Israel has broken my heart: I’m a rabbi in mourning for a Judaism being murdered by Israel

originally posted by: adjensen
Is Hamas innocent in all of this?

It seems to be politically correct to bash Israel for what they've done in the past couple of weeks, but as I recall, it was Hamas that started things.

If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.

If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

You're missing the issue. If a terrorist shot a missile from beside my house, does that give the air force the right to kill me and my family? That's what Israel is doing. On top of that, they've targeted children with missile strikes, hospitals, medical facilities and UN shelters. There is nowhere for the Palestinians to go. Then...they use sniper rifles to target palestinians out in the open trying to find shelter. We know Hamas is bad, but worse is some of the splinter groups and lone cells, like the ones that kidnapped the 3 Israeli teens. But does Israel need to one up Hamas by killing as many innocents as they can? They make the regimes in Syria and Libya and Egypt and Jordan and Saudi Arabia look like good.

If, say, Grand Bahama Island were a terrorist nation dedicated to the "destruction of the good ole U.S.A.

Grand Bahama and its people decide to start firing missiles at Miami at random. They send suicide bombers to Shopping Malls in the Southern U.S.A., they randomly blow up buses in New York and Boston then celebrate in the streets.

How long before the good ole U.S.A. turns Grand Bahama Island into a parking lot and builds a McDonald's?

Israel is surrounded by Nations dedicated to the same destruction. Screw Hamas, blow their collective asses away.

Good Old Human Behavior in the Holy Land at work.

The Holy Land as some call it a place that a clever individual created a story around which then convinced his clan to use to justify their defense of it.

In reality this is not new or unique, the difference is some how this particular story became a book which was then included in another book (the Bible) given away for FREE around the globe used by priests to manipulate the masses to ensure they perceive sacrifice to an overlord as their golden ticket into a realm that has NEVER been proven to exist.

When you then use this book as a cornerstone to western law governing the greatest military might on the planet of course the people written about in this book may get a sense that the story is literal and they then have the right to do want they want.

And why not, their GOD has drowned, smites, plagued, turned to salt, enslaved, and killed millions.

The disparity from one side of the wall (defensive or offensive) to the other is a reality check to all who perceive this HUMAN made problem.

The TRUTH is it is only one side that will NOT accept the loss of any of their perceived GOD GIVEN land and the rest of the world leaders have no intention to stand up and say enough for the continual conflict and chaos serves them as a continual distraction to their own politically (often corrupt) induced problems.

originally posted by: AnotherSorryGuy
If, say, Grand Bahama Island were a terrorist nation dedicated to the "destruction of the good ole U.S.A.

Grand Bahama and its people decide to start firing missiles at Miami at random. They send suicide bombers to Shopping Malls in the Southern U.S.A., they randomly blow up buses in New York and Boston then celebrate in the streets.

How long before the good ole U.S.A. turns Grand Bahama Island into a parking lot and builds a McDonald's?

Israel is surrounded by Nations dedicated to the same destruction. Screw Hamas, blow their collective asses away.

You forgot the part where the USA deprived that Island of water, electricity, food and medical supplies and kept an embargo around it so that nobody could leave said Island or receive anything, like Israel is doing to Palestine. That's the whole crux of the problem.

This has nothing to do with religious beliefs, it is land grab.

Look at the map, the strip is the goal. The people who live there just won't go. Just like the damn Indians in America refused to leave American lands. No difference.

What if the rhetoric was changed: Hamas is Palestine's legal ARMY. How does the entire process change? Why can't Palestine have an army to protect themselves from invaders who want their land?

It seems to me that is fully pays for Hamas to act in the best interest of Israel by always fighting. In wonder where those alliances really are?

a reply to: Willtell
Your "Rabbi" is a 60"S Berkley radical whose ultra progressive liberalism is profit based. This joker writes articles that the libs suck up. Sort of a liberals Rush. His "Rabbi" standing is much like those "Doctorate of Divinity" certificates that you get on line and his title is not recognized by main stream Jewish religion.

Link

A former 1960s Berkeley radical, Michael Lerner is the founder of Tikkun magazine, a publication whose philosophy is an admixture of Old Testament teachings, medieval cabala mysticism, and Sixties-style campus Marxism. Lerner identifies himself as a duly ordained rabbi. But in fact he was given a controversial private rabbinic ordination by “Jewish Renewal” rabbis, whose ordinations are recognized only by those within the Jewish Renewal community and Reconstructionist Judaism. Orthodox Judaism, the Reform movement’s Central Conference of American Rabbis, and the Conservative movement’s Rabbinical Assembly all consider such ordinations invalid.

a reply to: whywhynot

Truth and facts transcend your labels that don’t mean anything.
All the anti-Israel conservatives far outweigh the liberal radicals who are very pro Israel in the US senate,
So you bringing left-right politics is irrelevant
This is right wrong
Good versus evil
Israel is EVIL

a reply to: Willtell

Just saying not to present this "Rabbi" as a Rabbi because he is not. What he writes is his truth but not particularly an informed truth. Glad that the libs are giving him a lot of their cash. I doubt that he has ever even been to Israel.

BTW here is a Facebook post from this impostor:
November 24, 2013
Want to celebrate the first national liberation struggle against Western imperialism? If so, please join me and the Beyt Tikkun community for a Chanukah celebration I'm leading this Friday, Nov. 29th in Berkeley (you don't have to be Jewish...
Rabbi Michael Lerner
November 24, 2013

a reply to: johngrissom

Oh was that a crap post if I ever saw one. Those tunnels for your information, are the life lines for Gaza since the 80's. They're not new and no one should be surprised they're there. Those tunnels bring in 750 million a year so 3 million is a s small price. What garbage propaganda that was.

originally posted by: adjensen
Is Hamas innocent in all of this?

It seems to be politically correct to bash Israel for what they've done in the past couple of weeks, but as I recall, it was Hamas that started things.

If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.

If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

The point being made here is that Hamas, the PLO and other insurgencies wouldn't have been organized had it not been for the forced exodus through violence, massacres and six decades of systemic abuses of authority against Arab Israelis and Palestinians.

I feel so relieved that finally the world is having a real conversation based on historical facts and not the dogmas of current affairs.

Shalom and Assalamu alaikom.

originally posted by: Gianfar

originally posted by: adjensen
Is Hamas innocent in all of this?

It seems to be politically correct to bash Israel for what they've done in the past couple of weeks, but as I recall, it was Hamas that started things.

If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.

If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

The point being made here is that Hamas, the PLO and other insurgencies wouldn't have been organized had it not been for the forced exodus through violence, massacres and six decades of systemic abuses of authority against Arab Israelis and Palestinians.

I feel so relieved that finally the world is having a real conversation based on historical facts and not the dogmas of current affairs.

Shalom and Assalamu alaikom.

You missed a few wars in the middle of that history lesson.

a reply to: buster2010

You are correct.... Why should Muslims get 99% of the Middle East....

oh wait... lol are you referring to that tiny slither of land?

originally posted by: hoth12

originally posted by: Gianfar

originally posted by: adjensen
Is Hamas innocent in all of this?

It seems to be politically correct to bash Israel for what they've done in the past couple of weeks, but as I recall, it was Hamas that started things.

If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.

If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

The point being made here is that Hamas, the PLO and other insurgencies wouldn't have been organized had it not been for the forced exodus through violence, massacres and six decades of systemic abuses of authority against Arab Israelis and Palestinians.

I feel so relieved that finally the world is having a real conversation based on historical facts and not the dogmas of current affairs.

Shalom and Assalamu alaikom.

You missed a few wars in the middle of that history lesson.

Could you please be more specific?

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: buster2010

You are correct.... Why should Muslims get 99% of the Middle East....

oh wait... lol are you referring to that tiny slither of land?

That's largely a semantical argument which doesn't address Israel's shameful human rights record over the past six decades.

a reply to: adjensen
Get the left right paradigm firmly out of your noggin.
The thread is not about Hamas.
The thread is about a Rabbi whose heart is broken.

How do you know that? And erm no , I think you should check your facts... Even isreal admitted that hamas didnt take the kids... But isreal sure as hell killed those kids on the beach... And besides even if hamas DID kill the kids, even if hamas DID fire rockets... Even if hamas killed 90% of isreals civilians. What the hell has it got to do with palestinian civilians?

Am I really supposed to think isreal cant defend itself from murderers without having to carpet bomb? ??? Tell me... If say there was a killer loose in isreal... Would isreal bomb its own civilians to get the bad guy?

Think about that...

Edit: Comment for adjenson, musta clicked the wrong button.

originally posted by: adjensen
Is Hamas innocent in all of this?

It seems to be politically correct to bash Israel for what they've done in the past couple of weeks, but as I recall, it was Hamas that started things.

If Israel announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… the nation would be destroyed.

If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

It would be wise of you......to realize that NOTHING this country does, resembles in ANY way fashion or form, the Glorious Israel of your AFTERMATH of total destruction and return of the Messiah.

It does not resemble the lies, or truths of ANYTHING you think of it!

The SCRIPT-ures have you all believing that these things are all FORE-TOLD, by God like prophecy, but really it is all just following orders, of something else entirely.

But deep down you pine for your Jesus, that does not and never did exist...to return and crush the rest of us heathens into realizing who "GOD" really is.

You do not open your eyes beyond a slit, to realize the verse, "None can see that WILL not see", was actually talking directly to ALL the religious, In the WORLD.

Which is pretty much everyone in one shape or form.

How hard is it , to see that your GOD, would not be commanding any of these type of tactics, are you trying to tell me that GOD, is commanding that this goes on?

I know that you do , because all the Christians are even worse propagandized than the Jews or Muslims, and you are only given peace since you are completely docile, and fully support the complete belief that any of this is a war between your GOD, and some DEVIL.

This simplistic garbage will end VERY soon, and all your wars will try and start now, all of your allies will turn against you, and you can pray till the END OF TIME, that someone can come and end it.

And when they DO, you will see it as the BIGGEST THREAT EVER, because your picture of everything, is just that a total DELUSION , that has been picked for you!

Every religion is a tool of LIES, at the HEART.....GATEKEEPERS OF TRUTH,

Time to BLOW THE DOORS OFF!!

Hamas apologists are annoying.

Differing perspectives of the situation are clearly evidenced by, and indicators of, one's bias, knowledge, worldview, and understanding.

No war, no battle, no skirmish, can be so squeaky clean as to avoid death and destruction, in fact, the object thereof is exactly that.

One should consider the capacity of destruction vs. the reality of same. Should the reality equate the capacity then all out war would have been achieved, in the case with Israel in this situation, she actually remains quite constrained in her approach, with minimal casualties.

a reply to: sosobad

What truth exactly is in those two pictures? The first one is a line pushed by the IDF, we have yet to see anyone corroborate this statement just another case of having to take their word for it and the second one, did you make that yourself? It looks like a crude photoshop pic that my nine year old nephew would make.

The second photo was put out by the IDF.

a reply to: johngrissom

"Hamas tunnels" are also used to smuggle food and other goods into the country that would otherwise be prevented from reaching the country due to Israel's illegal blockade...that really is the primary use of these tunnels...not to attack israel...