Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

Africa has herd immunity to it since it is native to Africa!! So it's hard to flare there. Here and the rest of the world do not have herd immunity so it will spread like wild fire. It will also spread like wild fire soon in Africa because the fire just started.
The army upset and want to see first hand what the hell in the plane.if they didn't like it they would probably burn the plane to incineration and bomb the base like in the movies.
An epidemic will hurt the population including army and if doom happened what will the army do and protect who?!
So it's important the army check first. It's horrible times. Let's pray that's the only thing can help!

Nevermind.

Good lord I finally caught up.

You know from a public relations stand point.
Why would you willingly release information about bringing an infectious person into a non infected country? It won't invoke a good response, and you don't want to cause panic right?

Really it would be better to fly the infectious patient in the air base in the middle of the night and get him into the unit. Have everyone sign confidentiality agreements. The government hides stuff all the time. What the population doesn't know won't hurt them.

Then when you have this week packed with all these govt related health topics such as CDC Guidelines for US hospitals for treatment for Ebola Paitents, a map with isolation centers, A bioterrorism drill in a major city (you can't plan and core donate that on a whim earlier that morning), oh yeah and a presidential order, you can play it off as showing that our country is proactive for our citizens health and safety.

This is just me talking, but I think there was a whistleblower who didn't feel right about it. So the secret import is now blasted all over. Aw, crap might as well make the best of it. Put it out to the media he's already doing better and improving with our care. Oh change his flight to the day time, you know cause that's more convenient to the media. Forget HIPPA and a paitents right to privacy. And throw that hospital procedure of bringing him in a wheel chair, get up and parade you're infected a** into that hospital!! See everyone he's fine !!! Okay now that that show is over fly THE REAL patient in once the media circus is gone. It's all about public perception

You are worried about panic and not worried the coming 90% mortality rate??

Oh and earlier some one was posting about healthcare in west Africa. Yes some places are in tents yes not enough drs, not enough supplies money and resources. But just cause they got their medical education there in Africa doesn't physicians, and nurses are not stupid and have no concept of modern medicine.
West Africa was largely French colonization until the 60s France does have like 15% of funding to go towards helping healthcare. Countries across the world do. They had a continuing medical convention in Gahna. us med students can do a elective credit in 3rd world countries I'm sure that includes Africa. They may not have OSHA standards but they are not going to intentionally do stuff that will spread infection when they're trying to treat it. And there are foreign first world medical healthcare presence, they are donated supplies as well but they do need more. And you're making it sound like they are just meaning to throw bodies into the street once their dead. Lol that's not the case

If the infected doctor was oriented he would definitely refuse transfer but then he was in custody as I heard so he could not reject.

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You keeping claiming your a MD.

If I sever the caudal vertebrae in my spine what does that mean?

lol haven't you seen my other posts? I was freaking about it to everyone in my personal life about it. I should have worded it differently. I was meaning to say I think there was a whistle blower and the government wouldn't disclose they're bringing infection into the US. All governments never want to invoke panic into their citizens. "Public Relations" have you heard of the term?

And I can promise if there are hospitilizations in other cities they will sure as hell not be disclosed to the public in This first lil bit of time
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originally posted by: adnanmuf
If the infected doctor was oriented he would definitely refuse transfer but then he was in custody as I heard so he could not reject.

Which returns us to the question of who really made the decision to move him here.

The answer to this has not been clear.

We have them saying the Samaritan's Purse organization made the decision to fly them back, reportedly at the request of the two patients, and that they hired and paid for the transport, and with the "agreement" of Emory to receive them as patients. But we also appear to have military involvement or at least cooperation, as they landed on a military base. We have the Department of State saying, see the CDC, and the CDC saying not much.

If anyone can correct this summary or further fill in the blanks, please help.

ETA, from Samaritan's Purse:

“We thank God that they are alive and now have access to the best care in the world,” said Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan’s Purse. “We are extremely thankful for the help we have received from the State Department, the CDC, the National Institute of Health, WHO and, of course, Emory Hospital.”

NIH. Ebola drug trial in September.

Interesting.

A senior official within the U.S. Food and Drug Administration told Reuters the agency would consider proposals for providing treatments under special emergency new drug applications, if the benefits of the treatment outweighed the potential safety risks.

[Reuters]

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: adnanmuf
If the infected doctor was oriented he would definitely refuse transfer but then he was in custody as I heard so he could not reject.

Which returns us to the question of who really made the decision to move him here.

The answer to this has not been clear.

We have them saying the Samartans Purse organization made the decision to fly them back, reportedly at the request of the two patients, and that they hired and paid for the transport, and with the "agreement" of Emory to receive them as patients. But we also appear to have military involvement or at least cooperation, as they landed on a military base. We have the Department of State saying, see the CDC, and the CDC saying not much.

If anyone can correct this summary or further fill in the blanks, please help.

Batman made the decision and obi kanobi!

If it's true we are on the verge of the 6th mass extinction event and high density human populations are a major cause would it really be so bad if this did spread? Do billions of humans deserve to exist more than a species existing at all? Like any organism I don't want to die and would do almost anything to stay alive but if nature has said enough is enough I couldn't disagree from objective point of view.

It's probably going to be our own stupidity and belief we are in control of forces that are beyond our comprehension that gets us in the end. It might happen now or in a hundred years when we blow our world up trying to harness the power of black holes or other forces beyond our control. Maybe a hard smack from nature is exactly what we need at this point in time before we do something completely irreversible.

originally posted by: john452
If it's true we are on the verge of the 6th mass extinction event and high density human populations are a major cause would it really be so bad if this did spread? Do billions of humans deserve to exist more than a species existing at all? Like any organism I don't want to die and would do almost anything to stay alive but if nature has said enough is enough I couldn't disagree from objective point of view.

It's probably going to be our own stupidity and belief we are in control of forces that are beyond our comprehension that gets us in the end. It might happen now or in a hundred years when we blow our world up trying to harness the power of black holes or other forces beyond our control. Maybe a hard smack from nature is exactly what we need at this point in time before we do something completely irreversible.

Nature or God have nothing to do with it. How can nature bring the infected person across the Atlantic? Did Nature forced humans to live crowded and with airplanes

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here is the difference Lucidity in air transmission transferred through the air and airborne....transferred through the air means with the presence of fluid forming a droplet... sneezing and spitting those drops in the air for example...airborne means the pathogen can be expelled by simply breathing into the air. making it transferable when you breathe the same air in a room as and infected person regardless if you have direct contact with the person or not..The virus particles then are too microscopic to see......

And that is the million dollar question or delima I don't think they know yet!

Pax

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Hence, the obligate and preferential airborne routes from the definition?

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Humans are part of nature but we aren't the only ones evolving/advancing and fighting for survival. If the interconnected world we have created allows another organism to propagate and spread at our expense than they will use it to their advantage. They won't be thinking of what it will do to us and probably wouldn't even if they had the capability. Just like humans didn't have too many concerns about the damage they caused to other species when we spread around the world and multiplied.

originally posted by: paxnatus
a reply to: ~Lucidity

here is the difference Lucidity in air transmission transferred through the air and airborne....transferred through the air means with the presence of fluid forming a droplet... sneezing and spitting those drops in the air for example...airborne means the pathogen can be expelled by simply breathing into the air. making it transferable when you breathe the same air in a room as and infected person regardless if you have direct contact with the person or not..The virus particles then are too microscopic to see......

And that is the million dollar question or delima I don't think they know yet!

Pax

airborne is less virulent (fast) than flu for example which is mainly non airborne method. When flu comes to town nobody can escape it. It hits what she wants with impunity. Cold and flu are the fastest epidemics on earth. Some theories out side the box theorize virus fly with heat radiation or come flatly from the space by means of falling.
We still don't know much about things. A doctor is an architect while he finish the building it might fall like house of cards. Might as well try Chinese medicine or just don't trust your doc and do your research..no trustimo anybodymo

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Were did you do your med degree? 12th century england?

Next you will say virues are spread by bad smells and herecy and to treat ebola we need prayer and leeches

Couple of more pics from yesterday. And a question about the first.

The alledged ambulance. Would the driver really be wearing just a mask?

An ambulance departs Dobbins Air Reserve Base near Interstate 75, Saturday, Aug. 2, 2014, in Marietta, Ga. Officials at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta expect an American that was infected with the Ebola virus to be transported today.(AP Photo/John Bazemore)

The alledged plane.

A plane taxies after arriving at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta., Ga., Saturday, Aug. 2, 2014. Officials at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta expect an American who is infected with the Ebola virus to be transported for treatment today. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

These are from a local news website. I say "alledged: because, well, anyone else notice the odd wording? "An ambulance" and "A plane" vs "The ambulance" and "The plane?"

They're being careful.

I'm not a medical person, but Do they not know the size of the virus?
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