Israel has broken my heart: I’m a rabbi in mourning for a Judaism being murdered by Israel

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: aboutface

Indeed. This area should be respected as a valuable part of human heritage. Religion, as archaic as it was, did produce some great artists.

This part of the world is where all of the biblical prophets came from. It is not right for one group of people to dominate the whole area it should be open to peoples of all the Abrahamic religions.

It is Judaism being in the minority.

I don't think Israel is violating the teachings of Judaism.

I have cross referenced verses in Talmud relating to the treatment of Gentiles and they are doing exactly what is told in their religion regarding the treatment of Gentiles.

Talmud is the most authoritative book in Judaism and its teachings have existed in the times of Jesus through the Pharisees.

It is believed in Talmud that Gentiles are sub-humans and can be exploited/harmed without consequences to their religion. An act that would be sin against a Jew is not a sin against a Gentile.

Israel breaks my heart as we'll. Even some Jewish people are against Israel now. More and more countries are against it. However, until the U.S. is against its violent policy(ies) nothing will change.

originally posted by: aboutface
a reply to: Willtell

It's broken my heart too. What is being done at the moment is an abomination. The holy land has been desecrated.

I'm not really sure what's so holy about a land that's been stained with more blood and conflict than any other I can think of... But the land of which you speak is a crime scene, and the crimes keep occurring with both sides screaming: one screams "terrorist" and the other screams "oppression."

I'm not sure who said it, but it bears repeating: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

originally posted by: adjensen


If Hamas announced that they would no longer fight tomorrow… peace.

You are naive if you really believe this.
When the Hamas would quit, maybe just disappear, a lot of young people with a lot of hate in their hearts would start fighting against Israel.
You have to consider how Gaza is treated by Israel all the time, wether it be freshwater supply or other rights. The people there just want to live a normal life.
If Israel does not give it to them, they will fight.... be it Hamas or normal people, but they would still continue to fight for their rights.

a reply to: Willtell

Ditto.. My heart is broken too.

You know, it might be okay with Hamas to use children and innocents as human shields. That's the kind of people they are.

But it's not okay with me, and it shouldn't be okay with Israel. : (

a reply to: ugmold

The Balfour Declaration

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

published in Times 9 of November 1917:


On November 1918 the large group of Palestinian Arab dignitaries and representatives of political associations addressed a petition to the British authorities in which they denounced the declaration.

...we always sympathized profoundly with the persecuted Jews and their misfortunes in other countries... but there is wide difference between such sympathy and the acceptance of such a nation...ruling over us and disposing of our affairs

a reply to: Willtell

Yep!

a reply to: mekhanics

I don't see Palestinians supporting Israeli actions, but I do see the very opposite. Very telling to those who support the disproportional violence in Gaza.

a reply to: Willtell
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Willtell your Israel-bashing post seems more about fraud and misrepresentation than truth.

A. there are no "palestinian" people, the moslems inhabiting Gaza and the west bank are largely the rejects from the neighboring arab countries, steming from the 1947 civil war and the 1948 united arab (Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon) attempt to exterminate the Hebrews with their country (Palestinian Mandate lands west of the Jordan river); revisited in 1967, 1973 and shifted into a local 'Israel-palestinian conflict' in the 1980s.
btw, that 1967 war, the jews took BACK the 'west bank' Jordan stole in the 1948 war. It is not 'occupied' by jews, it was ceeded to the jews in the british two state solution wherein the brits gave 3/4 of the mandate to the arabs (lands east of the Jordan River), leaving 1/4 to the jews (lands west of the Jordan River, i.e. present day Yisrael.) The scam, giving that 'west bank' plus gaza to the "palestinians" would add another 1/8 to the 3/4 the moslems already hold leaving the jews with 1/8 instead of the ENTIRE Mandate the jews were supposed to get back in 1923.

B. the zionist (i.e. talmudic-rabbis) in control of Yisrael have NO intention of going back to a Torah based operation of the country as demonstrated by letting the moslems keep control of Temple Mount (Har haBayit) thus blocking any attempt to restore Temple operations and the worship of the 'one True G' those same moslems go on about.

C. "anti-Semitism" do you mean anti jew or anti arab as both are semitic in origin.

D. "Tikkun is the most virulently anti-Israel screed ever published under Jewish auspices" and that "support for Tikkun is support for the enemies of Israel" Alan Dershowitz (2006 Oct)


Gaza rocket attacks from Hamas have escalated from 6 on June 27, 2014 to more than 160 on July 8, 2014; targets included a day care center, summer camps, schools, and homes, the clear intention being to target and murder as many Jewish civilians as possible.
These attacks follow days during which the UN and the Obama administration issued repeated calls for Israeli "restraint" - in effect attempting to diminish Israel's essential right of self-defense.
"Its wholly unjustified rocket attacks on Israeli citizens, as well as building of tunnels for terrorist purposes, show the organisation's murderous intent and practice towards Israel and its citizens," said british Foreign Secretary (as of 15 July) Philip Hammond.
rocket fire ref

Hopefully, this rabbi and many others will stand together and call for open borders in Israel where all people of the world can live if they so choose. Israel needs lots and lots of diversity. The land belongs to god(tell all them religious nuts that anyway and let any race or religion live there and be governed by many different races and religions, that way it isn't one religion controlling everything.

originally posted by: seasoul
a reply to: SubTruth

Within objective truth lies subjective truth and within subjective truth lies objective truth; within order lies chaos and within chaos lies order; within reality lies illusion and within illusion lies reality.

Spin away.....I tend to see things in simple terms good/evil........truth/fact. All personal truth is subjective. So many people have a hard time understanding this simple......Fact.

a reply to: SubTruth

Seems you're living in your own little world buddy

truth   Use Truth in a sentence

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emphasis added by me

If truth is subjective then everything mankind has come to understand is as meaningful as sawdust, thereby life itself having no meaning other then our pointless assumptions. Facts prove truths. The quote he made about the lion, went completely over your head and had nothing to do with religion, as much as it had to do with philosophical fundamentalism. Truth is fundamental to knowledge. Without that binary/dichotomy (true/false) every known system would fall apart at the seams.

If you want to argue that mans interpretation of what Truth is, is subjective, then you're correct. You're a perfect living example of that happening in real-time. I hate to say it, but you're wearing your alias; however that of course depends on our interpretation of the prefix "sub".

a reply to: johngrissom
Honestly do they really know how much was spent on the tunnels and honestly do they really know if the tunnels were new or even built by Israelis? or who??? it's so easy to spin this though, because tunnels under Israel do go all the way back into antiquity.... for those who do not know anything maybe it seems like a shocking revelation...but really I can't see how they calculated what was spent on anything that really was there beforehand, whose books did they inspect to arrive at this number out of thin air? did the Israeli auditors get numbers from the tunnel building and improvement fund project ???


looks a bit like not so true propaganda if you ask me, even that graphic you have up there is not substantiated in any way in the facts, can you back that up or is it just more false propaganda? I put money on it you can't back up the claims in your nice graphic, no pun...
Which Tunnels and what's new and what's old? The Long History of the Gaza Tunnels, on the NPR Blog.

a reply to: adjensen

Nice try but doesn't work when Israel has piled up the body count of children and the western people have become all to aware of the atrocities committed.

Hamas is a problem as well but they didn't start this, Israel accused them of an act (which was later proven to have been carried out by some "small faction" i.e. the murder of the 3 Israeli's). They didn't agree to a ceasefire because they full well know that Israel will not honour any ceasefire or lift some of the sanctions (that were being presented as part of the deal by Hamas).

The only solution here is to boycott and sanction Israel (whether this happens before I die is another matter).

a reply to: angeldoll

You know, it might be okay with Hamas to use children and innocents as human shields

What a pathetic quote.

They are all Palestinians if you haven't worked that out so when a scumbag like the Israeli Regime murders hundreds of children, shreds their bodies to pieces, destroys any chance of the Palestinian people of regaining their humanity reading lines such as the one above is just a bit too much to stomach.

Maybe if Israel stopped fukking about and just plain did what they are planning to do, exterminate the Palestinian people with extreme prejudice we wouldn't have this song and dance.

I have lived long enough to know that the Israeli Regime will not change it's spots and once Hamas is gone it will find (and fund) another entity to act as their distraction to exercise the $13.1 billion US Tax Payer Dollars in military hardware.

Hard to believe you're Jewish. Hamas has been hurling rockets at innocent children and women in Israel, and Israeli's are supposed to live with the constant bombing. Hamas is executing peace protestors. Hamas hide its weapons in hospitals and children's school--but Israel is supposed to take the higher moral ground here?

Supporting a terrorist organization like Hamas is unforgivable....So much misinformation about the formation of Israel...Did you know Rothschild bought the Gaza strip long before there was an Israel? Did you know Moslem elders sold much of the land that is now Israel? It's true, but doesn't quite fit the Palestinian propaganda promoted by America's liberal media.

There are no such teachings in Talmud or any Jewish literature. More lies and misinformation from the Palestinian sympathizers who prefer terror and Sharia law to freedom and justice.

Israel was taking rocket fire and it isnt about jews and palestinians its about Israel and palestinians. Both sides need to make concessions. Palestinians need to recognize israel and forget about forming a 2 city country and Israelis need to give up on Israel being a vastly majority jewish state and absorb the palestinian territorries and the palestinians as Israeli citizens into Israel.

a reply to: Zoyd23

Read the op quote that answers your misinformation about the founding of Israel, FROM A JEWISH RABBI!

“And though as editor of Tikkun I printed articles challenging the official story of how Israel came to be, showing its role in forcibly ejecting tens of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 and allowing Jewish terrorist groups under the leadership of (future Israeli Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir) to create justified fears that led hundreds of thousands of other Palestinians to flee for their lives, I always told myself that the dominant humanity of the Jewish people and the compassionate strain within Torah would reassert itself once Israel felt secure.”

Nobody here supports HAMAS. HAMAS, an organization that Israel helped form in order to divide and conquer the Palestinians, is the best thing since sliced bread for Israel.

Their lunacy gives Israel an excuse to never allow a Palestinian state.

Every time peace negotiations get close what do the Israelis do to gut the talks?
Build settlements.

It happens every time.

Now that there is a legitimate party the Israelis can broker peace with in the West Bank, they will always entice HAMAS to do their stupid rocket attacks so they can have an excuse to continue the occupation.

“That belief began to wane in the past eight years when Israel, faced with a Palestinian Authority that promoted nonviolence and sought reconciliation and peace, ignored the Saudi Arabian-led peace initiative that would have granted Israel the recognition that it had long sought, an end to hostilities, and a recognized place in the Middle East, refused to stop its expansion of settlements in the West Bank and imposed an economically crushing blockade on Gaza. Even Hamas, whose hateful charter called for Israel’s destruction, had decided to accept the reality of Israel’s existence, and while unable to embrace its “right” to exist, nevertheless agreed to reconcile with the Palestinian Authority and in that context live within the terms that the PA would negotiate with Israel.

The reason for this present slaughter is that HAMAS has agreed to Join the moderate Palestinians and Israel, who don’t really want a peace agreement) went berserk. The US and Europe agreed with the HAMAS move or at least accepted it.

So Israel did their usual false flag thing with the three dead teenagers (which later turned out to be all lies and distortions by Israel) which started this last slaughter and murder est by the Israelis/