Gaza's ONLY power plant shut down by Israeli shelling

You know that old 'there are minimal Israeli civilian casualties so it's ok for Hamas to fire thousands of missiles targeting Israeli civilians' line is wearing really thin.

The Israeli government has an obligation to respond with military force in the face of such a threat, regardless of Iron Dome's capabilities.

Hamas has deliberately entrenched themselves among civilians, so they are indirectly responsible for most of the Palestinian casualties, as well as the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
You know that old 'there are minimal Israeli civilian casualties so it's ok for Hamas to fire thousands of missiles targeting Israeli civilians' line is wearing really thin.

The Israeli government has an obligation to respond with military force in the face of such a threat, regardless of Iron Dome's capabilities.

Hamas has deliberately entrenched themselves among civilians, so they are indirectly responsible for most of the Palestinian casualties, as well as the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza.

Seriously read the rest of the thread, everything you have said has been talked about already, it is like you all come in with the same script.

a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Yup, thats why im sort of happy if the CIA gets stuck in and sniffs the real aggressors out.

No one thinks that every family on either side wants to see anyone dead in truth. I could be wrong, they have been at it for so long now that people grow up with it, blanket natural hatred is highly possible.

a reply to: Hellas

And Jupiter has only been in Leo for 13 days, this is going to be a LONG year. Expect more to come...

a reply to: sosobad

It's not a script, it's the unfortunate reality of the situation.

The latest update from Gaza is that Hamas has rejected yet another cease fire proposal which was accepted by Fatah and Israel.

There are also rumors that there may be a rift developing within the leadership ranks of Hamas.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: sosobad

It's not a script, it's the unfortunate reality of the situation.

The latest update from Gaza is that Hamas has rejected yet another cease fire proposal which was accepted by Fatah and Israel.

There are also rumors that there may be a rift developing within the leadership ranks of Hamas.

Source?

a reply to: sosobad

It was just reported on CNN's website.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: sosobad

It was just reported on CNN's website.

Do you know why they rejected it? Because they wanted Israel out of Gaza as part of the ceasefire

Fatah official Yasser Abd Rabbo claims announcement was made with consent of all Palestinian factions, however Hamas says cease-fire cannot exist while Israeli forces are inside Gaza.

Israel did not immediately respond to the remarks.

www.jpost.com...
That is not an unreasonable demand, want peace? Then move your troops out.

Also I can't find this anywhere

There are also rumors that there may be a rift developing within the leadership ranks of Hamas.

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: sosobad

It was just reported on CNN's website.

Do you know why they rejected it? Because they wanted Israel out of Gaza as part of the ceasefire

Fatah official Yasser Abd Rabbo claims announcement was made with consent of all Palestinian factions, however Hamas says cease-fire cannot exist while Israeli forces are inside Gaza.

Israel did not immediately respond to the remarks.

www.jpost.com...
That is not an unreasonable demand, want peace? Then move your troops out.

Also I can't find this anywhere

There are also rumors that there may be a rift developing within the leadership ranks of Hamas.

Thats sort of an inaccurate statement there is no Israeli troops in Gaza. In there statement they wanted Israeli tanks to move away from the border and the crossing to be reopened. But this was there terms for a cease fire and not part of the Egyptian proposal which was declined. So in other words had nothing to do with them rejecting the peace offer in the egyptian plan they were going to open the Egyptian border crossing. Egypt wanted assurances Hamas would not support the muslim brotherhood and i bet that was a big part of why they said no.

a reply to: sosobad

Israel's condition to maintain a military presence during the ceasefire is only to finish dismantling the tunnels that lead into Israel. The IDF would otherwise not attack any targets above ground.

Under the circumstances, that is a reasonable request. The IDF had no idea they were going to stumble upon this massive network of underground tunnels leading into Israel when the conflict started. Now that they're inside Gaza, they have to finish the job, and they are almost done.

a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Now that they're inside Gaza, they have to finish the job, and they are almost done.

Will that be the end of it though? Will they pull out?
Israel intensifies Gaza shelling, warns of ‘protracted campaign’
rt.com...


Also the damage to Gaza is done, I can't imagine there is many places they can bomb without going over the same spots again, Gaza ain't that big.

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Now that they're inside Gaza, they have to finish the job, and they are almost done.

Will that be the end of it though? Will they pull out?
Israel intensifies Gaza shelling, warns of ‘protracted campaign’
rt.com...


Also the damage to Gaza is done, I can't imagine there is many places they can bomb without going over the same spots again, Gaza ain't that big.

That in itself is a good question.......

IF they declare their intentions for the ceasefire and its conditions and then its NOT the end of it, there should be repercussions.......

Provided they arent further fired upon by Hamas during the operation.......in that case im not sure...

but if Hamas holds up its end and then Israel does not hold to their part of the ceasefire , thats completely on Israel!

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: Humanity4Ever

Now that they're inside Gaza, they have to finish the job, and they are almost done.

Will that be the end of it though? Will they pull out?
Israel intensifies Gaza shelling, warns of ‘protracted campaign’
rt.com...


Also the damage to Gaza is done, I can't imagine there is many places they can bomb without going over the same spots again, Gaza ain't that big.

That in itself is a good question.......

IF they declare their intentions for the ceasefire and its conditions and then its NOT the end of it, there should be repercussions.......

Provided they arent further fired upon by Hamas during the operation.......in that case im not sure...

but if Hamas holds up its end and then Israel does not hold to their part of the ceasefire , thats completely on Israel!

But that's the thing, Hamas may be firing rockets now but at the start of this conflict it was smaller jihad groups that Hamas actually tried to stop but they still got the blame. If those smaller groups start off again they will be blamed again.

But yes I agree with you a ceasefire is badly needed there.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: NeverMind2013

No-one said war is pretty.
Reality is, stuff like this happens in armed conflict. It sucks from the outside, but in the thick of things to move along the process quicker stuff like this happens. War tactics 101, the longer the war wages on, the more both sides lose.

Except for this question: Is it really a war if one side can't defend itself or mount any kind of offensive? I'd call that an extermination.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I keep hearing "genocide genocide genocide"

This catchphrase is getting old

If Isreal really wanted to commit genocide they would unleash everything they have on Palestine. They are well within their capabilities to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth if they were so inclined. And then deal with the consequences ...

Hamas has it in their damn charter plain as day to irradicate Isreal. But it's Isreal that gets pinned w the genocide bs just because they have bigger bombs. Stop it.

If Hamas had the capability there wouldn't be anything left of Isreal standing....

How can you accuse Israel of this but absolutely ignore the fact that Hamas is open not only in it's cause and charter but it it's television programs, that it wants to destroy the Jews


This blatant willful ignorance is disgraceful.

As is yours, are you truthfully claiming that it is NOT Israel's goal to completely erase Palestine, and most of the countries around it, for the same reasons?

Just because they do this slowly and painstakingly, does not make it any less true.

Do you really believe any of this would be going on, REALLY, if it was not stated in all of the crazy books they claim as the reason they exist, is to be tested, burned in the fires, and claim all the lands promised to them? (Both Sides).

I really am sitting here in amazement that you cannot see, that this entire conflict has NO ATHEISTIC SIDE AT ALL.

But you seem to all claim that one of these sides is not ENTIRELY based on RELIGION.

WHY DO YOU CLAIM THIS ?? WOW go to Israel and ask yourself , and ANYONE ELSE in Palestine or Israel, what is the PLAN HERE.

It is both the exact same, and both of them are deceived to the same thing, to cause chaos, and to control the earth in ways no one can see, and to cause all of this singular thinking, and it WORKS DOESN'T IT!!

I guess Hamas was hiding all their weapons there
*snickers*

originally posted by: miniatus
a reply to: sosobad

I did read it, it just happens to be false... stating they had not fired a single rocket since 2012 is just incorrect, there have been rockets or mortars fired every single year since 2001, being that the article claims that it's lost as a reputable source.

You can post it a third time if you like.. it will still be wrong.

You well and truly believe everything is one-sided don't you.

Ever ask yourself WHY ?

I doubt it, as most of any of the world, the answers are just too painful to bear.

originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: sosobad

Israel's condition to maintain a military presence during the ceasefire is only to finish dismantling the tunnels that lead into Israel. The IDF would otherwise not attack any targets above ground.

Under the circumstances, that is a reasonable request. The IDF had no idea they were going to stumble upon this massive network of underground tunnels leading into Israel when the conflict started. Now that they're inside Gaza, they have to finish the job, and they are almost done.

Oh yes of course, the IDF always gets surprised by thousands of years old tactics of using tunnels to avoid detection.

"Especially in this modern age, we are shocked to find that someone would try to hide things underground, so our satellites, drones, radars, cameras, spies would not be able to see"..................

"Amazingly, those who defy us do not openly show themselves to our airstrikes and artillery shells", claims the media during conflict

It is amazing the things people parrot, it is just the funniest that the western side sounds the most robotic, by a LONG SHOT.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Nikola014

The fact remains that they can't do it.

They lob rocks at Goliath and Goliath stomps them to the ground. Or starves them. Or cages them.

Enough. Both sides are illogical and need to compromise but Israel needs to allow humanitarian aid before anything else can be worked out. If Israel thinks for one minute that there will be any peace in Gaza without basic human rights and decent infrastructure/quality of life, they are mistaken.

The fact is Hamas and Israel need each other...each justifies the barbaric behavior of the other..while the people of the region suffer.

Amen you can not have it both ways. Israel is losing public opinion around the world. In my eyes they are wrong and they are right. They have the right to defend themselves. But this is reaching many levels beyond that at this point. They are actually causing so much pain it might cause a rallying cry across the middle east.




A PR nightmare for Israel does not even do it justice anymore. This could very well lead to the fall of Israel. They should rethink the whole thing from the inside out.

a reply to: kosmicjack

There is nothing safe about Israel while there are thousands of rockets and main line production missiles firing into the air.

Israel suffers the same thing many Western nations do these days. Chronic overdosing of arrogance mixed with desperation and an arsenal that gives every option with little chance of direct or personal consequence for their use.

Israel is no good guy here, but they are also not a clear aggressor. That isn't clear for either side.

We look at Iron Dome in wonder, but then let me ask you something? If Iron Dome fails, will Israel still be sitting pretty? Instead of a 90% interception rate on thousands of warheads fired? We'd be looking at thousands of impacts by warheads in Israel. Some into homes, schools and hospitals, in the same way Gaza is experiencing it.

Until recently, this was a very bloody two sided fight with pizza parlors as likely a battlefield in Israel as a park is in Gaza. One side developed effective defense. The other has not. That shouldn't mean the defended side should ignore the endless streams of incoming weapons in the hope the defense will never falter. Without Iron Dome, Israel returns to the shooting gallery they have been for a couple decades now.

Hamas needs to stop, so the world can then demand Israel do the same.