Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

a reply to: Psynic
Well I doubt anyone wants to use this airline now.
Are they still flying, people booking flights?

Not really expecting anything from Boeing.

Exactly we have no real way of knowing what is real or not, things seem a little to convient

An Australian experts view.

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The former head of safety at Qantas has questioned whether Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 should have been flying over the eastern Ukraine given the heightened state of the conflict with Russia.
Ron Bartsch, who now heads international aviation consultancy AvLaw International, said airline network planners had a choice over whether they wanted to fly over dangerous areas or to go around them, even if it would require more fuel.


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3. Nationalities Following this afternoon’s press conference, Malaysia Airlines can confirm that a further 16 passengers’ nationalities have been verified. The latest breakdown of nationalities of those on board the flight is as follows: ·
189 Netherlands ·
44 Malaysia ·
27 Australia ·
12 Indonensia ·
9 UK ·
4 Belgium ·
4 Germany ·
3 Philippines ·
1 Canada ·
1 New Zealand

Four passengers’ nationalities remain to be verified.

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UNITED NATIONS (AP) — U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Friday that the United States cannot rule out that Russia helped in the launch of the surface-to-air missile that shot down a Malaysian Airlines jet over eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.

Power said the U.S. believes the plane was likely downed by an SA-11 missile fired from an area in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatists. She said Russia has provided SA-11s and other heavy weapons to the separatists.

The Malaysian jet was flying at a cruising altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 meters) from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on an established flight corridor when it was shot down Thursday, she said.

Power said that early Thursday a Western reporter reported an SA-11 system in separatist-controlled territory near Snizhne, "and separatists were spotted hours before the incident with an SA-11 SAM system close to the site where the plane came down."

"Separatists initially claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane, and claimed responsibility and posted videos that are now being connected to the Malaysian Airlines crash," Power said. "Separatist leaders also boasted on social media about shooting down a plane, but later deleted these messages."

"Because of the technical complexity of the SA-11, it is unlikely that the separatists could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. Thus, we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russian personnel in operating the systems," she said

The SA-11 platform is also known as BUK.

Friday, July 18, 08:20 PM GMT +0800 Media Statement 4 : MH17 Incident

Media Statement 4: MH17 Incident
1. Flight plan
MH17’s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace. Eurocontrol is the air navigation service provider for Europe and is governed under ICAO rules. The route over Ukrainian airspace where the incident occurred is commonly used for Europe to Asia flights. A flight from a different carrier was on the same route at the time of the MH17 incident, as were a number of other flights from other carriers in the days and weeks before. Eurocontrol maintains records of all flights across European airspace, including those across Ukraine. In April, the International Civil Aviation Organization identified an area over the Crimean peninsula as risky. At no point did MH17 fly into, or request to fly into, this area. At all times, MH17 was in airspace approved by the ICAO.

2. Altitude
MH17 filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft throughout Ukrainian airspace. This is close to the ‘optimum’ altitude. However, an aircraft’s altitude in flight is determined by air traffic control on the ground. Upon entering Ukrainian airspace, MH17 was instructed by Ukrainian air traffic control to fly at 33,000ft.
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This is interesting - nervous separatists?

a reply to: keenasbro


The airline says MH17’s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol


It was still risky territory to fly over.

It's really despicable these rebels are trampling through the wreckage, removing the ID from the victims. They have taken bodies away. The rest are decomposing because the Pro's haven't arrived.
When will they get there?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
This is interesting - nervous separatists?

Why have the victims been taken some 180 miles to Kharkiv??

a reply to: neo96

Why can't he be talking to Putin in the air?

originally posted by: violet
It's really despicable these rebels are trampling through the wreckage, removing the ID from the victims. They have taken bodies away. The rest are decomposing because the Pro's haven't arrived.
When will they get there?

They are trying.

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If Ukraine rebels shot down MH17, Russia could reap the whirlwind -
Moscow is adamant that it had nothing to do with the destruction of the commercial airliner. But Russian experts say that proof that rebels were involved will bring the West down hard on Putin.

Russian security experts – if not the Kremlin – were coming to grips Friday with the likelihood that the Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down by an advanced air defense missile wielded by pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region.

If the allegations prove true, they warn the global outrage against Russia will be comparable to the white-hot fury that took hold after the USSR shot down Korean airliner KAL 007 in 1983 after mistaking it for a US spy plane.

A similar level of isolation and world-wide condemnation could be facing Russia now, they say, unless President Vladimir Putin takes decisive steps to demonstrate that the Kremlin wants to be a constructive actor amid Ukraine's spiraling crisis.

"The facts will inevitably come in, and if it is shown that Russian-supported rebels did this, the whole conversation about Ukraine will change," says Alexander Golts, a military expert with the online journal Yezhednevny Zhurnal. "In the eyes of the world there will be no difference between Russia and the rebels. Everyone knows who arms and supports these rebels, and that will be enough for most people to blame Russia."

Some argue that it's possible the horror of the airliner's downing in the heart of Europe could force all sides to step back from the escalating hostilities in eastern Ukraine and the increasingly vicious "information war" that has accompanied it.

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Nervous is not the title of the article - this is -

Cover-up: Ukraine rebels destroying all links to MH17 air atrocity

Pro-Russia separatist groups in eastern Ukraine are hastily covering up all links to the Buk missile battery suspected to have been used to shoot down the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane, according to western-based defence and intelligence specialists.

As the UN security council called for a "full, thorough independent international investigation" into the downing of the plane, concern that a cover-up was under way was fuelled by a standoff at part of the crash site between observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and rebel gunmen, which ended with a warning shot being fired.

Postings on rebel websites immediately after the crash boasted of having shot down what they claimed was an Antonov Ukrainian military transport plane, but these have since been deleted.

In Washington, President Obama called for a full, impartial investigation and said the tragedy should cause people to "snap their heads together" and stop playing games in Ukraine. Putting pressure on Moscow over Ukraine, Obama said: "The violence that's taking place there is facilitated in large part because of Russian support."

The US ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, blamed a surface-to-air missile fired by rebels in eastern Ukraine and hinted that they might have had Russian technical help. The rebels are suspected of having used a Russian-built, vehicle-mounted Buk missile system to bring down MH17, killing all 298 passengers and crew. Power called for the crash site to be preserved. "All evidence must be undisturbed," she said. "Russia needs to help make this happen."

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Malaysian 777, Flight 17, on july 17th, to the day on the 17th year after its 1st flight, with 100 specialists flying to the AIDS conference...

Oh yeah, that's only 4 months after the 1st Malaysian 777 simply disappeared into thin air.

777 777 17 17 17, all of that is a pure cosmic coincidence, not to mention all the other freaky stuff to go with it...

Putin did it! The entire world must immediately condemn entire Russia and under threat of war arrest all of their land and assets!

a reply to: Xcathdra
Yet, according to The Guardian, this is what the rebels said earlier:

"Pro-Russian separatists will welcome experts from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and from Ukraine's government to the crash site of the Malaysian airliner, one of their leaders confirmed to Reuters.


"Today 17 new workers and four official experts from Kiev arrived in Donetsk. Soon they are due to arrive at the site of the tragedy. We support the maximum number of experts possible," Sergei Kavtaradze said""

The OSCE are welcome, as soon as the rebels are done with whatever they need to do first?? Isnt that like stopping the police at a crime scene and tell them to wait a while???

a reply to: Floke

And the article linked states the investigators showed up on scene, are being denied full access, no one can tell them where the black boxes are, etc.

As for your last comment the rebels are not police and they are not securing the scene as police would. By doing what they are doing, they are compromising the scene in terms of forensic evidence.

When an incident occurs with criminal implications, those experts who are specifically trained in that area are brought in. The police are not going to investigate a scene they have no expertise in since it would make any evidence collected worthless.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The SAM does not vapourize into dust the wreckage of its two stage motor would fall back to earth motors usually have identification numbers the missile wreckage needs to be found there are also many variants of this missile,identifying the variant may also help deduce ownership.

a reply to: Xcathdra
Yes they are acting very fishy, to say the least. They have no buisness taking the black box in the first place. Isnt it usuallly given to either the country the plane crashed in or the manufacturer of the plane?? I understand if they guard the site in fear of looting or people getting hurt on wreckage, but stoping the investigators is plain out stupid and just doesnt exactly help their credibility.

Im sorry for using the word Police. I meant crime scene investigators. In Sweden we usually just call them all the police. What I meant is exactly what you wrote. The rebels are stopping the investigators from doing their job. If investigators arrive at a crime scene and some people tell the to go away, it doesnt exactly seem like the behavor of innocent people