US: No evidence of direct Russian link to plane

a reply to: Zaphod58
I see what you're looking at, but it looks like the wrong colour and too large in the a/c compared to the item in the wreckage - that looks to me like an air conditioning duct - they are often a brown-ish colour and made from composite material - "fiberglass" in the vernacular.

a reply to: spy66

It also looks nothing like an R-60. So I don't know what you're trying to get at. If anything it's part of the wreckage.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: spy66
Got a source for the picture?

Edit: The journalist is probably Noah Sneider - there's a transcript of one of his reports here - nothing about a bit of any missile actually being in eth wreckage.

I wonder if the rebels have been placing items in the crime scene.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Not a conclusion I would leap to without knowing quite a lot more.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: Xcathdra

Not a conclusion I would leap to without know quiet a lot more.

fixed

I wonder if the item in question is going to be from a used air to air missile. I am waiting for the claims.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: spy66

It also looks nothing like an R-60. So I don't know what you're trying to get at. If anything it's part of the wreckage.

You are right. The fins dont look like the once that would be on the R-60.

a reply to: spy66

There have been fighting in the area prior to the shoot down. There has been fighting after the shoot down. It could be an item that was present before or after.

I haven't found anything about that tube online & have resorted to asking on PPrune if anyone recognises it!!

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
and just as I wrote that someone else showed me this:



9M111 Fagot anti tank missile

Xcathdra this might be the "more knowledge" I was after....WTF would an AT missile - an unexploded one at that - be doing in the wreckage???

ETA: Of course the video doesn't actually show this item at the crash site in the first place!! It is just a 1-2 second flash with no panning to show its position relative to anything else. It could be just battlefield detritus lying nearby.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Further it appears that item was likely a missile being carried on the Il-76 shot down near Lugansk on June 14 - the shots either side of the item in the video are actually the Il-76 - NOT MH17 - you can see the Il-76 wing that is in the video just before and just after the item also features in this RT.com article

So apparently just shoddy video editing - "any wreckage will do" - leading to incorrect attribution as part of MH-17.

booooooring!!!

a reply to: maghun

Did they say that we created the conditions for creating the rebels that russians created the conditions for them to be able to shoot down a plane, that.the rebels we created the conditions for by supporting the ukraine, MAY have shot down?

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Further it appears that item was likely a missile being carried on the Il-76 shot down near Lugansk on June 14 - the shots either side of the item in the video are actually the Il-76 - NOT MH17 - you can see the Il-76 wing that is in the video just before and just after the item also features in this RT.com article

So apparently just shoddy video editing - "any wreckage will do" - leading to incorrect attribution as part of MH-17.

booooooring!!!

At what point did CNN show images from the IL-76 ?

Why would CNN mix two different crash sites when having abreaking News story about the MH17?

The image you have found do look exactly like the one on the CNN News story.

But why show this when they have abreaking News story about Mh17, If this belongs to the IL.76.
They are showing it as if it is a part of the Mh17 wreckage?

No Wonder this Whole thing becomes a conspiracy.

originally posted by: spy66

At what point did CNN show images from the IL-76 ?

Immediately before and after the object itself - just for a second or 2.

Why would CNN mix two different crash sites when having abreaking News story about the MH17?

The image you have found do look exactly like the one on the CNN News story.

But why show this when they have abreaking News story about Mh17, If this belongs to the IL.76.
They are showing it as if it is a part of the Mh17 wreckage?

Incompetence, laziness, bad reporting, need to have visuals to fill the article - you'd have to ask them.

Probably the same sort of reasons the Russians using images of 707's and an Ef-111 for their graphic of the event - general lack of knowledge, not thinking about it, etc.

No Wonder this Whole thing becomes a conspiracy.

Yep - people are very quick to read something nefarious into mistakes and incompetence!!

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

How could this be construed as either incompetence or mistakes ??

A picture of a missile that has nothing to do with the most important downed jetliner since 9/11, is somehow a MISTAKE?

I would shudder at what the REAL nefarious things would be then.

a reply to: ParasuvO

News organisations use wrong video all the time - if you are an expert on any particular subject then you will often pick up references to one thing while showing another.

That's one of the things that happens in the real world that doesn't seem to appear in conspiracy fantasies.

a reply to: kenboe

Subliminal slip on the front page of USA Today today? Copy says "Plane Hacked", and while this was a figurative expression about the Ukraine MH17 being cut in two by someone with a saw, there is an obvious double meaning.

Double meaning with video proof...Sorry but it has been shown they are cutting it up and trucking it out.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: ParasuvO

News organisations use wrong video all the time - if you are an expert on any particular subject then you will often pick up references to one thing while showing another.

That's one of the things that happens in the real world that doesn't seem to appear in conspiracy fantasies.

Why would they show the missile?

Why would they choose to impliment a missile that dosent belong to the MH17 wreckage. They must have chosen that image/vidoe for a reason. The missile wouldnt just randomly show up on its own.

It cant be a mistake by the producer because he would know the set up they are going to air With the story.

It seam that both russia and the western News media are just messing around With this thing.

Its like the Public is not suppoused to know the truth but be supportive of media and plotical views. Keep in mind that moste of the People dont go to a forum like this to gather knowledge, they just watch the News to get a update.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

9M111 Fagot anti tank missile

I hear you have to attack the tank from behind with this missile.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

Such records are not to be released to the public - they are ALWAYS "seized" in air accident investigations and given to the investigating authority - not newspapers!

But tapped phonecalls are within a few hours?

a reply to: spy66

Have anybody seen this thing. It is located within the wreckage.

Now wait when someone else uses say CNN it is considered trash as CNN has been found to be less then credible with it's reporting yet now we have it as a source.

How again does that work?