Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: charlyv

Most? At LEAST five airlines that claimed to be avoiding the airspace have been seen overflying the Ukraine.

It is still most.
British Airways, Air France, Quantas, Air Berlin, Asiana airlines, Korean airlines, China airlines all took alternate routes.
US based airlines prohibited any where near there.

a reply to: charlyv

So they say anyway. The ones caught haven't been named other than FinnAir, who outed themselves.

Dutch 'furious' at reports of mistreatment at crash site in Ukraine

KIEV (Reuters) - Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans said on Saturday the Netherlands was "angry, furious" by news that bodies were being dragged around the site where a Malaysian airliner crashed in eastern Ukraine.

At a meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, Timmermans said: "We are already shocked by the news we got today of bodies being dragged around, of the site not being treated properly ... People are angry, furious."

click link for remainder of article.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Ive seen a dispute over the time stamp but people are arguing its time differences caused by time zones. Weve seen this happen before computers keep local times the press uses GMT or there local time zone if there international meaning conceivably you could have huge differences in reported times an local times.

The time stamp issue is purely down to the You Tube encoding servers being behind by 1 day? It is quite ridiculous that die-hard conspiracy theorists are going down that path.

See analysis at following link.

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Further proof of the You Tube servers being behind is the Obama speech on the MH17 tragedy. The time stamp makes it appear that the video was created before the tragedy. Stand by for one of the die-hard CT picking up on that

Analysis at following link

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It is a mindset that you can't argue with. They will never accept that time stamps can be out!

MH17 and MH370: Dutch cyclist booked to fly on both doomed Malaysia Airlines planes

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Too good MSM

originally posted by: CloudsTasteMetallic

Would anyone be so kind as to compile all relevant developments to this story so far into a reply?

Thanks in advance.

Sure, no problem.

In honour of the Centennial of WWI, MH370 has been renumbered as MH17 (the year America entered 'The Great War'), filled with explosives, corpses and souvenirs of Holland, then remotely piloted via a fighter escort from Diego Garcia to the Ukraine where the explosives were detonated over No-Man's land, creating a literal line in the sand (albeit consisting of cadavers) the US could accuse Putin of crossing.

The hope being the resulting war status will cure the failing financial situation, refresh the Blues grip on power, assist in the militarization of NA, divert from the nuclear doomsday machine of Fukushima and ultimately reduce the world population to something a little more manageable. Say, 500 million..................................................Americans.

You're welcome.

originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: dragonridr
Ive seen a dispute over the time stamp but people are arguing its time differences caused by time zones. Weve seen this happen before computers keep local times the press uses GMT or there local time zone if there international meaning conceivably you could have huge differences in reported times an local times.

The time stamp issue is purely down to the You Tube encoding servers being behind by 1 day? It is quite ridiculous that die-hard conspiracy theorists are going down that path.

See analysis at following link.

Link 1

Further proof of the You Tube servers being behind is the Obama speech on the MH17 tragedy. The time stamp makes it appear that the video was created before the tragedy. Stand by for one of the die-hard CT picking up on that

Analysis at following link

Link 2

It is a mindset that you can't argue with. They will never accept that time stamps can be out!

Well we cleared that up quickly i was looking at 5 pages of arguments at the bottom of a BBC link to the video. But your right looks like Obama time traveled or the server wrong i think ill go with the easier of the two.

originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: CloudsTasteMetallic

Would anyone be so kind as to compile all relevant developments to this story so far into a reply?

Thanks in advance.

Sure, no problem.

In honour of the Centennial of WWI, MH370 has been renumbered as MH17 (the year America entered 'The Great War'), filled with explosives, corpses and souvenirs of Holland, then remotely piloted via a fighter escort from Diego Garcia to the Ukraine where the explosives were detonated over No-Man's land, creating a literal line in the sand (albeit consisting of cadavers) the US could accuse Putin of crossing.

The hope being the resulting war status will cure the failing financial situation, refresh the Blues grip on power, assist in the militarization of NA, divert from the nuclear doomsday machine of Fukushima and ultimately reduce the world population to something a little more manageable. Say, 500 million..................................................Americans.

You're welcome.

The really sad part is i think you actually believe this. Wow really? Ok do we have any proof of these allegations or are they just conjecture no you know what forget i asked thanks.

U.S. Intel Points To Russian-Rebel Missile Connection In Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash

New U.S. intelligence assessments indicate that Moscow likely provided pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine with sophisticated antiaircraft systems in recent days, matching evidence put forward by Ukraine and bolstering charges that Russia was the source of the weapon that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 this week, killing 298.

Full article - Wall Street Journal - U.S. Points to Russian Missile Connection in Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash Russia Cited As Likely Supplier of Deadly Antiaircraft Missile

U.S. officials say they now suspect that Russia supplied the rebels with multiple SA-11 antiaircraft systems by smuggling them into eastern Ukraine with other military equipment, including tanks.

Further, U.S. officials believe the systems were moved back across the border into Russia following the shoot down of the jetliner, buttressing what Ukraine charges is an attempt by the rebels and their Russian advisers to cover up their involvement in the crash.

"The assumption is they're trying to remove evidence of what they did," said a senior U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence.

The expanding case against the Ukrainian separatists and the Kremlin comes as U.S. and Western leaders have swapped rounds of phone calls since Friday, calling for greater pressure against Moscow and a renewed effort to secure the chaotic crash site in eastern Ukraine and ensure that human remains receive proper attention. Secretary of State John Kerry phoned his Russian counterpart on the issue Saturday. (Follow the latest updates on the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.)

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I'm completely on the fence with this - I don't believe the claims of either side and certainly don't put any faith in the media reports from either side. Until an investigation has been completed, nobody can claim to know what happened. I'm disgusted in the leaders of our nations - particularly my own - beating the war drums and laying blame prematurely, I'm not surprised though.
Anyway, I've been looking into what I believe are relatively reliable sources of info (or the lesser of evils in regards to where to source info from) and thought I'd add this, which is probably a fairly balanced summary of what's going on at the crash site:

The SMM obtained very limited access to the crash site of Malaysia Airlines MH17, which came down on 17 July near Hrabove (79 km east of Donetsk). There were dead bodies at the scene, marked, but exposed to the elements. No process of debris collection was observed. Some of the ’Donetsk People’s Republic’s‘ guards were visibly intoxicated and aggressive.

From www.osce.org... who are the organisation that all sides have agreed should have access to the site for investigation, iirc.

JUNE 17 is the date of this tweet you may need translate as is in Russian

twitter.com...

Скоро над Руиной будет сбит лайнер битком набитый невинными евро-туристами. Це явится поводом для официального приглашения НАТО. Так вижу.

Soon will be shot down over the ruins of the liner packed full of innocent euro-tourists. Tse will be the occasion for the official invitation to NATO. So I see.

tweet translated

This is a wild theory:

What if the 777 that went missing months ago is actually the one that was shot down ?

In other words, the first 777 was "stolen" and used as a fake to be shot down, without any casualties, while the actual Second 777 was "stolen" without anyone noticing.

If this is true, than this whole thing was a set up in order to have some important people from both the flights go missing, no questions asked, as well as to kill two birds with one stone by causing tensions to rise between Ukraine and Russia.


As I said, this is a wild theory.

a reply to: Oksus

Then where is the one that boarded in Amsterdam?

a reply to: Xcathdra

why post this rubbish?

a reply to: onefellswoop


What's the problem with it?

It's all planned. One false flag after another. America infiltrated, Israel. The plan? World control. Laugh if you want. This is one act among many.

a reply to: Oksus

Not really enough there to call a "Theory".

You have two jumbo-jets worth of people to account for and even with the rebels carting off evidence, the number of parts left will absolutely identify which jet it is.

Basically all that your "Theory" has to go is that two planes from the same airline have been in incidents this year.

a reply to: droid56


hahaha....happy?

a reply to: Leonidas
Not happy. Just what I believe. Actually it is more than something I believe. I am sure it's true.

originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: CloudsTasteMetallic

Would anyone be so kind as to compile all relevant developments to this story so far into a reply?

Thanks in advance.

Sure, no problem.

In honour of the Centennial of WWI, MH370 has been renumbered as MH17 (the year America entered 'The Great War'), filled with explosives, corpses and souvenirs of Holland, then remotely piloted via a fighter escort from Diego Garcia to the Ukraine where the explosives were detonated over No-Man's land, creating a literal line in the sand (albeit consisting of cadavers) the US could accuse Putin of crossing.

The hope being the resulting war status will cure the failing financial situation, refresh the Blues grip on power, assist in the militarization of NA, divert from the nuclear doomsday machine of Fukushima and ultimately reduce the world population to something a little more manageable. Say, 500 million..................................................Americans.

You're welcome.

Is this an attempt at trying to be funny? Or do you really believe what you have posted here?