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originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: joelr
There are so many misconceptions in that post, so many assumptions, that I think it is better if I first ask you:
Do you honestly care about what I would have to say or are you simply wanting to debase my post?
p.s. Math can only measure math. number = number
It seems to me like hitting the pole is going to cause the opposite of the desired effect. If you want to hit your opponent harder to cause more damage, the pole will train you to do the opposite because if you hit the pole harder you'll only injure yourself, not the pole.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
When I say maximum power i'm referring to how much energy is lost due to over penetration, causing a shoving like transfer instead of a sharp quick impulse where the energy goes in, and stays in. There's a sweet spot in striking mechanics that allows this. Hitting the pole and listening to the tone tells you if you're hitting that sweet spot.
I don't see how an analogy of a bullet making a clean hole through a target applies to martial arts. Are you making holes in your opponents? No. So this doesn't seem relevant.
Obviously I'm having trouble accurately describing whats going on hence the interrogatory to you guys.
Like for example. A 12 gauge deer slug at close range transfers more energy into the target at 850 feet per second than a 750 grain .50 cal bullet traveling at 2,600 feet per second. Or the net energy transferred is higher at least. The .50 cal will go right through the target at close range like a laser and barely do anything to it. The 12 gauge slug transfers all that momentum because it's not too fast and not too slow, but in that sweet spot.
Another analogy that like the bullet making a hole is on its own true, but not so relevant to fighting. To make it relevant you'd need to have two objects of about the same mass (like your fist striking your opponent's fist perhaps) and that is almost never (or never?) the intended target.
Or maybe a better example is a billiard ball striking another ball. You can strike too hard and both balls travel in the same direction after the. You can strike too light and you barely tap the ball. Or you could do one of those things where you get it so that the que ball strikes the billiard ball and the que ball stops where it struck and the energy transfers to the billiard which goes flying. Isn't that the "Maximum" transfer of energy in that case from the que ball to the billiard ball?
Yes there is, but many training methods are scientifically flawed, depending on what your goals are in fighting. If you're sparring with someone you're hopefully not trying to kill or put your sparring partner in the hospital. If you're fighting for your life in a street fight your goals could be entirely different where trying to maim your opponent is no longer off the table. Think about it, if you were really doing maximum damage all the time you'd be putting all your sparring partners in the hospital, but fortunately Bob the dummy can take quite a beating.
There is an actual science behind fighting.
This doesn't sound very scientific. Positioning and timing are no doubt very important, but I don't think the rest of that statement is true and it's certainly not a scientific statement, it's non-scientific hyperbole.
Or as a the De Thouars Brothers say Speed is meaningless, Power is garbage. The real art is in positioning and timing.
Even the "winner" of a serious fight can sustain injuries during a fight, and since i prefer to remain relatively uninjured my strategy is to knock my opponent down and run away so I don't have to fight, so shudder in place doesn't work for me. I want him flat on the ground while I'm running away. The last thing I want to do is for me and him to stand there and pound the crap out of each other. And yes taking advantage of the fact that he's only got two legs instead of three is key in knocking him over as you suggested.
making the heavy bag swing violently when you strike it is no good, but making it shudder in place is good.
Turn the hip but the kick can either be horizontal or at other angles. You can see the horizontal kick in this video at 1:15 and 1:24 where he emphasizes turning the hip, but I don't know what you mean by "striking angle down at 45 degrees to the head".
Hey I did tae kwon do and got a black belt back when I was a teen and did tournaments. question for you. I was taught to do the round house kick where you nearly completely turn your hip over so as the striking angle is down at 45 degrees to the head and not horizontal or on the up swing. I found it a lot more effective than just swinging the leg and I noticed more of the Korean taught guys did it that way too but the american schools taught it the other way. Wondering how you were taught it or use it.
You'll notice Bob the dummy isn't getting knocked over as much in the roundhouse kick video compared to the earlier front kick video I posted, so it's not just my roundhouse kick that's weaker than the front kick, it's the physics of the kick. However that doesn't mean you can't knock someone out with one of those to the side of the head which he demonstrates later in the same video, but there are risks to that kick to the head, since you're fairly exposed while doing it.
As far as Bob the dummy. He's great. But he's just a training tool. AS is a mook jong, a simple pole, a brick wall, a speed bag, a pile of stacked tires and many others. It's never a be-all solution though. None of them really are. Hence the variety.
I don't know if "love" describes how I feel about that dummy, but yes I think I'd rather train using that than a pole!
But if you like Bob. Then you are going to LOVE this.
www.youtube.com...
originally posted by: joelr
originally posted by: ImaFungi
Field theory is saying; we do not know where in space electrons and photons are, unless we measure them (and even then, there can be issues) but an electron could potentially travel there and there, and be there and there and a photon too, so field theory is to keep in mind that we do not know where electrons and photons are at all given times but they could be all around, and so we must consider them as potential actors on that which we do observe?
That seems to be true. We can also measure them indirectly. And we can never know both position and momentum to an accurate degree.
originally posted by: greenreflections
coz 'position' will be your detector position in sensor array ( that got hit first). How do you derive 'momentun' from it? In other words, how momentum is measured? Is it not from same sensor that took 'position'?
Lol nice one
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
originally posted by: Nochzwei
ques: wt has become of qeg, blp, e cat, steorn?
They're all being used to generate free energy on that island where JFK, Elvis, and Tupac live.
When you begin to talk about things not of this earth, things get "unearthly", especially with concepts like "vacuum" and "temperature" which can be context-sensitive. For example, some people say that astronauts who walked on the moon needed space suits because the moon has no atmosphere. But other people say the moon does have a thin atmosphere.
originally posted by: IamSandSHEisB
I know nobody will believe me, I don't care.
Science is very backwards. I don't know how people still believe space is a vacuum.
Again you need to talk numbers, this is way too general. How much pressure are you talking about and do you know the sources? We generally think of the International space station as being in space, but actually it's in low earth orbit so it's not a perfect vacuum outside the ISS, in fact NASA knows this quite well as they will tell you a big drain on their budget is sending fuel up to the ISS to boost its orbit which is necessary because of drag caused by the non-zero pressure (thin atmosphere) it's traveling though.
If you are scientifically minded, think about that for a moment. If space were a vacuum, we wouldn't exist. We would have no atmosphere.
Space is a pressurized.
So why don't you be the one to write your paper proving what you say is true and then get your Nobel prize for doing so? That's the way science works, nothing is engraved in stone. Someone else can come along and prove they have a better theory, but I'm afraid to say you haven't proven much here except that there's apparently a lot of science you don't know. Gravity works pretty well at explaining atmospheres, but not perfectly which is why we have to factor in things like planetary magnetic fields, and solar wind into planetary atmosphere models.
But within the next few years you will. Because it is right! Whether accepted science wants to believe it or not. They have 'scienced' themselves into a corner literally. And they wont be able to get out of it, without realising that everything we think we know is backwards.
I give it a year tops.
Maybe so, but this is one reason I suggested sending up a balloon with an instrument package to measure pressure. Other people have done it, and just about anybody in a first world country could do it if they wanted to.
originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: Arbitrageur
No, I believe he literally thinks that space is filled with something akin to Earth STP atmosphere. Because if it were a vacuum, why doesn't Earth's atmosphere just end up sucked into it?
Science is not just for scientists. Anybody can do simple science like this.
On Memorial Day weekend of 2015 we launched a high altitude balloon over South Florida. The payload included two GoPro cameras, a Canon Powershot camera, and a barrage of sensors (temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, GPS) running on two Arduino Mega microcontrollers ...
originally posted by: joelr
originally posted by: greenreflections
coz 'position' will be your detector position in sensor array ( that got hit first). How do you derive 'momentun' from it? In other words, how momentum is measured? Is it not from same sensor that took 'position'?
Spectroscopy is used to measure momentum. As far as taking a momentum measurement from a detector, it's really only being inferred after the fact so it's not actually a real time measurement.
But you can use a Fourier transform to go from a position function to a wavelength function which is a momentum, the wave function evolving.
So according to Kastner, quantum Darwinism is fatally circular and is contradicted by observation.
However, the idea that preferred pointer states naturally “emerge” from
the quantum level has been refuted in the published literature, in
particular in a paper (1) showing that “classical” pointer states do not
emerge unless a key aspect of classicality has been tacitly assumed from
the beginning. In other words, the “quantum Darwinism” program is
fatally circular.
The assumption generating the circularity usually takes the form of a
predesignated system that is considered separable from its environment..