ACA Subsidies ruled illegal

Funny.

Now people are worried about all the people that won't be covered, but didn't shed a single tear for those millions that lost coverage due to the start of Obamacare.

Crocodile tears.

*sob*
*sniff*

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: jimmyx
that's great.....let's all give a middle finger to those that can't afford medical insurance....if you are poor and/or sick...tough cookies, you are on your own. poor people just need to go away and die.

What a utter boat load of Male Bovine Excrement, you know as well as I do Jimmy you can walk into any ER in California with a cold and they can't refuse you its the law. You don't even have to be legal citizen no insurance no money just a smile, and you are treated.

there seems to be a different opinion with these people...you know...the professionals that actually work there, not some politician or talk show host.
newsroom.acep.org...

Maybe the LAW will work for you and the fact I lived in So. Cal. for 53 years, and my best friend and his wife still living there is a nurse. She can tell you. She can tell you all about non english speaking illegals coming in for treatment for everything from colds to child birth. Sometimes its a scramble just to find interpreters.

Just google images for overcrowded california ER...

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Libertygal

ok...so...what do you want to happen to these people?...what is your solution?...not treat them?...turn them away and tell them their misery and suffering is their fault, and since they can't pay, please go away?

Have you not read a SINGLE word that I have posted?! "Those people" already HAD coverage under Medicare and Medicaid, which American workers are ALREADY taxed for! It amounts to double taxation.

"Those people" are NOT denied healthcare when they go to the hospital.

"Those people" will still have coverage if the ACA goes away. They already had it BEFORE the ACA.

The government has played on your fears and sympathies, put pictures in your mind that "those poeple" will be left to die without the ACA. YOU have been lied to.

Never, would "those people" have been left without care. They have not, nor will they in the future.

In fact, "THOSE PEOPLE" are why the health system is the way it is now, because the Senate and the Congress took Medicare money for other things, and left a little IOU note in the box, which never got repaid. This has been happening for dozens of years. We need to elect people who do not rob YOUR hard earned wages, which are already taxed, and steal it for other uses.

The taxpayers' money is misappropriated. THIS is what people are screaming about.

Instead, Dems lie, and say Republicans want to defund blah blah. NO! They want the taxpayers' money to go where intended! Not to build a park! For God's sake, stop robbing the very people they profess to want to help!

a reply to: beezzer

but didn't shed a single tear for those millions that lost coverage due to the start of Obamacare.

We did shed tears as we watched greedy insurance companies (corporate people) pumping Americans for every last drop of blood in fear of a dip in their financial portfolios.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Libertygal

ok...so...what do you want to happen to these people?...what is your solution?...not treat them?...turn them away and tell them their misery and suffering is their fault, and since they can't pay, please go away?

We can start with you paying for them instead of me. Let your kids wait at the ER not mine.

a reply to: Libertygal

no they don't..
some of the poor do yes
many are lost in the cracks
like I said there wasn't enough money to pay the bills and feed all of us.
and we weren't living high on the hog you can't point to the cable which we gave up about six month before
you can't point to the cellphones that we still don't have
to put it simply the single moms on welfare were living better than us!!!
my son had asthma!! far too many times he was kept home because we couldn't come up with the money to pay for that extra inhaler for school till payday came. and since we only had one car and that was a few counties away with my husband at his job (the highest paying machinist job he could find in the area!!) well there really wasn't any way that I could do without the two inhalers!

so tell me how the system provides the insulin the diabetic needs or the asthma medicine when one falls into the cracks
I really would like to know!

originally posted by: windword

Really? Where do you think you'd be without government subsidized roads, farms, dams and waterways, etc.?

The government has no money, except that which they steal from those of us who pay taxes. We subsidize the public projects with our money. The government is just the middleman.

What would be the quality of our food without the FDA?

Without the FDA, our food would not be GMO, and probably cheaper and less costly for the farmers and grocers.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Libertygal

The link you posted says this:

Split decision! Fed appeals courts disagree on Obamacare subsidies

In a dramatic split decision, two federal appeals court panels on Tuesday disagreed on whether billions of dollars of government subsidies that helped 4.7 million people buy insurance on HealthCare.gov are legal.

Source

I'm sure it will go to the Supreme Court.

Actually, the text has been changed since I posted, nothing I can do about that.

I did go and look into why, and here is what I found:

www.cnbc.com...

Separate US appeals court
upholds Obamacare
subsidies

55 Mins Ago
Reuters

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth
Circuit upheld a federal regulations that
implemented subsidies that are vital to
President Barack Obama's healthcare
overhaul, in direct conflict with another
ruling on the issue handed down earlier on
Tuesday.

I agree. It will go to the top.

In the meantime, however, corporations, which are set to start paying penalties next year, may be able to file for a deferment before the penalty kicks in, awaiting a final decision.

Individuals, as the text of the law stands now, may not be legally penalized. In those 36 states, that is.

This will be interesting to see now, how this all plays out. I wonder what Roberts is thinking right now.

A separate panel from a federal appeals
court in Washington on Tuesday morning
said the IRS could not offer premium tax
credits to people who purchase insurance
through the federal insurance marketplace
that serves most of the 8 million
consumers who have signed up for private
coverage for 2014.

a reply to: jimmyx

ok...so...what do you want to happen to these people?...what is your solution?...not treat them?...turn them away and tell them their misery and suffering is their fault, and since they can't pay, please go away?

The Democrats should have made contingency plans. You know, a "Plan B".

As this nightmare continues to get dismantled, Congress needs to address the old problems as well as the new problems created now.

Make a series of laws one at a time and make sure the damn things are actually legal this time.

Had they done that to begin with, the nightmares would never have happened.

a reply to: ketsuko

True, but keep in mind, but that doesn't mean that they will rule how they should rule. It's been my experience not to get my hopes up for things so early in the game.

This will be interesting to see now, how this all plays out. I wonder what Roberts is thinking right now.

We've wasted too much time already on this ill written law! Time to send it back to congress and hope they put more thought into it this time!!

at least that is what I hope he is thinking!!!

a reply to: dawnstar
Look, I can't answer to your particular situation. I even had issues with my daughter in law. The thing is, this is where the problems need to be addressed, NOT in amnesty and covering millions and millions of illegals that continue to flood into our country and abuse the system.

We have always needed to start at home, and take care of ours first.

And if you couldn't afford the second inhaler, that's serious, but, there are also community programs and churches as well.

When my daughter was two, she caught a terrible cold and got an ear infection. We spent what little money we had on just taking her to the doctor. We could not afford the prescription, but I found a church to help.

If she were in agony, and suffering, no emergency room would have denied her treatment, however.

That was the basis of the discussion.

When it comes to individual issues, we ALL have them.

Look, I am not saying healthcare isn't broken, it is. But, the ACA was not the answer. That is most certain.

a reply to: xuenchen

The Democrats should have made contingency plans.

So that's it? Only Democrats care about the governmental interests of public health, safety and welfare of the people our government represents. What are Republicans good for? Oh yeah, protecting in the 1%.

Time to vote out "Do Nothing" "Just Say No" Republicans.

a reply to: windword

Can you explain to me why a government needs to "DO" anything to begin with? It's been my experience that everything the government seems to get involved with just makes things worse for everyone involved (except maybe a few people who get insanely rich). Did it ever occur to you that some people may view politicians working to take laws off the books as actually "DO"ing something?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: xuenchen

The Democrats should have made contingency plans.

So that's it? Only Democrats care about the governmental interests of public health, safety and welfare of the people our government represents. What are Republicans good for? Oh yeah, protecting in the 1%.

Time to vote out "Do Nothing" "Just Say No" Republicans.

The member said that the Democrats should have made contingency plans.
It would be the job of the Democrats alone to make contingency plans for their law...plans for the many shortcomings in the law...
It was their law, they own it.

a reply to: Libertygal

obamacare is more like a "tough crap pay for it anyways!" deal..

not to mention I sincerely believe it made matters worse!
I am just the type of person who believes things can't be improved unless we accept what is. And the fact of the matter is that our healthcare didn't meet the needs of all our members before obamacare and obamacare really didn't address that issue any. and considering how much tax money goes into heathcare through various means..
it should!!!

a reply to: beezzer

The three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit that the ambiguity in the statute's language means the subsidies can be given to both those who signed up using state exchanges and those who used federal exchanges.

U.S. Appeals Courts Issue Conflicting Decisions On Obamacare Subsidies

When asked for his opinion, John Boehner replied.....

a reply to: butcherguy

Once again, The Patient Protection Act, and the Affordable Care Act were created in bi-partisan committee. These laws belong to Americans, not Democrats, not Republicans.

a reply to: windword
I am growing weary of the lies.

Republicans have tried, man, many, many, times to get bills into legislation. Once again, the Dems have lied over and over, to try to make them look bad.

Truth of the matter is, the REAL do nothing, while claiming it is Republicans, is Harry Reid. He has cockblocked every attempt by Republicans to get a bill to Congress.


m.nationalreview.com...

Harry Reid is the problem, and the Dem mantras are getting old. If you repeat the lies enough, you start to believe them. It is Reid, Pelosi, and Obama'a way, or the highway.

Reality is, Republicans have tried, and been drowned out by Dem mouthpieces.

t took a while, but the media seem to have finally noticed Senate
majority leader Harry Reid’s unprecedented obstructionism.

The New York Times reported last week on Reid’s “brutish style”
and “uncompromising control” over the amendments process in
the Senate. Why are more people finally catching on to Reid’s
flagrant disregard for Senate customs? In part because
conservatives aren’t the only ones complaining.

Democrats such as Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota — who wants to
repeal Obamacare’s medical-device tax — and Kirsten Gillibrand of
New York — who has waged a highly publicized campaign to
reform the way the military handles sexual-assault cases — have
been denied votes on their proposed amendments to various bills.

Reid has refused to bring up measures that would almost certainly
pass with bipartisan support, such as legislation approving
construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, or the aforementioned
medical-device-tax repeal.