Chilean Government Agency Releases UFO Images

a reply to: gortex

Chile’s CEFAA (Committee for the Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena), which is essentially a department underneath Chile’s version of the U.S. FAA.

3% of all the cases they've reviewed have been found to be unexplainable. They're not pro-alien, Just a government agency doing their job. Whether its a fake sighting or a three percenter they get paid the same.

These guys are not snake oil salesmen that profit off of bad astronomy. (Like many many people that pervert the phenomenon)
-Another reason why I think this is important.

Leslie Kean, and the CEFAA, have lost all credibility after the entire "UFO over El Bosque Air Base in Santiago (2010)" incident where they claimed a bunch of bugs were UFOs, then someone came along and proved it was bugs with their own video.

The CEFAA did the same thing for that case too. Claimed they had a bunch of experts conclude it was a craft, make ridiculous calculations of the speed it was traveling, and even applied a bunch of photoshop filters to the images and claimed they did infrared analysis on images from a regular camera. They made every claim in the book. They even claimed the objects were filmed from multiple angles, even though not one single video matched with each other. They were all different bugs on different cameras.

Then... someone comes along and finds the bugs flying a few feet off the ground in their videos. And they stop all investigation and go into hiding, and never mention it again.

As far as anything being faked, it is highly probable that it could be faked. There is enough trickery played out in front of our eyes as there is trickery undertaken in the safety of an editing room.

I am inclined to call this as fake, coming for the Chilean Government, well, get over it, Brazil are better at penalties!!

a reply to: WeAre0ne

Just did a search (Leslie Kean, CEFAA hoax) got nothing,

Though I do not doubt that mistakes can be made, apparently this guy is no antagonist as you put forth..

a reply to: canucks555

blog.ufo-blog.com...
thehoaxkiller.com...

a reply to: WeAre0ne

I'm not saying that mistakes don't happen. (as I stated in my last post) I'm also not saying that every sighting proposed is in fact an alien ship.

Thanks for the link, we'll learn more about the facts as time goes on I'd imagine.

a reply to: canucks555

That's kinda the point. There hasn't been much of an "investigation". Because it's a year old, and because someone has looked at the picture before does not equal an investigation.

You listed all of the things Rob said that irritated you but, failed to provide a single counterpoint. You did engage in a personal attack.

Why do you feel personally connected to these pictures? If people don't believe they are ET, why do you care? What do you have to loose if people decide Rob has sound reasoning? Clearly you feel he is a threat to your beliefs, otherwise you wouldn't engage in posts directed to his person. Why?

The pictures are interesting, but they aren't evidence of anything. The EXIF data and the information it provides is important to the claims and veracity of the pictures themselves. Why wasn't is done before? If it was, why wasn't the information shared? In a world full of hoaxes, EXIF data is always relevant. Rejecting this information is a huge bias indicator.

a reply to: canucks555

There was more than "just mistakes" taking place. They were making outrageous and false claims without providing evidence.

They were claiming to have done infrared analysis on videos from cameras that don't even capture infrared light. They just applied photoshop gradients and filters, and called it an infrared analysis. They are doing the same thing on this case.

They also claimed to calculate the speed of the object, and claimed to triangulate the position of the object, but none of the videos were of the same object at the same time.

It was as if they were pushing an out-of-this-world agenda with arguments from authority. Claiming scientists and experts all agree, but never providing the analysis from these so called experts. When one guy with only a couple days time found proof it was a bug in one of the videos, its almost as if they didn't study the videos at all, they just claimed they did.

There is something fishy going on. Maybe Leslie Kean is selling another book. Or the CEFAA need more funding, and need to do something to justify their existence.

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Rob48

Oh right I forgot how eloquent your reasoning is.

Gee, kind of you to say so.

so why only take four photos, all over a period of 180 seconds?
-why not exactly? And why are you so sure only that many were taken?

Well, I'm not. But the "researchers" say they only studied two! I found two more in a 10-minute search on the internet, which they apparently missed. So much for experts, huh?

Why haven't the "researchers" pinned down where the photos were taken from, or even whether they were inside or outdoors?
They were taken at a mine. Did you not read the articles? (??)

Yes, of course. Mines are big places! Which building? Or was it outside? Did you not read my post where I identified the mountain in the background and worked out which direction the photos were taken? Again, more than the "experts" did! All they did was say "according to the witness the photos were taken outside". They don't test that at all.

If that is a year's research then I am a Chilean mine inspector?

You are neither a miner nor a decent debunker.
Honestly, if anyone is reaching for straws here it is you/

At this point in the investigation your points really have no bearing on the sighting.
Like I said, leave it to the experts, everything else is opinion.


cheers

Like I said: what experts? Marcelo Moya, the ufologist? Patricio Diaz, the one who was fooled by insects?

Or Luis Sanchez? Would that be the same "Luis Sanchez Perry" who, along with CEFAA, claimed that a 400km wide UFO was photographed by a satellite? I can't be 100% sure, but I rather think it is.

CEFAA is not a serious group, as that link above ought to demonstrate. 400km wide UFOs? Really? ATS knows a lot more than CEFAA: that was the moon!

So forgive me if I am sceptical of a group who think insects are UFOs, and the moon is a 400km wide UFO.

Edit: does this bit sound familiar?

"The lines that can be seen in front of the UFO belong to electromagnetic interference that came from the UFO," Sanchez explained.

Seems to love his "lines", doesn't he?


My question to you: why do you trust these so-called experts who are actually nothing but local ufologists offering their dubious services in "image analysis" to show that everything from bugs to the moon are UFOs?

"Experts" are more than likely to be full of crap than not. "Experts" that spent their lives banking on global warming, are not going to point out evidence that their whole career has been a sham. "Experts" that spend their lives in psychology/psychiatry are not going to admit that their "science" is actually crap, and they just keep making stuff up. Not many people are going to be willing to admit that they have been wrong for most of their life, and that their whole career has been a fraud swindling people out of their money, especially before retirement.

Take "expert" opinion with a grain of salt, whether yay or nay sayers, do the best you can to research and come up with your own conclusions. Not every "expert" will be as honest as say me. I find faster and more efficient ways of doing things, I charge less accordingly. There are others in my field that still charge prices as if everything needs to be done by hand.

I have a problem with ripping people off, many others do not have a problem with that. That goes for every field of work on the planet. Due dilligence. This is coming from a true believer, I saw a giant triangle with my own eyes above the taconic parkway in NY.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

Alright fair enough. So because the internet/media is so chalked full of ufo-bunk, (I agree) That means no one can be trusted. -Even if an actual event were to occur with the phenomenon... No one can be trusted.

LESLIE KEAN is an independent investigative journalist with a background in freelance writing and radio broadcasting. She has contributed articles to dozens of publications here and abroad including the Boston Globe, Philadelphia Inquirer, Atlanta-Journal Constitution, Providence Journal, International Herald Tribune, Globe and Mail, Sydney Morning Herald, Bangkok Post, The Nation, and The Journal for Scientific Exploration. Her stories have been syndicated through Knight Ridder/Tribune, Scripps-Howard, New York Times wire service, Pacific News Service, and the National Publishers Association.

Now, I hadn't heard anything about her until this thread was created. In my eyes the inserted resume above is pretty damn impressive.

She seems to cover quite a few sightings, actually she inundates her life with them.
Because you can name like, a few out of the hundreds/thousands she's investigated and call it BS that means that she cannot be trusted>? Ever?
I hope your Boss doesn't follow that philosophy.
I'd imagine that being a UFO investigator would be very tough in this diluted environment. (all the bunk, cgi, etc)

From what I've read so far (and yes you can find her mistakes...on like the sixth page of the Google search)

From what I've read I think her involvement in this case gives it even more credibility.

-She also has a thread here on ATS as well:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
-which imo is frickin awesome. from 2011 had to bump it

Picture #3. Pyramid or evenly shaped mountain?

originally posted by: canucks555
Because you can name like, a few out of the hundreds/thousands she's investigated and call it BS that means that she cannot be trusted>? Ever?

No.

A trustworthy investigator could investigate hundreds of UFO cases that turn out to be BS, and still remain trustworthy.

It is all about how the investigators handle themselves when the cases they are investigating turn out to be BS. That is what matters.

Leslie Kean has proven to many she is not trustworthy by how she handled herself during certain cases she was investigating. When solid evidence was provided to her, she completely ignored it, and instead appealed to authority (CEFAA and various unknown scientists). She dismissed any and all independent research, and labeled everyone who didn't agree with her and her authorities "debunkers" and "unqualified" even though she didn't know the background of said independent researchers. She had an obvious bias, and was not neutral. She was somewhat hostile.

She sells books about UFOs, and when people prove those UFOs are bunk, she dismisses them, because it messes with her bottom line. A trustworthy investigator doesn't do that. A trustworthy investigator looks at every aspect of a case, even if it doesn't support their personal beliefs.

Solid evidence like "There were only a few pictures taken in the span an hour"

That's a stretch as far as debunking goes.

originally posted by: canucks555
Solid evidence like "There were only a few pictures taken in the span an hour"

That's a stretch as far as debunking goes.

I am not talking about this case, yet. I was talking about previous cases. She has already lost credibility.

She probably learned her lesson from her last cases, and will more than likely dodge questions, and or withhold information to keep this case a mystery. In order to protect herself and her latest book sales.

originally posted by: gortex
The article says thay received the pictures in February which by my reckoning is 6 months , as for the experts who examined the picture who are they ?

Couple of guys who have a rudimentary knowledge of applying a few photoshop filters to an image. I guess that makes them "experts."

And for all you guys who are convinced that this is "the real deal," just what the hell are you talking about? Aliens? What would lead you to believe that any image can be anything more (or less) than "unexplained?" And just for the record "unexplained" in no way means "alien."

a reply to: Blue Shift


Couple of guys who have a rudimentary knowledge of applying a few photoshop filters to an image. I guess that makes them "experts."

Hey you cannot prove that with this case.

And just for the record "unexplained" in no way means "alien."

I agree. In fact I go out of my way to say phenomenon. in this thread.

If it isn't hoaxed then I'd call it an energy anomaly, possibly some kind of weird release of energy caused by friction or plates pressing together. Geological in nature, plasma ball kind of thing, though the witnesses describes it moving in an intelligent manner...which is kinda creepy..

originally posted by: awakehuman

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Cloro

The more I look at this picture the more I'm convinced it is a light bulb and housing.

So here your are trying to debunk CEFAA claim by calling UFO a housing light bulb ?

Did you knew that CEFAA (Committee for the Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena), is located within the Ministerial Department of Civil Aeronautics (DGAC), the equivalent of our FAA, under the jurisdiction of the Chilean Air Force. ?

And suggesting Chilean government agency lying ?

I am certainly suggesting that CEFAA is not a credible source, regardless of its connection to the government. This has been demonstrated time and again.

For example:


A CEFAA official went on national TV and described this as a 400km wide UFO.

The GOES-8 video images were discussed during the broadcast by two ufologists, Dr. Mario Dussuel of Comite de Estudios de Fenomenos Aereos Anomalos (CEFAA) and Rodrigo Cuadra of Equipe Superior de Investigacion Ovniologica (ESIO). CEFAA is Chile's official national study group, composed of government agencies, local ufologists and the Fuerza Aerea de Chile, FACH (the Chilean Air Force).

It is actually the moon, which is captured by the GOES satellite on a regular basis. A recoloured version of an image like these:




The CEFAA "experts" had no idea. ATS debunked it very quickly indeed.

So yes, this message board knows a lot more than CEFAA, which seems to be a ragtag band of ufologists who have somehow managed to get an "in" with the authorities.

originally posted by: canucks555
I'm adamant that this is an exceptional find.
Why?
Because it's been reviewed and scrutinized by experts for over a year.

-Not brushed aside within minutes by arm-chair wannabes.

Sorry, it's true. You guys are probably pretty smart and have spent a few days looking at this, they, with their equipment and technology have spent more than a year.

-Look, many of you have good points as to why you don't think there's anything of interest here, but at the end of the day (God bless ye) You're really not credible enough to be taken seriously.

Have fun tho, that's what ats is all about
I have no reason to believe that this is anything but exceptional.

Some of us arm-chair wannabes have been taking, DEVELOPING (yes when we all used film) and editing images for 10-20 or 30 + years in my case, many members are pro,semi pro or long time hobby photographers we have seen it done it and PRINTED the t-shirt.

a reply to: canucks555

I'm more inclined to trust the average Joe over the government, MSM, bought and paid for science, if the latter cannot even tell us the truth and continue to lie to us about things like Roswell, Kennedy, 911..........how many decades did it take for them to admit smoking was harmful?

As for those saying these images are some kind of artifact.......so the guys saw some lens artifact in the sky and decided to take a picture of it??? Four technicians saw the lens artifact in the guys camera on his viewscreen??? Give your head a shake and try again.