Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I don't understand how the WHO can put a definitive number on the death toll from ebola. I've read, seen, too many articles about the 1,000s of deaths in the bush, from people who claim those people are not in the count, as no one is willing to go to those areas, save a few brave reporters to see for themselves what is happening. We are only getting the *official* death count of those who've died in hospitals.

Here is just one new article from today...

An Irish doctor heading for the epicentre of the Ebola outbreak has warned that the number of patients being seen at treatment centres does not reflect the true scale of the epidemic.

Dr Gabriel Fitzpatrick, who left Ireland on Wednesday, will be joining a team of doctors from Medecins Sans Frontieres is due in Kailahun in remote eastern Sierra Leone today after an eight-hour drive from the capital, Freetown.

The district is on the border with both Guinea and Liberia, the other two countries struggling to contain the outbreak which is known to have infected more than 1,300 people and killed more than 700, but has also claimed lives in outlying areas no doctors have reached.

“The MSF team in Sierra Leone is overwhelmed with new patients,” he said after a briefing with colleagues in Freetown. “We are expanding our Ebola treatment centre in Kailahun from 64 to 88 beds to have extra capacity.

“Our top priority is to provide care for patients infected with the virus. We know that people are still dying in their villages without access to medical care.”

His comments come as the World Health Organisation conceded the epidemic was out of control and as the Department of Foreign Affairs here warned that anyone living in or travelling to any of the affected countries to register with the nearest embassy and to exercise caution in their activities.
www.irishexaminer.com...[/ exnews]


The true enormity of this is beyond the scope of normal people reading Cliff Note quotes as they scroll past them on facebook, or what they see on TV.

At least we, on ATS, have a better comprehension of the true scope of what is taking place.

Des

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Gupta: We're going to see Ebola around the world

Sanjay, how has this been blocked in the past? Why does this seem unprecedented? Is there something different right now?

You know, in a morbid way, it's because it killed so quickly – it would just burn out. You imagine these remote villages. People weren't moving around as quickly. And the Ebola virus – they would die and before they could start to spread it…it's awful to think about, but that's what was happening.

Now, you have a more mobile group. You have more roads between some of these smaller villages, such as in Guinea, where this originated, and the capital city of Conakry. There are roads. There are all these good passageways now back and forth. And so I think that part of it is certainly contributing. There’s also this idea that there’s a mistrust – I think a little bit of distrust, maybe – even of health care professionals. In part, that's fueled by the fact that there’s no good anti-viral, there’s no good vaccine. So we need to see health care workers show up, they're not offering some panacea to what is happening here.

And so there's not a lot of trust. And a lot of the people who are getting infected aren't hearing the right messages. And you also have several epidemics sort of starting in different points almost simultaneously now. Usually, it was one place you could target.

more here

originally posted by: Destinyone
Hello listmates. I've been out of the loop with work this weekend. I've just caught up on the plethora of new data all of you have so diligently been contributing. For that, I thank you all from the bottom of my worried little heart.

We are facing a new situation here. I personally think there is need for making oneself as aware as we can, of everything ebola.

This is what ATS does the best. Share information, personal experiences, bringing so much more to the knowledge table, than we could ever get otherwise. It's up to us as individuals, and how we feel about a situation, to make use of all the data shared by so many.

I'm one of those in the ballpark of thinking, something evil this way comes. I hope I'm wrong, but the dots can be connected in only so many ways....none of them look good to me.

Thank you all again for the sharing of knowledge, research, and civility in an area that can be so damn emotional. With knowledge comes the power to make better personal decisions.

Des

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I agree the main reason i finally joined it is good to have many different perspectives on a subject you can never have to much info.
The fact they have a patent on it is really got me wondering could it have anything to do with making it a weapon or profiting of a cure some way not sure but definitely strange indeed.

manna2 your avatar had me cracking up thanks....

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Wondering of any of you had seen these:

TEKMIRA STOCK INCREASE

www.nasdaq.com...

(source: nasdaq)

Tekmira- pharma working on ebola who received $150m from DOD and takes money from Monsanto

CNN UNDERSENSATIONALIZING EBOLA
"Ebola is not airborne or waterborne, and spreads through contact with organs and bodily fluids such as blood, saliva, urine and other secretions of infected people."

www.cnn.com...

(source: CNN)

I was under the belief in order for an infection to be communicable by bodily FLUIDS such as blood, vomit, diarrhea, sweat and SALIVA it had to be waterborne? Is this wrong? Findings have shown this strain living outside a host for 4 days. Why lie about waterborne if it's not airborne?

AS TO WHY PATIENTS ARE AT EMORY

Emory is only US genetic sequencing lab with this sort of virological capability.

genetics.emory.edu...

(source: Emory.edu)

I believe it's because they've never seen this strain before. It's lowered the fatality rate for an increased rate of communicability- which is why nearly all first responders have died including the top Epidemiologists in Sierra Leone and Liberia (everyone trained in CDC standards with 100s of patients saved between them all.)

These stories I keep hearing on CNN and MSM- "We won't let Americans die on African soil! We're bringing them back to treat them because Americans look after Americans!"

Great excuse. What about the Minnesota resident who brought it from Liberia to Ghana, then to Nigeria where he collapsed in the airport? Was Sawyer less American because he wasn't a white doctor? Or less American because he already MORE THAN #ING LIKELY infected multiple planes full of people? Witnesses saw vomiting and diarrhea on at least one plane.

I've heard reports of 1 dead in Morocco & 2 new cases in Nigeria. Anybody have multiple sources on that? All I can find is the same, sketchy african/morocco news sites that aren't really confirming anything.


EDIT: Has anyone followed the money from "Samaritan's Purse" ?
I saw an estimated assets list of 50m+, found a creator's name... nothing else.. very curious as to who/what owns them.

a reply to: JG1993
Welcome to ATS. I'm sorry your first thread to post in is one of this nature. But, I'm glad you are here, bringing vital parts of the puzzle to the table for us. It's greatly appreciated.

I'm still looking for better viable sources on stories too. If, and when I find them, will be posted here.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone
I don't either, Des, but I take it that's our "official" number and we know from experience (9/11, Ira q, Palestine) that official numbers are usually not too accurate, especially at first.

a reply to: JG1993
Yes, JG1993, I've posted in this thread (from another started here by ImDaMan, some summaries a few pages back) about Tekmira. And I've been following Samaritan's Purse and the decision makers (the list of which has now grown) in bringing this virus to Atlanta.

The money and Monsanto and Ohio connections, not to mention the NIH vaccine trial. There's definitely a money trail to follow/keep an eye on. The stock information is interesting and valuable to document.

ETA: Monsanto & TEKMIRA: The Cure for Ebola

Now let's find out if the NIH trials involve the above, eh?

a reply to: JG1993

Franklin Graham, Board Chairman and President - CEO, Samaritan’s Purse
has some very interesting history to say the least not to mention some nasty associates
so much on this guy and his friends to warrant its own thread ( a quick search on ATS provides a few)

a reply to: MrLimpet
We were discussing Dr. Gupta's entire demeanor yesterday (around page 22-23?) during the live coverage of transport of the patient. From one segment (he was skeptical about what he was hearing from someone he was interviewing) to the next he seemed to do a 180, as if he had been talked to.

Either he or the other male anchor or maybe the person he was interviewing also said, "This is not infectious." We were like what the hell?! And when they came back from break he went into this whole nervous (or something) explanation of the difference between infectious and contagious. It was truly weird. And so's this.

Of course we're going to see it around the world. Infected people fly.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Jesus H, people, quit with the infighting. We're all here to share relevant info. I stayed in the ICU with my brother at Children's of Atlanta/Egleston while he died of a rejected liver transplant, in the ICU, and I saw nurses clean his poo-laden bed, and also forgot to wash my hands on the way out/in of the ICU (as well as other families), despite the huge signs reminding me to do so. I saw dirty floors, and also nurses using anti-bacterial foam every single time they opened his door.

Gawd I am so sorry for your brothers fate. Life seems to be one big broken heart sometimes.
Good on you for being with him. So good on you. And thanks for the little tears, they're nice sometimes.

Good thread Des
SnF

In this article it seem to indicate the doctors condition is now imporoving.
CDC may have a good reason for wanting him close.

I know they were rumours of a protein transcription based anti viral they were looking at for Ebola. There is also the upcoming vaccine. This doctor may very well have volunteered himself.

a reply to: crazyewok
He was given blood of a survivor already. Before he even came here. www.thedailybeast.com...

The woman was given an experimental serum they won't disclose the name of.


ETA:

"All we know and can say it is an experimental drug among several options that was the most promising," said Bruce Johnson, president of Serving in Mission USA. "Doctors on the ground in Liberia with Samaritan’s Purse and SIM were involved in the decision-to-use process, along with the consent of the patients."

www.nbcnews.com...

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he also had no idea which treatment the group may be using.

I betcha it was the drug company or companies that wanted them here. But see, to make money off a vaccine, they need the disease or the fear of the disease in a money-rich place.

Well, if it spreads there isn't all that much that can be done. Might as well spread the love if you get it.

Now for the epidemic to outbreak it need a starting point (focal) meaning many infected in close proximity to each other. This seems good news since only two patients brought in. However on second guess, since the American Ebola is resident in Atlanta this qualify it as a focal starting focal in one condition!!! If the African Ebola interacted with the resident Ebola then the resident Ebola will suddenly mutate into its brought-in-cousin then a focal point happened and doom follow. I wonder if this fact was on the mind of heavy weight weight entity that forced bringing them here!!!!!!

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I betcha it was the drug company or companies that wanted them here. But see, to make money off a vaccine, they need the disease or the fear of the disease in a money-rich place.

Except the vaccines for Ebola have been in development for decades...

originally posted by: VashKonnor
a reply to: ~Lucidity

I betcha it was the drug company or companies that wanted them here. But see, to make money off a vaccine, they need the disease or the fear of the disease in a money-rich place.

Except the vaccines for Ebola have been in development for decades...

I am aware.

a reply to: randyvs

Thank you Randy. As you well know. A thread is only as good as it's contributors. I'm relieved to say, we have some really diligent, and good ones here. Makes all the difference in the world, how informative a thread will be. It's our members that make the thread.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

Your opener really sets the tone for the wide open
responses tho. And no restrictions to a subject is
very important. I don't believe everyone at ATS
considers that enough. And grudges are even held.
IMO

originally posted by: crazyewok
In this article it seem to indicate the doctors condition is now imporoving.
CDC may have a good reason for wanting him close.

I know they were rumours of a protein transcription based anti viral they were looking at for Ebola. There is also the upcoming vaccine. This doctor may very well have volunteered himself.

He had a blood transfusion from a survivor.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Another reason they may want him close.

To monitor him and see how effective that is.