ACA Subsidies ruled illegal

A top court has ruled the ACA, Obama Care subsidies, in states that opted out of exchanges and allowed the Federal Government to run their exchanges, illegal.

Fed appeals court panel
says most Obamacare
subsidies illegal

www.cnbc.com...

Dan Mangan | @_DanMangan
19 Mins Ago
CNBC.com

The ruling also threatens, in the same 36
states, to gut the Obamacare rule starting
next year that all employers with 50 or
more full-time workers offer affordable
insurance to them or face fines. That's
because the rule only kicks in if one of
such an employers' workers buy
subsidized covered on HealthCare.gov.

I have tried, in many threads, to explain that the "fine", called a tax in order to pass the bill into law, was illegal in states that had opted out.

Many people who could not afford insurance were upset about being forced to eithee buy insurance or face a penalty. The penalty, like the cake, is a lie.

Well....

The entire bill was passed illegally. People can say what they want, but the bill originated in the wrong part of Congress, has had constant illegal executive orders passed, helped to fund private companies that are friends of the administration, and a whole fish nest of other things.....

I'm sure people will get up in arms about it, but the entire thing stinks of socialism and a way of life that is against what the founders intended for us.

"We have to pass it to know what's in it!"

Indeed....

does this mean all those who received these now illegal subsidies are now on the hook for the full cost, or can they opt out of their policies?

this is really gonna hurt the affordable care act i would think. i wonder how many will try to opt out, or just not pay their premiums, and how this will effect everyone else with policies since if many people aren't paying will everyone else's rates skyrocket as a result?

a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I agree. They are attempting to do the exact same thing with immigration, but that's another thread.

This is just the first of many lawsuits to come. All of them have basis, and is exactly what Roberts encouraged people to do when he handed down his infamous opinion, passing ACA as a tax, into law.

SCOTUS was viewed as aiding and abetting, which by some opinons they did, but, most gloss over the part of the opinion that encouraged people to fight the law, they way this suit did. It was subtle, but, it was there.

originally posted by: Libertygal
a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I agree. They are attempting to do the exact same thing with immigration, but that's another thread.

This is just the first of many lawsuits to come. All of them have basis, and is exactly what Roberts encouraged people to do when he handed down his infamous opinion, passing ACA as a tax, into law.

SCOTUS was viewed as aiding and abetting, which by some opinons they did, but, most gloss over the part of the opinion that encouraged people to fight the law, they way this suit did. It was subtle, but, it was there.

Exactly.

Their tactics are to overwhelm the public. Once the public eye is overstimulated by this, and that, the public mind grows fuzzy and allows things to happen.

Once the confusion settles people start to get pissed once they realize the horrible truth of a situation.

Have you notices how many times the phrase "humanitarian crisis" has been used since the boarder has become an issue? They are trying to brainwash people, and make them think emotionally.

They did the same with Obamacare by making people think they are evil, racist, and wrong if they are against it. But once the law goes into effect... People see the truth.

Stick a fork in her. The ACA is done for. Only a matter of time.


Nice catch OP. Good on you for seeing this exact thing coming.

a reply to: generik

This means they can, and always have been, legally allowed to opt out. The administration used the IRS penalty as a threat to strong arm people into opting in, when legally, they never really had to. It was optional.

That, and all of the propoganda, Pajama Boy, and the threat of impending deadlines, the lack of truth about the law, sent people scurrying to do something, financially, they could never afford to begin with.

The 36 states that opted out, I have stated from the beginning, were never allowed to penalize, or tax anyone, nor, to force them into the exchanges.

The people that did sign up were simply funding healthcare for others, many illegals, whom Obama swore would not get insurance, and Medicaid and Medicare, which coffers the government has raped repeatedly for non-healthcare interests.

In the end, the lack of being able to get either people to pay premiums or fines, it obliterates funding.

This is so why Obama has been in such a rush to replace judges with liberal appointees.

a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I'm sure people will get up in arms about it, but the entire thing stinks of socialism and a way of life that is against what the founders intended for us.

Exactly. America is supposed to be a country where the elite white citizens and groups of elite white citizens freely prey on on everyone else for fun and profit.

Freedom is a game and they lost. I won. Quit whining and bleed out already. The US let's predatory corporations define the human condition? So? Winners win. Move to Gaza if you don't like it.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: MentorsRiddle

I'm sure people will get up in arms about it, but the entire thing stinks of socialism and a way of life that is against what the founders intended for us.

Exactly. America is supposed to be a country where the elite white citizens and groups of elite white citizens freely prey on on everyone else for fun and profit.

Freedom is a game and they lost. I won. Quit whining and bleed out already. The US let's predatory corporations define the human condition? So? Winners win. Move to Gaza if you don't like it.

This is NOT ABOUT RACE!!!!!!

The law really needs to go into the trashbin now!!
I kind of feel sorry for those who went through the federal exchange and had their insurance subsidized.
Will they now owe the insurance company the money that was subsidized up till now? Ya know it wouldn't surprise me!

As far as the mandate goes, it wouldn't surprised me if that is the only thing standing at the end of the game.
Who cares if you can afford it or not- BUY IT or else!! Just like who cares if you can afford a home, either come up with one or we'll provide you with a nice jail cell!

that's great.....let's all give a middle finger to those that can't afford medical insurance....if you are poor and/or sick...tough cookies, you are on your own. poor people just need to go away and die.

originally posted by: jimmyx
that's great.....let's all give a middle finger to those that can't afford medical insurance....if you are poor and/or sick...tough cookies, you are on your own. poor people just need to go away and die.

Oh come on Jimmy, Knock it off. You know as well as I do that this is a good thing, the law as it was passed stinks! They had the votes in place to pass a single payer system that, much like Social Security, would have been able to pass court challenges. This law needs to go.

originally posted by: lightedhype
Stick a fork in her. The ACA is done for. Only a matter of time.


Nice catch OP. Good on you for seeing this exact thing coming.

The information has been out there since the law was passed. It just took standing outside all of the hyperbole and not buyng into the propoganda, to see it.

I largely blame the MSM, every one of them, for pushing the government propoganda, and not the truth of the law.

The plain text has been there the entire time, but it has been drowned out, intentionally, by a panicked administration who knew they couldn't fund this without draing money from the taxpayers.

The first clue should have been when the administration denied it was a tax until it got to SCOTUS, then, the truth came out, that it was a tax.

Call a spade a spade. The IRS is enforcing it, it's a tax.

Now, if they had taken all the money they spent on advertising with Pajama Boy, the thousands of new IRS employees, and the "exchange helpers" that were making 49.00 an hour, the nearly one billion they GAVE to a Canadian corporation to write tgis disaster, and all of the money they have spent, secretly for two years fomenting the "border crisis", they could have easily funded healthcare for the needy, that MAJORITY of who signed up on exchanges.

Most were already qualified for Medicaid and Medicare. The states, 36 of them that opted out, simply read the plain text of the law.

They should have read the bill.

a reply to: jimmyx

I really never saw how this helped that problem anyways!
the affordable care act seemed to just make everything more expensive!
and well one can always get poorer and do what is necessary to get medicare

obamacare just made it so that I would have less money for my needs
the deductibles seem to become higher so unless I had a real costly health problem it would be rather useless.. And the trick to avoiding those big health problems is to be able to obtain regular care for them before they become big!! That monthly premium that they thought I should be sending to the insurance company would at least have helped pay for some of that regular care!

The system is screwed................replace it.

originally posted by: Majic
They should have read the bill.

What/ Before they passed it?

Crazy talk!

a reply to: dawnstar

The results remain to be seen, but the good thing is, people that bought outrageously expensive policies, some paying more than their monthly mortgage payment, will be relieved that they will never be forced to buy a government mandated insurance again. Nor, can they be penalized for not doing so, nor can corporations be fined.

This also throws an axe into healthcare services provided by companies, such as Hobby Lobby, in states that have opted out.

36 states is a LOT.

a reply to: Libertygal

Here's a chart my MD shared with me back in Feb/March of 2013. It outlines the new "Regulations/Requirements/Mandates, Reporting Requirements, Oversight, Money Flows, Consultation/Advisory/Info Sharing, and Structural Connections" relationships implemented under ACA.

Link to larger version, more easily legible.


Hmm... Many of the "Money Flow" lines lead to the IRS. And we all know how upstanding an agency they are, right? /sarcasm. Also interesting is the fact that three sections are required to report to the Homeland Security Department.

What a clusterfluff. Wonderful example of the inefficiencies of bureaucracy.

This chart alone was enough to convince me to not take part, consequences be damned.

Glad to hear we're making progress in over turning this abomination.

a reply to: Libertygal

I don't see where the law can stand now without the administration getting out their pens and wasting a few of them concocting a way out! So much money wasted..
And yes they should have read the bill before it was passed!!
they should have let us read the bill before it was passed!!
without them altering a danged word of it before it was passed!!!