Youtube: How your religion appears to us nonbelievers

So what do you call an Atheist who wants to push their beliefs onto believers?

It's funny to hear atheism being championed as the one belief that's actually non-belief.

So atheists, at least him and the OP, believe they need to help the blindfolded children get out of their cages, which they consider to be "evil"? How is that not exactly like any other religious person? Yeah you don't believe in God, but the above proves at least a few atheists don't believe in God with religious fervor. What's the end game with that? At least a Chtistian can admit if they are evangelical or not. If this is how most atheists feel then I think it's safe to say they can't hide behind the lie, they are not religious, anymore.

As for the Bible thumping comments, I think it's ironic atheists come into this thread that has a video of a guy basically doing the atheist version of Bible thumping, and even mentioning Bible thumping.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
I get where he is coming from, and I have said on ATS before, IF, I didn't know what I know. I would be an agnostic for the very reasons he states. Also Pagans have/had God's, he should not have included them.

Modern paganism is not an organised religion. Thats why he mentioned them. Its not about god its about religion.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Accuracy is a matter of opinion in this case.
And even then, the video I showed you was specifically made to provide you, a believer, with insight as to how you can be viewed by outsiders.
Quibble about "accuracy", and by so doing dodge the understanding offered all you wish though.

a reply to: addygrace

You misunderstand sir.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

Lol accuracy is a matter of opinion? When you read a book such as Harry Potter or the giver is it hard to understand what the book is trying to get across ? Is it opinion or is there a proper way to interpret a text? Its definitely not opinion. There are rules of grammar and context that helps you understand the message. Also you seem to believe atheist are the only free thinkers in the world

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

I am assuming that was supposed to make sense?
The term is analogy, just by the by.

Also you seem to believe atheist are the only free thinkers in the world

Can I have some of what you're smoking please?
I never even hinted towards anything of the sort.

Take a step back and a few breaths and come back.
You're making yourself look like an idiot.
And I bet you're not actually one.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

Well I know what an analogy, thanks and that terms wasn't needed in my post. the analogy in the op definitely portrays atheist as the only free thinkers. You say I am making myself look like an idiot because I trued to get you to understand that accuracy is important. If non believers view our religion that way of course its easy to say we are wrong because you are redefining what we believe.

ya reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

No.
All you've done thus far is make declarations.

And how in the heck does this video redefine what YOU believe?
It is an outsiders opinion stating how your beliefs look to him.

What I'm getting is that you don't like the fact it isn't a congratulatory opinion.
And that's fine.
But trying to make it into something it's not is dishonest.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: addygrace

You misunderstand sir.

I'm not sure I'm following you. If I did misunderstand I apologize, but I think he's saying, to atheists God believers are children with blindfolds. The atheist sees this as evil. Atheists see this evil as something that needs to be stopped. He's saying this looks like hostility to those who believe in God, but they just want those who believe in God to be free.

Well that looks like Religion to me.

a reply to: addygrace

Maybe this'll help.
He's a neopagan.
Follower of Odin unless I remember incorrectly.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows

My point is that he has a negative out look on the faith because he has no idea what the faith is about which is obvious from parts of his analogy. Now you said accuracy was a matter of opinion here, but that makes no sense to me. The theology is clear and he doesn't know it.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: addygrace

Maybe this'll help.
He's a neopagan.
Follower of Odin unless I remember incorrectly.

Oh, I get it. He's not Atheist at all. Now that makes sense. He made it seem like Atheists, Agnostics, and Pagans were in the same boat. So yeah, I agree with you, he's wrong.

a reply to: addygrace

Um no.
He's correct.
That is how I, an atheist, sees the situation.
I'm just not hostile.
Or am I completely sure the experiment is escapable.
But eh.

That little bit of information I provided you was meant to be a hint to put you in the right direction.
And so understand what he meant because you re-evaulated your assessment and assumptions from the ground up.
But, all well.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Like I said you don't like the uncomplimentary nature.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: addygrace

Um no.
He's correct.
That is how I, an atheist, sees the situation.
I'm just not hostile.
Or am I completely sure the experiment is escapable.
But eh.

That little bit of information I provided you was meant to be a hint to put you in the right direction.
And so understand what he meant because you re-evaulated your assessment and assumptions from the ground up.
But, all well.

Well if you feel he is correct then my original point is correct. If a self proclaimed atheist says he wants to open the eyes of the children and free them from the evils of believing in God, then that is religion. If he's Pagan then I expect him to seem hostile to those who believe in God, because he has a religion. But an Atheist or Agnostic are not in the same boat as he. A true Atheist and Agnostic are supposed to be just unbelievers or not knowers.

So you see trying to get believers to open their eyes and be free of the evil would not be the intentions of an agnostic, because they are just claiming they don't know. As for an Atheist, why would they try and push this agenda on the believing? After all they simply don't believe in God.

So the guy in the video wants to align himself with Agnostics and Atheists but he can't if he has his own religion.

a reply to: addygrace

And still you misunderstand.
Good day sir or ma'am.....

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: addygrace

And still you misunderstand.
Good day sir or ma'am.....

I love that....You don't get it, goodbye.

We are conversing in an internet forum. Somebody makes a thread, we discuss it.

If I don't get it, fine. Explain it to me. What is your point of view? You said the guy in the video was correct, but you differ in that you aren't hostile. I didn't say anything about being hostile.

I said Atheists can't hold the same views as the guy in the video and still claim they're only unbelievers. Because the video has an agenda. The video tries to put all three groups into one, but that's not possible unless you want to redefine what an atheist and an agnostic are.

Your first reply to me was "you misunderstand sir". Ok...explain yourself, unless you're just saying you disagree with me. When you say I misunderstand, then there has to be something you understand that I'm not following. Yet you don't explain yourself. And then you say goodbye as if you're above it all.

a reply to: addygrace

No, no he is not wrong. Those are beleifs misnderstood most by abrahamic religions.

Being anti theist and militant atheist is not the same as just being an atheist. Most atheists dont even talk about religion at all.

Also i do not recall him even mentioning agnostic. You can be christian and agnostic.

He did not say specific religions were wrong, just that it is draining on someone to have all these different beleifs thrown out there and shoved in peoples faces.

The video is for people who do not understand. Not for every person of other beleifs.

a reply to: addygrace

You've proven explaining it to you is pointless.
You have the interpretation you like.
You proved that when I gave you some of his background information.
And you decided for some reason a (poly)theist was just supporting atheism.

And, I, as I said.
Am wholly uninteresting in turning this thread into just another believer versus nonbeliever foodfight.

a reply to: addygrace

If I don't get it, fine. Explain it to me.

He tried but I think part of the problem is you have forgotten what the video actually said.

to atheists God believers are children with blindfolds.

I do not know where you got the blindfold from that wasn't part of the analogy.

If a self proclaimed atheist says he wants to open the eyes of the children and free them from the evils of believing in God,

Where are you getting the eye opening bit from??

I think you need to go back and re watch the video because you seem to have switched many things around such as blindfold for empty home without a father and the mirrors or opening children s eyes instead of not subjecting children to a crazy experiment which is why you are not getting it.

Seriously you need to go back and re-watch the video or at least for the first time watch the video the OP presented.