Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I can only imagine what some people would have tried to do if they knew what part of Emory he was being transported to if in fact the person we saw wasn't him. Anything can happen when you have a bunch of nutjobs in world.

a reply to: 00nunya00

An alternative to it being airborne is the notion that it's infectiousness has increased in advance of a person displaying symptoms...or that the virus survives longer outside a host.

Not all of these healthcare workers were in remote facilities, and as you say wore protective gear, which could mean they didn't get it from the patients they were treating, but rather from others they were in contact with who had yet to display obvious symptoms.

a reply to: violet

I work in a hospital, and I can tell you, you are spot on with this. The staff are the most careless with standard contact precautions for a number of reasons, but many will proclaim it is because, "Everyone had already been infected anyway! It doesn't matter!" Not true, of course. I have been swabbed multiple times, and I am still negative. Of course, I am OCD about handwashing and not touching my face...

However, tracking of contact precautions bears out the truth. They actually have spies that follow employees in hospitals to verify handwashing techniques, and foaming in/out of rooms, and the average reported compliance is 75-80%. No hospital, EVER, has reported 100% compliance. If they did, they lied. This research is easily found on google, if anyone wishes to research it.

Also, it is a known FACT that a doctor's tie is the filthiest object in a hospital. They see a patient, lean over them, the tie brushes all over the patient. He washes his hands, sees the next patient. That nasty tie brushes all over that patient, and so on. How often do they clean their ties? Monthly? Maybe less? When it gets stained enough, one supposes... in the meantime, it is transmitting all sorts of nastiness.

Of course, we have all heard by now, of the "New Superbug!" MRSA, drug resistant. Do any of you realize this is almost always transmitted by healthcare workers TO the patient? Do you also realize that if this happens, it is the responsibility of the hospital to pay for the treatment to heal the patient? Do you also realize that once infected, you become a carrier for life? You also become "branded" for life. Every time you get admitted to a hospital from that day forward, you are admitted into isolation, and are there for the duration of your stay, whether you swab positive or not, active infection, or not.

Lets also consider two points. Both of these people swore they practiced standard contact precautions, and then some, so only two possibilities stand.

1. They fail at standard contact precautions, and touched a body fluid contaminated surface and then ingested it or touched their mucus membranes. Ew.

Or

2. There is a mode of transmission the CDC is not aware of, or revealed.

These patients will be placed in isolation. This means a chain of custody, just like in police work, MUST be followed. All of their linen, disposeable utensils and food products, everything, must be incinerated. Does anyone think that 24/7, 365, someone will escort housekeeping, janitors, and Joe the engineer 100% of the time to be sure that all precautions are followed? I can promise at some time, someone will be unavailable, too tired, or trust Joe the Janitor, to do the right thing.

I can also promise that NO facility follows contact precautions 100% of the time. That is how these two got sick. Occam's Razor. OR, the CDC is lying about modes of transmission.

Take your pick. It can only be one of the two.

If the doctor and aid worker failed, then what makes anyone think a teaching hospital with likely non-english speaking housekeeping, janitors paid minimum wage, etc., will follow chain of command custody on soiled goods to the incinerator all of the time. It's not realistic, and it won't happen.

Let us bow our heads in shame, that healthworkers already infect patients with hospital aquired MRSA, and pray Ebola is not the "New Superbug"!

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That's convenient. You take two US doctors and claim they both have Ebola. The one (male) is an American hero, who denies treatment because there is only ONE dosis left. The hero saves the lady.

He then comes back to the US, where he gets cured, too by the phenomenal new drug.

BANG, a new vaccine surfaces.. They make trillions, everybody that gets vaccinated, dies a few years later

a reply to: 00nunya00
If an influenza virus can survive for hours on the flat surface of a restaurant menu, it begs more questions: just how many people are infected? Were they preparing food for health care workers? Shopped for the food? Served it? Washed the dishes with a sponge (a putrefying source of e.coli, at the least) ? Who cleaned workers' quarters?

a reply to: ~Lucidity
Yes Lucidity...thats what i was talking about.
It just makes NO sense to willingly bring infected
people into a country that has no cases of infection.
I mean i knew this country was run by idiots but this
takes the cake IMO. If it is some staged event...then
the general population wont be any wiser if this virus
or a mutated version is purposely released on them...
All will blame the 2 coming back into the country right?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

But that's the thing (and I've read the whole thread and others, but still don't have a satisfactory answer): even without a HazMat suit, the local medical personnel still have things like gloves and face masks, and they know and [usually] follow at least basic medical safety procedures----no nurse or doctor in their right mind is going to touch bodily fluids with their bare hands, and it's highly unlikely they all got sneezed on in close proximity. They wash their hands often, at the very least. These are people who live under the constant threat of ebola----they don't screw around with bodily fluids and go eat lunch without washing their hands.

My biggest point is: how can we believe that no one can catch it from casual contact or proximity, from things like sharing door knobs or hand shakes with asymptomatic people, when so many health care professionals who take even better precautions than "casual contact" have contracted it? I just can't buy that 100 doctors and nurses were that stupid, no matter what part of the world it is. And if it *is* true, then it follows reason that the docs and nurses in this country-----where no one ever suspects ebola----are going to be just as lax in their safety procedures as the ones in Africa. When you go into an urgent care center, is the nurse or doctor *ever* wearing a face mask? Nope, never, in my experience. Because they just don't expect that flu-symptom patient might actually have ebola.

Though I'm back on the west coast I spent 8 yrs living down in the Rio Grande Valley. I have family and friends that live out there. One of my besties/cousin is a teacher and in the last few months she's had scabies, lice, a staph infection and a good portion of her students were out with chicken pox symptoms... She's a teacher, coach, summer schooler so she's in contact with the kiddos almost year 'round a reply to: Destinyone

a reply to: Libertygal
Star.
This is true...frighteningly true.

a reply to: trig_grl

comes with the territory of being a Super power,,,,didnt think it was all roses did u?

a reply to: Libertygal

I have to agree with you, most of the deadly outbreaks in our history is due to human error, nothing is safe, nothing at all.

Then also we have to deal with lies and damage control, until we all in danger because the same human error that started all.

My daughter is a nurse and even she has by pass certain procedures when the ER and trauma center she works at falls into localized chaos, because is about life and death situations, patients has been vomited on her, bloods has splattered all over her and feces among many instances of chaotic situations, thankfully she has not tested positive for any diseases yet, as many hospitals required testing when fluids gets into eyes and mouths by accident or have come in contact with open wounds including rashes and small cuts.

I know is gross but that is the truth.

originally posted by: Libertygal
what makes anyone think a teaching hospital with likely non-english speaking housekeeping, janitors paid minimum wage, etc., will follow chain of command custody on soiled goods to the incinerator all of the time. It's not realistic, and it won't happen.

What do you think they might do, rub the sheets over their mouths and take them home as free bed linen for minimum wage workers or something?
Neurotic much?

a reply to: BobAthome

Well Bob...some part of me still thinks humans
are still in it for things other than power/profit.
Guess one day il learn eh?

a reply to: 00nunya00

"I just can't buy that 100 doctors and nurses were that stupid,"

they are not.

but when the local witch doctors are freeing the Ebola patients,,violently in most cares,,
well its hard to not get infected.

"Telegraph.co.uk ‎- 2 days ago British doctor at Ebola clinic in Sierra Leone says many locals believe outbreak is 'witchcraft not disease'

so ya just who are the stupids ones are u refering too?

a reply to: BobAthome

No, it has nothing to do with been a superpower, never in our history our nations government and private interest behind the government has bypassed, procedures and laws in order to bring for the first time two individuals with an infectious disease that has 90% fatality.

This two individuals are the first cases of Ebola in our nation and is not by accident.

a reply to: Hellas

Mmhmm. And you know what? Monsanto is in Ohio and just granted a contract up there related toTekmira and microcystin is used in some HIV and other as an interferon-type blocker (from what I think I've read) trial meds.

a reply to: grainofsand
It could go down this way: a small tear in a glove...and a hangnail. A bag marked "contaminated" could rupture and spill contents. It could also be as simple as one of those bags breaking, and the contents go flying and brush against someone's face.

Sorry...doublepost.

originally posted by: trig_grl
a reply to: ~Lucidity
Yes Lucidity...thats what i was talking about.
It just makes NO sense to willingly bring infected
people into a country that has no cases of infection.
I mean i knew this country was run by idiots but this
takes the cake IMO. If it is some staged event...then
the general population wont be any wiser if this virus
or a mutated version is purposely released on them...
All will blame the 2 coming back into the country right?

Yep. Pllausible deniability. It's brilliant.

I too doubt that was the doctor or the route.

This is a script. And the pieces will come together.

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

"I just can't buy that 100 doctors and nurses were that stupid,"

they are not.

but when the local witch doctors are freeing the Ebola patients,,violently in most cares,,
well its hard to not get infected.

"Telegraph.co.uk ‎- 2 days ago British doctor at Ebola clinic in Sierra Leone says many locals believe outbreak is 'witchcraft not disease'

so ya just who are the stupids ones are u refering too?

That scenario would explain other locals getting sick----but why would that make the medical staff get sick? Do you think they're lunging at the patient to protect them and french-kissing them before they're taken away? My guess is that when these people are taken out of the hospital, the staff probably stands back and lets it happen to a certain extent-----none of them are so stupid as to get in contact with bodily fluids just to keep the patient there. I'm sure they don't just say "ho hum, right on, take them" but I'm also pretty sure no one is coming into anything more than "casual contact" with the patients while they're being taken.