know) and you'll see there is no hate or hostility directed at anyone...

Hoping that this ceasefire will hold. I want to take this time to thank everyone who found their own special ways to support Israel. It means the world to us here and it is extremely appreciated and never taken for granted.
On a more personal basis, I cannot find words to express the feelings I have towards all those who not only supported Israel, but made it a mission in the last few months and even years to find out facts, to ask, research, question and finally sort of understand what goes on here in this incredible knot if mis/disinformation that is out there and really only a thorough understanding of history, unbiased as is possible, can lead to any opinion worthwhile listening to. Some did this!! Many know and understand...
The next level of "personal" is searching for words to express my emotions at all the support I have received. I have received international phone calls, emails, personal messages, whatsapps and many fb posts on a daily basis. In the madness of this war, this has been, to me, like a puffy pillow catching me falling from a height and has kept me sane and hopeful. We had something around 200 rockets fall on Ashkelon (Other towns had it even worse and I cannot fathom much worse really). It was insane. I realize how hard it must be to think of what to say and write day by day but each post was precious, each message a gem. Accounts of how people outside of Israel showed their solidarity were shared and deeply appreciated and not taken for granted, as were all sorts of good deeds that were done, prayers that were said and donations that were made... A thank you sounds far from what I feel. In all this black and doom, good shone through like stars in a dark, dark night, lighting the way for me, for others here and for you, to find their way in insanity. Thank you.
The heartbreak we feel at all the loss of lives on both sides is not even a subject that words can express. The heartbreak at the loss of our 64 young men (this round, this time) is something that has had a great impact on us. No eye stayed dry after watching funeral after funeral after funeral for 64 funerals. Please do not think for a moment that this in any way detracts from previous losses Israel has had. We mourn each and every loss. And we remember them. Still praying somehow for peace, for the time when our grancdchildren will no longer have to fight in a war, when our neighbors will be our friends...