Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: marg6043

America is a developing country?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: marg6043

America is a developing country?

Well Detroit and New Orleans are

Why does it seem like those of you in the thread that are the most worried/paranoid (doom porning) about this, almost seem like you WANT this to spread and be an epidemic?

I swear, it seems like some people have so little in life that they want to see a huge catastrophe just to make their life a little more interesting.

The Ebola patients that have come for treatment are being handled very carefully...stop hoping and praying for an outbreak just so you have something to talk about.

Regarding how quickly death comes after onset of symptoms:

Dr Johnson, 28, is working in Freetown as part of the King's Health Partners scheme. The initiative is a partnership between Guy's and St Thomas', King's College Hospital and South London and Maudsley Trusts as well as King's College London. He added: 'What shocking is how healthy the patients look before they die and how quickly they decline. 'A number of the Ebola patients I've seen look quite fit and healthy and can be walking around until shortly before their deaths.'

Source

As has been mentioned and posted here and in other threads:

INFECTIOUS DOSE: 1 - 10 aerosolized organisms are sufficient to cause infection in humans (21).

MODE OF TRANSMISSION: In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal (15). Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death (1,2, 15, 27). Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids (1, 2). Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets (2, 6, 28). In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated (1, 6, 13). The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus (6).

PATHOGEN SAFETY DATA SHEET - INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCES

Main Entry: aero·sol 

Pronunciation: ˈer-ə-ˌsäl, -ˌsȯl

Function: noun

Etymology: aer- + sol

Date: 1923

1 :  a suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in gas  ;also plural :  the fine particles of an aerosol  

Digging a little deeper:

The virions enter cells by endocytosis and replication takes place in the cytoplasm. During the phase of acute fever, the filoviruses can be isolated from the blood. These viruses grow easily in Vero cells.

C．Physical features
The viral particles have a molecular weight of 3−6 ×108 and a sedimentation coefficient of 13.000 to 14.000. Infectivity is stable at room temperature. The viruses are inactivated by UV, Gamma irradiation, 1％ formaldehyde, beta propiolactone and brief exposure to phenol desinfectants and lipid solvents8.

Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever (EHF): Mechanism of Transmission and Pathogenicity

So the virus particles are absorbed in our cells and begin replicating themselves while tricking our body to ignore them.

This is something I hadn't seen anywhere yet:

It appears that people who have had Ebola, live, and get “better” (i.e., their symptoms go away) can still carry Ebola for a period of time, and in this state, they can still transmit it. What has probably happened is their immune system has started to fight the virus enough that it is attenuated in its effects, but it isn’t’ entirely gone yet.

Ebola Outbreak in West Africa: Some basic information (Updated)

This is particularly worrisome in that those who think they've gotten better are left to interact with people whilst they are in fact still contagious can continue spreading the disease.

All emphases mine

originally posted by: kruphix
Why does it seem like those of you in the thread that are the most worried/paranoid (doom porning) about this, almost seem like you WANT this to spread and be an epidemic?

I swear, it seems like some people have so little in life that they want to see a huge catastrophe just to make their life a little more interesting.

The Ebola patients that have come for treatment are being handled very carefully...stop hoping and praying for an outbreak just so you have something to talk about.

Exactly. Some people seem to hoping for the worse case scenario which is extremely unlikely.

Frankly im more worried at the SARS like viruses emerging in the ME.

a reply to: Morningglory

That will be not problem as is portable chambers that can monitor pressure, we are only been allowed to know that two infectious persons arrived to the US and to Atlanta, but the details of how they were travelling and their circumstances are not.

Perhaps later on a detail report of their conditions in the airplane for their safety and those around them will be given, I mean maybe.

a reply to: crazyewok

I am sorry, if you have a Ebola or any type of hemorrhagic fever, you do not die in a very mundane way! It is actually a horrific death.....

I think there needs to be some clarification of flu like symptoms: This is not a respiratory virus in any kind of way...Influenza is strictly respiratory...The symptoms that resemble the flu are

high fever
severe body aches
severe weakness..................

From there is is manifested in almost everyone, and you begin to see Gastro Intestinal symptoms Vomiting, diarrhea often the stool contains a moderate amount of blood......

In the end you have died due to internally and most of the time external hemorrhaging and the organs, tissue have liquefied!

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Especially in an overtaxed health care system that doesn't have the beds to continue quarantining people for additional weeks when they've recovered.

a reply to: raymundoko


My mistake, but thinking about it, illegal immigration is turning us into a developing country this days as we are falling more and more into a welfare state.



Yes I been sarcastic.

a reply to: crazyewok

I also like how all these people have become absolute experts on Ebola, infectious diseases, transmission, and mutation of viruses.

This thread has been an absolutely amazing read and study in the herd mentality of humans.

a reply to: kruphix

When you have an infectious disease introduced into our nation's soil for the first time in history and not by accidental means, you should be aware, very aware and at the same time you should be vigilant of the agenda behind the whole case.

Been prepared, doing research and reading as much information as you can is not been paranoid, is just exercising caution and been smart about it, specially when is not cure and the infection is fast and fatal.

a reply to: paxnatus

Actually the massive external haemorrhaging only happens in 10-20% of cases. And bleeding in General in only 40-50%

No those 10-20% are not mundane.

But the majority die without the dramatic symptoms, normally of organ failure. Some wont have any bleeding at all.

The term "flu" was used just as a term for the less educated on here. No there are no respiratory features. But Fever, Weakness, Joint pains ect are features of early Ebola and symptoms most people here can associate with along with as I said sickness and diarrhoea .

a reply to: paxnatus

So you've never had "the flu" (and we are using the commonly used layman's term here) where you were also vomiting and having diarrhea? Lucky you. Perhaps the semantics of the term "flu" can be debated, but if you ask an average American what the symptoms of flu are, they will include vomiting and diarrhea. And no, not "most" of the Ebola victims bleed externally. Some do. Others don't. Some don't bleed until the last day, and by then it's too late to quarantine them to prevent spread.

a reply to: crazyewok

Thanks for your reply. I knew clotting was an issue with Ebola but didn't make the connection with air travel.

They could've explained it better.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: kruphix

When you have an infectious disease introduced into our nation's soil for the first time in history and not by accidental means, you should be aware, very aware and at the same time you should be vigilant of the agenda behind the whole case.

Been prepared, doing research and reading as much information as you can is not been paranoid, is just exercising caution and been smart about it, specially when is not cure and the infection is fast and fatal.

Ebola has been in the USA since the 70's A number of Cat 4 facility s in the USA have had Ebola and associated projects. What is the difference between a dozen pissed off infected lab monkeys or a single Human being?

a reply to: kruphix

Did you have something constructive to add, or just self-aggrandizing snark? Keep it on topic. If you have some credible research to discredit this thread, please post it.

a reply to: kruphix

Thats what I have been screaming to the heavens to anyone that will listen. They are NOT being handled with extreme care. What I have seen thus far borders on reckless.

Fail 1. They intentionally placed a hot patient (hot as in infected with a communicable hemorrhagic fever) on an intercontinental flight not once but twice.

Fail 2. Their isolation chamber looks as if it was built out of pvc pipe and shower curtain liner. The only thing they did right was make it negative pressure.

Fail 3. Brantley was transported by a public ambulance with little to no police escort at rush hour through a major american city. The damn driver did not even have on a face shield! Mask only.

Fail 4. Brantley was allowed to walk out of the ambulance under his own power across a crushed limestone parking lot and into Emory. Doesnt Emory have stretchers??

Fail 5. The plane stopped at Bangor Int'l Airport, where it underwent a customs inspection and the flight crew was allowed to disembark, for crying out loud!

I dont claim to be an expert, but I have worked under biosafety level 2 conditions, and i know the standards and protocols for all four. Between the information given by the media that contradicts everything i have ever seen about Ebola, and the apparent recklessness i have seen displayed throughout this whole debacle, i am cery concerned. I hope like hell i am wrong because it appears to me they are using this strain of Ebola in a manufactured crisis and you DO NOT DO THAT with virii. One chance mutation and you could have bodies piled up in the streets.

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: Krakatoa

Yet again, religion makes a bad situation even worse! From the OP's content, is this line



Local religious leaders are preaching against health workers, saying it is them spreading the disease.

What does that have anything to do with religion??? Because its preachers who claim that they are spreading the disease??

What a fail attempt

I guess you missed the phrase "Local RELIGIOUS LEADERS". They are preaching to their followers that the medical personnel there are spreading the disease (i.e. they are evil). Now, what, in your infinite wisdom would you think those followers are going to do if they get sick? They will NOT go to the medical personnel for treatment since they are being told to avoid them and treat them as evil spreaders of the death sickness. At this point we have people hiding and no chance at all of containing this nasty bug. It will continue to proliferate, in secret, out of control (as we are seeing now).

THAT is what religion has to do with my comment. If you cant see that, perhaps you are blinded by your own faith. Had these local religious leaders actually encouraged the sick to seek out the health workers and help them contain it, perhaps it would not be spreading as much as it is at the present time? Ya think that is more helpful a message to their followers?

Talk about EPIC FAIL....it's right there buddy...open your eyes.

a reply to: marg6043

Say what? Have read anything in the thread since Friday?

They broadcasted the route for over 24 hours before he got here then followed it.

There was so little security that people talked and now the FBI will be providing it for the next patient flown in.