Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: violet
If this is true, then any Ebola outbreak will automatically be blamed on the doctor and aid at Emory and the CDC, rather than the border crossers being transplanted with multiple contagions already being discussed, all over the country.

Of course, they won't be suspect. Surely, the gubmint wouldn't allow someone with Ebola to come in from Mexico!

/s

It's probably in more countries than we know about.

Was it ever mentioned just how these aid workers became infected? I've not followed the evolving story.
Was it, well I followed all the protocol and got it anyways, or something like I accidentally pricked myself with a needle?

If it's the former, that is more worrisome IMO. Not something they would want us to know and could be reason the victims are transported via military and put in isolation so they keep quiet until they die.

originally posted by: LrdRedhawk
a reply to: Libertygal

Repost to adamantly confirm what Libertygal said. My ex-wife WORKED WITH EBOLA AS A SUPERVISOR and this happened:

Allow me to clarify just how "safe" these people who deal with these diseases really are. I live in Atlanta and my EX-wife is a SUPERVISOR at the CDC who works every day with EBOLA and every other nasty thing you can imagine. Every day she has to go through wearing the "suit" and then go through the decontamination procedure before coming home.

Well, one day she gets home and I'm on the front porch to greet her. She reaches for the front doorknob to go inside and then she pauses, looks down at her feet, then looks up at me with a panic-stricken face...

SHE FORGOT TO CHANGE HER SHOES AND WAS WEARING THE SAME SHOES SHE WORE INTO THE DAMN LAB SHE HANDLES THOSE DISEASES IN!!!

She simply shook it off and said, "Well, there's nothing I can do about it now," and took her shoes off and left them outside on the porch. She went on the next day as if nothing had ever happened.
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I know you are making the point that mistakes can be made (i agree with that) but you have also demonstrated that despite your wife working with Ebola and making these mistakes neither of you caught anything, you say these people do this on a regular basis, still Ebola has not got out of these facilities yet.

Together with the instances of people travelling by plane and not passing Ebola to a Single individual I think this proves this situation is not as dire as some are trying to make out.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

you say these people do this on a regular basis, still Ebola has not got out of these facilities yet.

As far as we've been told that is

originally posted by: violet
It's probably in more countries than we know about.

Was it ever mentioned just how these aid workers became infected? I've not followed the evolving story.
Was it, well I followed all the protocol and got it anyways, or something like I accidentally pricked myself with a needle?

If it's the former, that is more worrisome IMO. Not something they would want us to know and could be reason the victims are transported via military and put in isolation so they keep quiet until they die.

They don't know how it was caught, they were working in terrible conditions and exhausted and something probably went wrong in decontamination. Being overworked and exposed to hundreds of peoples body fluids it's quite understandable.

Personally I think the US government wants these experienced people saved because they are useful although sending support when they were in Africa weeks ago might have helped.

a reply to: Hellas


so you think there could have been secret cases, covered up?

If we say this is true my point still stands, it couldn't have spread like 'wildfire' amongst the general public because there has been no pandemic. Either it is not as easily caught as the doomsayers say or someone managed to contain it in order to cover it up, which means it IS containable.

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
a reply to: Hellas


so you think there could have been secret cases, covered up?

If we say this is true my point still stands, it couldn't have spread like 'wildfire' amongst the general public in a pandemic because either it is not as easily caught as the doomsayers say or someone managed to contain it in order to cover it up.

There are so many lies and cover ups around, I don't believe anything the 'Government' says. If that would be the case, of course no one would say something, because of the panic after. And yet we fly in ebola patients to the USA, Germany and I think the UK.

It's like a bad movie and makes you doubt the intelligence of those in charge. If you can move entire fleets around the globe, you can surely bring whatever medical equipment is needed to the field where the outbreaks are.

It's difficult to manufacture an epidemic. This is restricted to the top advanced countries. It's like starting a fire. You bring dry special wood and hitting the fire stone until the fire starts the fire won't start unill the right conditions are reached!

Between every hit on the fire stone are few months in epidemic manufacturing times where the conditions and the virus are adjusted.making the virus in the lab is the first are and very expensive where after making thousands of new viruses one is chosen after years of testing. these things are cutting edge science. Tulane university not far from emory is where things are calibrated like the Tuskegee experiment and Ebola!

a reply to: Hellas

i certainly don't trust the government. My point is, if this disease is as easily transferred as some here are saying, we would have a pandemic from 1 or 2 cases. If you theorise it's been released before and covered up, where's the pandemic to prove it?

It's either a disease that infects every single person in a health facility or on a plane as if by magic or it's not.... So far with just a handful of cases, it seems it's not.

The word pandemic means good news that the epidemic will return yearly or become resident which implies at least half the pop survivng!
That does not seem the case with west African Ebola in here.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

So far with just a handful of cases, it seems it's not.

I wouldn't consider 1.300 infected a handful. Especially not in Africa.

a reply to: adnanmuf

I take a pandemic as infecting significant parts of the population in countries the world over, which I agree this current outbreak is not.

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

So far with just a handful of cases, it seems it's not.

I wouldn't consider 1.300 infected a handful. Especially not in Africa.

i can't work it out exactly but 1300 out of a population of 1.1 BILLION, is in percentage terms, tiny!

If it was hundreds of thousands or half a million like Malaria, then it would be a lot more serious.

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
a reply to: adnanmuf

I take a pandemic as infecting significant parts of the population in countries the world over, which I agree this current outbreak is not.

fair to say it could potentially still become an pandemic...especially if it mutates...

the fact that it has not...yet... is still good news

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: DrHammondStoat

So far with just a handful of cases, it seems it's not.

I wouldn't consider 1.300 infected a handful. Especially not in Africa.

i can't work it out exactly but 1300 out of a population of 1.1 BILLION, is in percentage terms, tiny!

If it was hundreds of thousands or half a million like Malaria, then it would be a lot more serious.

From my point of view, it's even worse, because there are so many the can get infected. If it would be on an isolated Island, it wouldn't be that dangerous on a global scale.

Ya know the whole crux for me is...the reason it was Emory!! Okay yes the BLS4 center and all that but my gut is telling me this is A VERY REAL threat not if this gets out that is not what i am saying i mean that is a given!

Here are the questions we need to be asking ourselves...Try and forget fault right now and population control and all conspiracies......Let's look at this as if the information we are getting is truth! Our government is not going to say we have evidence that the deadliest disease on the planet, which basically liquifies your organs is going to be in every state state in your country in less than a month!!

MASS PANIC!! I MEAN PEOPLE FREAKING OUT!!

Why did the DOD get involved? Who approved the transfer? Why did this happen almost over night? This is not about trying to save 2 Americans this about a last ditch effort to save us! Maybe because it is so much worse than we can imagine the research has to be done ASAP!! Something is just so wrong here!

Maybe, they have not told us but are well aware Ebola is now airborne! Yhe bottom line, we just dont know that much about filovirus' Something I have heard over and over "this strain of Ebola does not fall into your typical filovirus.
The strain has been classified as much more virulent than the few cases we have seen before!"

The fact that it appeared in a part of Africa never seen before??

Add to this, NIH will begin testing an experimental vaccine on us, in Sept.!!

Add to that the largest medical disaster drill in the HISTORY of our country is going to take place in NYC

Why Now??? Why?? Something is so wrong here it is giving me chills!!

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
a reply to: adnanmuf

I take a pandemic as infecting significant parts of the population in countries the world over, which I agree this current outbreak is not.

fair to say it could potentially still become an pandemic...especially if it mutates...

the fact that it has not...yet... is still good news

Yep at the moment, it isn't airbourne and doesn't seem to be pandemic material, as you say that's good news. I think people should be aware and prepared but keep a sense of perspective.

originally posted by: paxnatus
Ya know the whole crux for me is...the reason it was Emory!! Okay yes the BLS4 center and all that but my gut is telling me this is A VERY REAL threat not if this gets out that is not what i am saying i mean that is a given!

Here are the questions we need to be asking ourselves...Try and forget fault right now and population control and all conspiracies......Let's look at this as if the information we are getting is truth! Our government is not going to say we have evidence that the deadliest disease on the planet, which basically liquifies your organs is going to be in every state state in your country in less than a month!!

MASS PANIC!! I MEAN PEOPLE FREAKING OUT!!

Why did the DOD get involved? Who approved the transfer? Why did this happen almost over night? This is not about trying to save 2 Americans this about a last ditch effort to save us! Maybe because it is so much worse than we can imagine the research has to be done ASAP!! Something is just so wrong here!

Maybe, they have not told us but are well aware Ebola is now airborne!

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Why would it be in every state within a month when it only infected just over 1000 people in a developing nation?

I know that argument is getting old

Say it was airbourne, say it was spreading like you say surely the proof would be people overwhelming hospitals...there is no evidence of that yet.

If it WAS spreading out of control either naturally or part of some conspiracy there is only really one thing people can do which is isolate themselves.

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: Destinyone

I still am unsure as to the airborne contagiousness of this virus..

Here's a possiblilty. They don't know. Particularly with this new strain, especially when you consider the unprecedented number of medical workers, perhaps laboring under the assumption that it was not, have contracted this.

Also, from what I've read, even the CDC has not said it is not airborne, just that it has not been PROVEN to be airborne.

There is every chance it may be if we define airborne as being spread by sneezing, coughing, and other types of transmission of body fluid.

Then there's this point a reporter in Africa made...and the CDC director's answer to her.

At a Thursday press conference, CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden avoided claiming that this strain of Ebola is not airborne. Rebecca Hamman of Voice of Nigeria asked: “You just said the transmission of Ebola is through close contact. But it seems it’s going beyond that. The name itself was derived from a river. Do you mean the not water-borne or airborne?” She stated simply: “My people are scared at the rate at which it is being transmitted and moving very fast. I would like to know how Ebola is contracted.”

Frieden’s reply was not that Ebola is not airborne, but that it has not been “proven” to be airborne. He said, “Though there may be circumstances that it might have been spread through the air in situations like intubation of a patient, putting a breathing tube in them, that’s never been proven.”

[Source]

People are saying it's not airborne, that it is passed through bodily fluids, such as vomit, sweat, blood and secretions, but can those not go airborne, again, depending on how we define airborne? Cannot bodily fluids go airborne. Sneezing, coughing, land on dust and other objects? It's not a gas but it can certainly get into the air.

This is how WHO defines airborne:

Airborne transmission
Airborne transmission of infectious agents refers to the transmission of disease caused by
dissemination of droplet nuclei that remain infectious when suspended in air over long distance and
time. Airborne transmission can be further categorized into obligate or preferential airborne
transmission(5).
Obligate airborne transmission refers to pathogens that are transmitted only by deposition of droplet
nuclei under natural conditions (e.g. pulmonary tuberculosis).
Preferential airborne transmission refers to pathogens that can initiate infection by multiple routes,
but are predominantly transmitted by droplet nuclei (e.g. measles, chickenpox).

Infection prevention and control of epidemic- and pandemic-prone acute respiratory diseases in health care, page 6

So. New strain. Spreading faster than is typical. Traditional control methods sort of failing. Definition of airborne. Viruses mutate. And the the bit about waterborn, well water is a fluid. It contaminated fluid hits food, the air, or water, does it spread? Seems they don't really know.