Contrails *do* influence the weather, here is proof by NASA

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

a reply to: robbo961

So I repeat: show me a photo of these chemtrails. Show me what is different about them than the contrails I photographed a couple of days ago. Or how they are different from the ones in the weather book I posted just up thread?

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: robbo961

So I repeat: show me a photo of these chemtrails. Show me what is different about them than the contrails I photographed a couple of days ago.

What's the point? surely you know what they look like? and if I were to show you one you would simply dismiss it as something which can be explained by 'contrail science' Anyway, I'm not here to disprove your theories, I am here to disprove my own (to myself that is) but I still havent seen anything on here which disproves the likelyhood that geo engineering hasn't already rolled out

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

Cirrus clouds are natural clouds. If you're serious you should understand their significance to this issue.

The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets.

Source

Cirrus clouds provide you with evidence you can see for yourself. Once you understand how they form naturally you should be able to realize what's happening when you see a persistent contrail.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

Cirrus clouds are natural clouds. If you're serious you should understand their significance to this issue.

The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets.

ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu...(Gh)/guides/mtr/cld/cldtyp/hgh/crs.rxml

Cirrus clouds provide you with evidence you can see for yourself. Once you understand how they form naturally you should be able to realize what's happening when you see a persistent contrail.

Cirrus clouds do not block the sun... so forgive me if I pay them no attention

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

Cirrus clouds are natural clouds. If you're serious you should understand their significance to this issue.

The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets.

ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu...(Gh)/guides/mtr/cld/cldtyp/hgh/crs.rxml

Cirrus clouds provide you with evidence you can see for yourself. Once you understand how they form naturally you should be able to realize what's happening when you see a persistent contrail.

Cirrus clouds do not block the sun... so forgive me if I pay them no attention

Really?

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

Cirrus clouds are natural clouds. If you're serious you should understand their significance to this issue.

The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets.

ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu...(Gh)/guides/mtr/cld/cldtyp/hgh/crs.rxml

Cirrus clouds provide you with evidence you can see for yourself. Once you understand how they form naturally you should be able to realize what's happening when you see a persistent contrail.

Cirrus clouds do not block the sun... so forgive me if I pay them no attention

I believe you're missing the point. You just said

What's the point? surely you know what they look like? and if I were to show you one you would simply dismiss it as something which can be explained by 'contrail science' Anyway, I'm not here to disprove your theories, I am here to disprove my own (to myself that is) but I still havent seen anything on here which disproves the likelyhood that geo engineering hasn't already rolled out

Contrail formation is analogous to cirrus formation. Once you understand that and realize that the trails you see can not be a cloud of sprayed chemicals we can move on to ideas about what else *might* be in them.

a reply to: robbo961

Cirrus clouds do not block the sun... so forgive me if I pay them no attention

Maybe you should...

Cirrus clouds can be thick enough to block the sun or thin enough that blue sky shows through.

www.weatherwise.org...

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: robbo961

I have spent half a day watching cirrus clouds. They behave differently. They thin out and dissipate naturally without blocking the sun.

Do you know how they form?

No, I don't know where they come from or how they appear different than natural clouds but I do know the behave differently than contrails.

Cirrus clouds are natural clouds. If you're serious you should understand their significance to this issue.

The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets.

ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu...(Gh)/guides/mtr/cld/cldtyp/hgh/crs.rxml

Cirrus clouds provide you with evidence you can see for yourself. Once you understand how they form naturally you should be able to realize what's happening when you see a persistent contrail.

Cirrus clouds do not block the sun... so forgive me if I pay them no attention

Really?

They are cirrus clouds? the top picture looks like expanding trails to me (guess it's a matter of perspective) I'll agree that looking at some cirrus clouds online, they can block the sun. But to be honest I don't see them very often, apart from noticing them a couple of weeks ago due to observing them while out with my bike for most of the day. They were'nt very big and they didn't block out the sun.

Contrail nozzle. What is the purpose of this?
www.libertyforlife.com...

Greyed out (blocked sun after full dispersion) No trails or obvious causes for blocking out the sun other than blanketed particulates, something I see almost daily. Surely nature does not mock this way?
www.poppypalin.org...

Do I have to show these pictures? surely evidence that something other than 'ice particles' is being dispersed from aircraft?
If not, then why equip these planes with the facilities to do it? (no military testing theories pleeeeese) This is being done on a large scale.

www.znakovi-vremena.net...

Ok, it's not all scientific evidence but you have to admit, it's very compelling. When presented with this (circumstantial evidence) it becomes very difficult to ignore. Do you think I want to live in fear? I don't have a choice until I can prove (to myself) that my fears are unfounded. Considering what else is going on in the world (secretive governments activities etc)
it takes no great leap in the imagination to accept geo engineering as another of their secret pursuits. Nefarious? maybe. Unethical experimentation? plausable. All a conspiracy 'theory' and therefore non worth talking about? Absolutely not

a reply to: robbo961

Contrail nozzle. What is the purpose of this?
www.libertyforlife.com...

Good question. Why not this?

The Claim: This is a covert spraying mechanism, it’s designed to be difficult to see and thus identify the aircraft from a “normal” aircraft.

The Reality: This is actually a fuel dump port, and if you’re never seen one in operation during a flight, then that’s a good thing. Not all commercial aircraft have these, but they are commonly found on aircraft which are intended for long duration flights, such as trans-continental passenger service.

depletedcranium.com...

If you don't believe that, click me.

ETA:

Greyed out (blocked sun after full dispersion) No trails or obvious causes for blocking out the sun other than blanketed particulates, something I see almost daily. Surely nature does not mock this way?
www.poppypalin.org...

*Caution: Ice Fairies at Work*

Ice halo displays range from the familiar circle around the sun or moon to rare and prized events when the whole sky is webbed by intricate arcs.

Tiny ice crystals in the atmosphere create halos by refracting and reflecting light.

www.atoptics.co.uk...

a reply to: robbo961

Do I have to show these pictures? surely evidence that something other than 'ice particles' is being dispersed from aircraft?
If not, then why equip these planes with the facilities to do it? (no military testing theories pleeeeese) This is being done on a large scale.

Well your first video is a hoax and here is the original from the person who filmed it.



And here is what he says about it...

Published on Mar 12, 2011
This is the original unadulterated video that started all the fuss. It is completely authentic and no camera tricks were used. It is simply a couple of KC-10's in formation and the audio you hear is just us poking fun at all the "chemtrail" conspiratorists. I knew when I shot the video that this would be catnip for all the conspiratorists out there. Yeah, the contrails have an odd way of "starting" and "stopping" but that is easily explained with physics. It's no different than the lenticular clouds that form over a mountain or the fog that flows from an open freezer. So, stop being so gullible, kids. There are truely bad things in the world but this isn't one of them!

www.youtube.com...

Here this explains all the pics of ballast tanks that you think are for something nefarious.

www.metabunk.org...

I see your trying to pull out all the chemtrail tricks, but as this is not a new subject here it has all been thoroughly discussed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You should get the point, but if not just search interior of chemtrail plane and you can find more.

Ok, it's not all scientific evidence but you have to admit, it's very compelling. When presented with this (circumstantial evidence) it becomes very difficult to ignore.

It isn't even circumstantial evidence as it is all a hoax and everything that you posted can be and has been explained. So it really isn't hard to ignore.

I don't have a choice until I can prove (to myself) that my fears are unfounded.

And yet when you are shown evidence that shows your fears are unfounded you totally dismiss the evidence, so what exactly are you looking for because obviously it isn't the truth?

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I was trying to remember that last pure blue sky I have seen. You know that super deep and vibrant blue? It must have been years. Every day there is a haze below the clouds. Every day.

Any blue in particular?

Err.. he said "super deep vibrant blue", you know... that deep sky kind of blue untainted by clouds and 'contrails'

What, like this?

Taken in London this last week, on a day that the atmospheric soundings stated would not support contrail formation. Funny that.

In another thread I am planning to show that it is possible with reasonable accuracy to predict when trails will and will not be visible.

Very nice... don't see many of them these days do you? What? every day is like that where you are? you must live a very happy existence

No, every day is not like that. Some days are like this:

Thing is, there's a simple reason for that.

That is the whole point of my thread:
EXPERIMENT: Can I forecast "chemtrails"?

Ha ha... ok, sorry. I got the wrong end of there. Good for you, someone actually doing something instead of just talking about it

The question is, will the chemtrail believers take any notice? Will you?

Wow, you sure convinced me there. What you trying to do? win the argument with one point? sorry mate, I'm not so easily brainwashed

LOL. You evidently ARE extremely easily brainwashed because you believe that hokum about persistent and spreading trails having to be chemtrails because contrails don't do that.

eta. I also see you've swallowed like a good 'un tankerenemy's doctored version of the KC-10 video, claims that fuel dumping outlets are spray nozzles and that ballast test tanks are chemtrail interiors.

If you're not just being gullible and easily brainwashed by the hoaxers that are feeding you this garbage, why is all this ''evidence'' not part of a huge world-wide legal battle? Those protesting and producing videos and websites had had 15 years now to put their case together. How come its only clung to by a small number of internet conspiracy worshippers? Photographs that clear MUST be damning and convincing evidence that a tribunal would take seriously, IF they show what you've been told they show. just think if genuine pictures of UFO's turned up that were as clear as that!

Or someones telling lies and you've fallen for it.

originally posted by: MagicWand67
a reply to: Rob48


I was wondering, where would a person go to find the most up-to-date reports based on transparency in SRM research?

Do you know what organization or entity is responsible for disseminating information about SRM research to the public?

I'm still waiting for a response to this question. Does anyone know the answer?

All the skeptics keep saying that they are positive nothing is being done right now and that Geoengineering research will be transparent.

So where can the public find the documents and reports? What agency, group or company provides this info to the public?

a reply to: MagicWand67

All the skeptics keep saying that they are positive nothing is being done right now and that Geoengineering research will be transparent.

Source?

I know that is a misrepresentation of my position and of other members here.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

I know that is a misrepresentation of my position and of other members here.

I will second that comment.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

a reply to: tsurfer2000h


Excellent, then you both admit that you don't know if someone is doing real world geoengineering tests.

There's no way to know if some planes are injecting sulfuric acid into their exhaust streams or not.

I want to make sure we separate facts from opinions.

a reply to: MagicWand67

Excellent, then you both admit that you don't know if someone is doing real world geoengineering tests.

Nor do I know they are. If it's your assertion that they are then the onus is on you.

There's no way to know if some planes are injecting sulfuric acid into their exhaust streams or not.

Then what's your point? Make sure you don't claim they are.

I know that you know better than this. If someone were accused of being a spy for a foreign government, should they have to prove they are not? Of course not.... Prove. They. Are.

We do know that trails from aircraft are ice. They can't be a 'cloud of chemicals'.

originally posted by: MagicWand67

Excellent, then you both admit that you don't know if someone is doing real world geoengineering tests.

There's no way to know if some planes are injecting sulfuric acid into their exhaust streams or not.

I want to make sure we separate facts from opinions.

We do know that the hot wet exhaust coming from a jet engine can cause a freezing of ice crystals which can form visible trails. We also know that these trails can grow and persist at certain temperature and relative humidity levels...

...so we know that science tells us that the trails many people call CHEMtrails could actually be CONtrails.

Now, please show me how these trails ( the ones that look like persistent contrails) could be sprays of chemicals. Once you show me that chemical sprays could actually exhibit the same characteristics of a persistent contrail, then I will begin to believe that these trails could be chemtrails.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

They can't be a 'cloud of chemicals'.

Here you go again. Yes they can.

I already showed you 2 examples of how it can be done. So using words like "can't" is incorrect.

The Aurora report describes sulfuric acid injection in the exhaust stream of a jet.

The modification of cirrus clouds paper describes the chemicals being injected into the exhaust stream.

My point isn't to prove that it's being done. My point is that it could be and neither you or I would know.

I want to show that it is a real method proposed in more than one paper.

And I've already shown that if they are testing it, they aren't going to tell us.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I agree that contrails are contrails. The issue is that some geoengineering techniques describe using jet exhaust as a means of dispersal.


The 2 examples, of geoengineering techniques, I provided describe the method of adding chemicals to the hot exhaust gas of a jet engine to vaporize the material.

If normal jet exhaust will make a contrail. Then it is safe to assume that extra chemicals vaporized in the exhaust will also make a contrail.

The point is that some planes might be testing and we wouldn't know the difference.

And there's no laws which prevent it from being done on small scale.