Gaza's ONLY power plant shut down by Israeli shelling

Oh but I'm sure the Israeli gov will claim that the Palestinians done it!! After all, the Israeli gov claims that the Palestinians are bombing their own hospitals and family parks. That's a good one, Satanyahoo.
The Israelis know that the tunnels are mostly used for food, meds, water, other basic necessities. That's why they went after those tunnels. Now, they can starve and thirst the Palestinians, either to death, or, into submission. The Israelis call these attacks "mowing the grass" every few years or so. The worlds governments sit idle because they've been infiltrated by the Zionists. That's why most countries only offer support to the Israelis. It's sickening what is happening. I hope many international arrest warrants for war crimes goes out against Israel and it's accomplices to this crime. Time for the world to act.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: BlackNWhite

Yes because Hamas would never use a building for storage of their rockets and they never use innocent children as a shield.

Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."

Debunking Israel's 11 myths about Gaza

Read it

a reply to: sosobad

I suppose one week is all the proof the reporter needs.

I try not to read pro Hamas propaganda.

a reply to: miniatus
The crime is that the Palestinians land have been stolen. Even by the 1967 borders standard. Now, they've all been forced onto a little strip where the Israeli gov controls all their life supplies, and now it's shooting fish in a barrel, or "mowing the grass" as the Israelis like to say. These people have essentially been forced onto a small reservation, where they have no say because they are seen as "sub-human goy". What are they supposed to do?? Innocent women, children and men are being slaughtered. Israel has just sealed their fate. Billions of muslims are planning on rolling through Israel now(based on what I've read). At the very least, Israel is guilty of war crimes galore.

originally posted by: sosobad
What do you call that then? Sure as hell looks like a land grab to me.

My point is that this operation is not a land grab, I speak nothing of the historical border disputes between Palestine and Israel. Israel has not made any move to claim the gaza strip in nearly 10 years and in the last 4-5 years has sat mostly idly by while Hamas fired tons of rockets, which is obviously ok with you.. Hamas has been the instigator of this for the last few years while being resupplied by Iran.. if anything this is a proxy fight between Iran and Israel .. this is about provoking Israel to take unpopular action that could bring international response.. and it's working.

Hamas has the power to end the fighting .. simply stop firing rockets and sending suicide bombers through the tunnels... Israel has already demonstrated it's restraint in the face of constant rocket barrages for several years now.. now they've decided to respond in force.

Well that is one way to get rid of the inhabitants so you can rebuild and move in more new Israelis.

originally posted by: miniatus

originally posted by: sosobad
What do you call that then? Sure as hell looks like a land grab to me.

My point is that this operation is not a land grab, I speak nothing of the historical border disputes between Palestine and Israel. Israel has not made any move to claim the gaza strip in nearly 10 years and in the last 4-5 years has sat mostly idly by while Hamas fired tons of rockets, which is obviously ok with you.. Hamas has been the instigator of this for the last few years while being resupplied by Iran.. if anything this is a proxy fight between Iran and Israel .. this is about provoking Israel to take unpopular action that could bring international response.. and it's working.

Hamas has the power to end the fighting .. simply stop firing rockets and sending suicide bombers through the tunnels... Israel has already demonstrated it's restraint in the face of constant rocket barrages for several years now.. now they've decided to respond in force.

Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."

The link I posted above

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: sosobad

I suppose one week is all the proof the reporter needs.

I try not to read pro Hamas propaganda.

Didn't bother to even look at the link then? Because most of the proof for the debunking comes from western and Israeli media, but I suppose you try not to read anything truthful either.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: sosobad

It's not a bad analogy really but, similarly, people damn sure can't agree on Stand Your Ground laws here in the U.S. and the abuse of such...not surprisingly those who support Stand Your Ground likely support the shelling of citizens in Gaza. It's fascinating.

I believe in the stand your ground law but I do not think Israel is standing it's ground or defending itself when it bombs playgrounds and hospitals, then blaming Hamas. This is obviously targeting children. This is exactly what some in the Israeli government said they wanted to do: Kill children and pregnant mothers or whatever it was the Israeli government woman - who looks like Amanda Knox - said. It was something along those lines. At the very least, the 1967 borders should be enforced immediately, then go from there.

a reply to: sosobad

And what truth are you talking about, how evil those Jews are for protecting their citizens?

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: miniatus
The crime is that the Palestinians land have been stolen. Even by the 1967 borders standard. Now, they've all been forced onto a little strip where the Israeli gov controls all their life supplies, and now it's shooting fish in a barrel, or "mowing the grass" as the Israelis like to say. These people have essentially been forced onto a small reservation, where they have no say because they are seen as "sub-human goy". What are they supposed to do?? Innocent women, children and men are being slaughtered. Israel has just sealed their fate. Billions of muslims are planning on rolling through Israel now(based on what I've read). At the very least, Israel is guilty of war crimes galore.

Israel had the land before but were largely pushed out .. they began to reclaim the land in the 40s ... if you look at 1946 Israelis had even less land than Palestinians ave now even though it was originally theirs.

My point however is that Israel has the right to retaliate against Hamas.. Hamas is embedding their missile sites in densely populated areas, schools, mosques, hospitals.. that is the crime.. as I've said over and over.. Israel honors the cease fires.. Hamas breaks them regularly .. Israel stood by for 4-5 years without retaliation while Hamas rained rockets.. yes Israel has the iron dome, but that only blocks about 75% and Hamas has fired thousands of rockets.. 25% of those thousands get through...

Israel pretty much has a duty to it's citizens to attempt to stop those rockets..

This is NOT a pretty situation but it cannot be ignored how Hamas has been poking and prodding Israel over the last several years for a response.. civilian casualties furthers their cause and gains them sympathy.. Hamas is using the palestinian people.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Ah where to begin,

Though it is never explicitly stated, Segev's thesis is clear. Israeli fears of an Arab attack "had no basis in reality," he argues; "there was indeed no justification for the panic that preceded the war, nor for the euphoria that took hold after it." Rather than responding to an imminent Arab threat, Israelis were reacting out of a deep-seated trauma born of years of Jewish suffering

www.washingtonpost.com...

Israel actually struck first and then took the land, kinda sounds like an invasion does it not?

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: sosobad

And what truth are you talking about, how evil those Jews are for protecting their citizens?

You comment makes no sense at all in response to mine, what are you 5?

originally posted by: sosobad

The link I posted above

Launching far fewer rockets is still launching rockets.. They still launched rockets/mortars every year since 2001.. nearly 5000 rockets since 2001 in fact, and most of those rocket attacks happened after Israel even withdrew from Gaza in 2005..

As time has gone on, those rockets have improved their range making them more and more of a risk.

I know you're all about Israel not having the right to defend it's people, but that's where we squarely disagree. If I was the leader of a country and you fired even ONE rocket at my people I would retaliate by knocking out that launch site wherever it may be because it would be my duty to protect my citizens.

a reply to: sosobad

There is alot more to this story than you think. First the fuel tanks were supplied by Israel basically given as humanitarian aid. Same with 75 percent of the electricity is supplied by Israel the remainder by Egypt. In fact Hamas hasnt paid for electricity since 2012 and has a huge bill. Even before the hit on this plant (well actually a fuel depot outside the plant) there were rolling blackouts supplying Gazans with 12 hrs per day electricity.The depot being destroyed is not why they are without power how ever the main reason is this:

Seventy thousand Gazans from Khan Younis and Deir el-Balah were in the dark Sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit the power line that supplies electricity to those places. It's not clear when Israel Electric Company workers will be able to repair the system, but they are apparently in no rush to do so. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has asked the IEC not to risk the lives of its employees in trying to restore power to the affected sector in Gaza, an operation that could take hours.

Now i dont know if your aware of this but Hamas hasnt paid for this electricity they have been receiving from Israel. And in fact the Israeli legal system wont let them shut it off big huge debate going on right now about that. This has also been the same problem for fuel Hamas doesnt want to pay PLO for fuel they they used to steal it from Egypt. For years, Hamas used to illegally smuggle its fuel in from Egypt which subsidizes fuels as a welfare measure to its own citizens. It would use some for power generation and tax the fuel it sold to ordinary Gazans, pocketing a hefty profit in the process.However, in the aftermath of the overthrow of former President Mohammed Morsi and facing its own ongoing financial crisis and fuel shortages, Egypt shut down the pipelines through the tunnels between the Sinal and Gaza months ago and continues to crack down on smuggling. So the plant that was attacked was operating in a limited capacity because Hamas refused to buy fuel to busy buying rockets and weapons from Iran.

now the fun part the fuel depot the reason why it didnt effect Gaza is the plant was barely operating as it was. Egyptian military’s campaign to destroy tunnels between Gaza and Sinai – more than 90 per cent have been removed since June 2013. They used to get 1 million litters a day now they get about 20,000 litters per week.And Hamas refused to pay the PLO for diesel well according to the PLO anyway. So the plant wasnt really operating if Hamas wants they could buy diesel and get it up and going. They were already rationing electricity because the plant wasnt in operation cut it back to 12 hours a day there is a major power crises in Gaza. Its a dispute between the PLO and Hamas.

www.maannews.net...

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Ah where to begin,

Though it is never explicitly stated, Segev's thesis is clear. Israeli fears of an Arab attack "had no basis in reality," he argues; "there was indeed no justification for the panic that preceded the war, nor for the euphoria that took hold after it." Rather than responding to an imminent Arab threat, Israelis were reacting out of a deep-seated trauma born of years of Jewish suffering

www.washingtonpost.com...

Israel actually struck first and then took the land, kinda sounds like an invasion does it not?

I believe you need to do some more research on the history of what actually happened, quoting a small piece of a tiny snipit does not constitute the truth or objectivity.....

And quoting from a THESIS is not history...

Also mean that the cameras will shut off.

How convenient.

a reply to: miniatus

"Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups.

nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas;

the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose

Could you not have read that up there without me having to put it up again for you?
You and other members are banging on about Hamas,want to know why this happened this time around?

Nathan Thrall, senior Mid East analyst at the International Crisis Group, writing in the New York Times: "The current escalation in Gaza is a direct result of the choice by Israel and the West to obstruct the implementation of the April 2014 Palestinian reconciliation agreement." Henry Siegman, former national director, American Jewish Congress, writing for Politico: "Israel's assault on Gaza.. was not triggered by Hamas' rockets directed at Israel but by Israel's determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June, even though that government was committed to honoring all of the conditions imposed by the international community for recognition of its legitimacy

Want to know who struck first?????

"Hamas operatives were behind a large volley of rockets which slammed into Israel Monday morning, the first time in years the Islamist group has directly challenged the Jewish state, according to Israeli defense officials.. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more

originally posted by: Fylgje
Oh but I'm sure the Israeli gov will claim that the Palestinians done it!! After all, the Israeli gov claims that the Palestinians are bombing their own hospitals and family parks. That's a good one, Satanyahoo.

Actually they never claimed that.. Hamas effectively IS bombing their own stuff however in a sense because they are launching rockets from those areas knowing full well that Israel will retaliate. A Hamas tactic has been to embed their launch sites in populated areas to deter a response. Effectively using Palestinians as human shields.

I have great sympathy for the civilians there, this whole thing is tragic.. loss of life on any level is a horrible thing, but I find it completely disgusting that Hamas uses them as human shields in the conflict.