Is there a conspiracy to downplay the threat of radical Islam?

a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

frankly I am sick of trying to explain to Ignorant people who refuse to pick up the book or research for them self's.

Actually, you just did a fine job of explaining it. Well done, sir, well done.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

frankly I am sick of trying to explain to Ignorant people who refuse to pick up the book or research for them self's.

Actually, you just did a fine job of explaining it. Well done, sir, well done.

Thank you seagull that means allot to me truly.

a reply to: freedom7

Hey Guys, been quite some time since I've been on here. Looking forward to hearing back from you all. This question has been on my mind a lot lately. Does it seem like the world has become dare I say "too politically correct, and far to liberal when it comes to the threat of radical Islam swarming through the world right now.

In a word YES.

When they see the right wingers clinging to their guns and religion as MORE of a threat in this country.

Than they do groups in the ME who ARE FAR WORSE.

Some very interesting points all around. with the emergence of ISIS I would imagine this topic will be active with participants for a while, because let's face it regardless of our race, religion, occupation etc... Watching videos of what these monsters are doing to others is deeply concerning, horrifying and unsettling. This is a topic that needs to be discussed without fear.
There are some points some of you have made about your belief that I am mis interpreting the Koran. I can understand that religion in itself is a tricky topic, you can have hundreds, sometimes thousands of different branches of denominations that all share a similar belief in God, but interpret the words in their holy books very differently.
I have some friends who are muslim, who don't strike me as violent, one of my employers who really helped me out in my personal life, and inspired me, encouraged me was Muslim. He was a good family man, worked hard and hated to see all the atrocities going on in the world. I agree with you guys that very brutal terrorists seem to be a minority in the grand scheme of Islam.
It was my close friend who told me literally, that it is written in the Koran that they believe Jesus will indeed come back but that he will fight for the Muslims, Allah will rid the planet of all religions except Islam, and people will be forced to convert to Islam or be killed.. He told me this knowing I am not Muslim, and didn't even hesitate.. - its scary stuff.
Than I came across this in the Koran online



Book 37, Number 4310:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.


- KrazySh0t good to hear back from you again. You asked what would we do given the realization that radical islam is a threat? I understand your angle, and I agree with you that there isn't a ton we can do. I believe everyone who attempts to live at peace with one another, should be protected under the constitution, they are entitled to the same freedoms as us, and we are to treat them by the golden rule standard that Jesus ushered in.

But....

Here is the thing, do we sit back and be pacifists as the culture changes, and Islamist extremists attempt GLOBAL tyranny? You say, you're not in the Middle East, and you you don't have to worry about the violence escalating like it does over there- so you are indifferent to here. And I may be wrong when I say this ( I don't know the future) but I see the signs, what's left of the West is slowly getting taken over. There are some posters on here, who hinted at the fact that the signs are everywhere, and there seems to be an attempt to destroy family values, our cultural identity, christian morals ( I understand christians are sometimes just as intolerant), but nobody can deny the basic message of Christ, more importantly his life, actions and what he stood for and died for. It was ALL about love, mission, growing in faith, healing, restoring, growing etc.. I could go on forever..

Now we can get in trouble for saying "Merry Christmas" to a Muslim. This is an attack on everything sacred, and it's been guised cleverly under the pretense that "It's intolerant" to believe what you believe if it offends others. But there's a double standard, and that rule doesn't apply the other way around.


I know there can be extremists in every religion, and there are. But it's not just my opinion, the facts are there for everyone to research and the patterns are undeniable. You just don't see, Buddhists, Christians, Jews ( Non zionists) etc... going into countries and slaughtering people ( i;m talking current day, not Crusade, inquistion periods in time). You just don't hear of a congregation in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, go in and bomb mosques, but churches are bombed routinely there.

Some say there is no connection to religion here, it's all about power and control. And you have cited how many young Muslims are funded by some elites in power in the west etc.. with extreme power, and have cited that as proof it's not religion. I feel like there's a correlation between the commands in the Koran and the violence we see orchestrated in the name of " Islam"..


I'm hoping somebody can convince me this is not true, please cite why you believe the Koran has been mis interpreted, and what it's true intentions are

a reply to: freedom7

I was told Iraq had WMDs and intended to use them against the USA. I was told by U.S. government officials that Saddam Hussein had some involvement with the men allegedly responsible for 9/11.

en.wikipedia.org...

Then guess what happened?

The facts are the Muslims are vilified by the west and slaughtered in huge numbers in these western frame-up jobs and subsequent wars. Its proven in the case of Iraq.

I also happen to be a 9/11 conspiracy theorist (this is a conspiracy theory website after all), and also believe Muslims to be framed for the attack.

The threat of Islam is not only exaggerated by western governments and their media its used to debase Muslims as animals to make it more acceptable to invade their countries and slaughter them.

a reply to: freedom7


Well your your quoting Hadith not the Quran .

Hadith (Arabic: حديث‎, /ˈhædɪθ/[1] or /hɑːˈdiːθ/[2]) in religious use is often translated as 'tradition', meaning a report of the teachings, deeds and sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The hadith literature was compiled from oral reports that were present in society around the time of their compilation, well after the death of Muhammad. Bukhari's collection which is considered by many traditional religious scholars as the most 'reliable'

With that said their are weak hadith and stong hadith.

Example: during the time of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and after, people loved him so much that they made up hadith's.
Their is a hadith that says Muhammad would use his thumb to move the position of the moon......this is obviously not true and is a weak hadith.

When reading hadith its important to only take hadith from bukhari & Muslim these are the most accurate . anything els is very questionable and should be subjected to review by a properly educated scholar.

Hadith is very important because one can't fully comprehend the Quran without it. Hadith give a deeper understanding of ayat (verses ) in the Quran.

Now addressing your views on Muslims being the only religion who are commiting terrible acts against other religions or people.

Your wrong , here is just one example ..of a "peaceful religion commitng terrible acts against Muslims"



en.m.wikipedia.org...





en.m.wikipedia.org...

Its just we don't hear about these things in the newes , but we do hear about it in the Muslim communitys

Make sure you click on the "modern" tab on wiki

a reply to: Frith

When you have accused hijackers turning up alive when they should be dead, Israelis dressed as Arabs dancing and filming the towers burn, Osama Bin Laden hiding in imaginery mountains with state of the art bunkers built inside, One can only think - US Government done this or the Mossad.

After all the BS we have had to endure over the last decade, I don't see it any other way.

If "actions speak louder then words".

I would prefer to to have to worry about "peace loving muslims" thinking of beheading me on my way to market.

If ISIS/ISIL is butchering it's own people, as they are, in several videos, then can you imagine how and what they would do in any of our western countries? (For those who have the stomach, go check out a couple vids on Liveleak, for those of you who can't, I still urge you to go view the reality that is going on.. This is what you are saying should be left to fester, or even welcome into your own country? )

Really, you have to have your head in a special dark place to think that it's going to be a good thing to let them have any sort of control, or rights. Perhaps, those of you who think these animales are civilised, could go approach them with open arms, and show us all just how peaceful they are?

Sorry, if it quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.. It's a duck..

Duck season, anyone? Yes, we're too soft, and we cannot afford to be soft with those who know no bounds of depravity, no matter where it occures. The only thing that should be given to rabid animales is a swift death.

a reply to: Cygnis

Stop Fear mongering you [snip]


Do you really think the west would let "Islam" or the ISIS take over anything?

get real dude!

I am an American!! And Muslim! I don't nor have I ever read anything about my religion telling me to go cut the heads of people or try to take over the world with Islam..

[snip] go enlighten your self about Islam...

Add up all the muslims nations.It would be in the 100s of millions of radical muslims.Or at least that many supporting muslims who mass murder.

The people I know (who practice the Muslim faith) are more tolerant and open than those I know who are Baptists.

And I'm not afraid of Baptists taking over.

To everyone, I would only be concerned if a political ideology embraced a religion in order to further the political/societal goals of that ideology.

And that goes for Christians (as I am one) as well.

We need diversity. We need a cultural spectrum that embraces all aspects of a culture. Freedom carries with it, a risk. A risk that there might be said, something that you don't agree with. A risk that laws might be passed that you don't agree with. But our flawed system of government does have within it, the mechanism to enact change.

Just as long as we remain free. Once we lose that freedom, then all bets are off.

so the direction this is going to take is forcing everyone to submit to one very watered down and state-edited version of our holy books and religions, such as the bible, koran, talmud, like they are doing in china today. let's look at the bigger picture.

the govs deliberately work up groups within their home cultures, against each other. in europe it's muslims vs non muslims. it's not just christians in europe who are getting upset at fundametalism on all sides. however, the media there is hyping up the evils of fundamentalism of their own home grown religions, while defending islam.

normally this would sound like a very nice thing for them to do - to defend people from stereotyping and bigotry, but that's not what the media are doing. at the same time they defend islam, they attack the rest of the country with some of the most bigoted views ever. and what, might you ask, are they doing that for? answer: cause they want to spur their own citizens into waging war against islam in their own countries. then they will blame it on the people they incited in the first place, who they will then identify as muslims, christians and jews.

as i said the other day, if you are from an abrahamic faith, get out of europe pronto. you are all marked for extinction.

case in point. here's an european atheist's view (he also hates christianity. one thing's for sure, islam's increased presence in europe is actually radicalizing people of every walk of life there. and a radical atheist is just as dangerous to one's longevity as a radical religionist. whats the quickest way to dechristianize europe? you guessed it).

does it not sound strikingly similar to what's happening in the usa? christians as a group, are blamed for the war on terror by non-christians in the media, even though the whole country was originally chomping at the bit to seek out osama's gang and even though people from every walk of life and religion/non-religion, were involved. and even though people of all walks of life, were up in arms when it went from just being about osama, to being about saddam and so on.

the big difference is, it isn't about islam in the usa. in the usa, it's about racial division, which is further complicated by religion or the lack thereof but which technically speaking, is primarily a racial divide. and you see the media doing the same thing that's happening in europe. they defend one side from bigotry by being completely bigoted in the opposite direction. since when does it solve bigotry of some, by being bigoted to all? both sides are doing this also.

what the flip are they planning?

well let's start by looking at the Zimmerman vs. Trayvon case. Zimmerman was called a white man, initially. Why would they do that? Yeah...Not that it's any better that it was a hispanic guy, since these kinds of race on race crimes are going on literally every hour of every day, 365 days a year. Remember, they've been working hard to get hispanics and blacks to form an united front against whites in their hoped for race war. So by saying he was white, they did the damage they needed to white and black race relations. It also signalled to some blacks that when a hispanic person does something they don't like, it's whitey up to his no good shenanigans again.

why are they doing that?

because all that matters is perception when people lose all moral compunction, when the court doesn't even bother to adjourn and folks just shoot each other in the street.

a reply to: freedom7

Oh, yeah. It's clearly planned. Any criticism of Islam is treated as "intolerant", no matter that they are intolerant of all others. As for funding? Yes, as well. From what I can gather, our government has overturned at least three governments as well.

a reply to: freedom7

What you need to understand is that no hadith can contradict the teachings in the Qu'ran.. If a hadith does, it has been fabricated. Not once does the Qu'ran mention that all Non-Muslims will be killed. It mentions unbelievers and this applies to any unbeliever from all 3 monotheistic religions. Even Godless Arabs or Muslims falls under that category.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: freedom7

What you need to understand is that no hadith can contradict the teachings in the Qu'ran.. If a hadith does, it has been fabricated. Not once does the Qu'ran mention that all Non-Muslims will be killed. It mentions unbelievers and this applies to any unbeliever from all 3 monotheistic religions. Even Godless Arabs or Muslims falls under that category.

does that mean if a christian isn't catholic that they are unbelievers?

originally posted by: undo


does that mean if a christian isn't catholic that they are unbelievers?

No, too me it doesn't matter what label you fall under. When it comes down to it, you are all Christians. The same with Muslims, it doesn't matter whether you are Sunni or Shiite, you are both Muslims. An unbeliever is someone who cannot and won't uphold the teachings of religion (That is a denial of God) and it doesn't matter what religion you are from according to Islam.

This is only my opinion also...

All radicals within any religious groups that want to by law enforce there belief systems on everybody are a problem.
Jesus never wanted to forced anybody, he wanted people to willing do it on there own and he knew not everybody would. As related by a Muslim this is there problem, when the moderates speak out against the radicals they make themselves a target, this stops them from doing it. That does not happen within the Christian faiths, I can openly condemn the Catholic clergy on this board or in real life and my life won't be in danger. Try doing that as a moderate Muslim towards the radical leadership that you disagree with, you could be marked for death. Now that is a problem.

yeah the torah is a bit insain.

There are few prophets i like, And mohammed is not one of them.

I laugh at his knowledge of the jinn. He's several steps below solomon, Who had control over them.

They don't even know what Allah is/looks like but they sure have an idea of who is bad

buddy takes scripts from Alexandria ( The time the torah, the old testament, and the new were being developed)
Based on scrolls of authenticity as well as forging their own. *Alexandria was a place where anyone could write about anything they wanted and it would be recorded free from critism.

Muslims call the Torah the Tawrat and consider it the word of God given to Moses. However, Muslims also believe that this original revelation was corrupted (tahrif)(or simply altered by the passage of time and human fallibility) over time by Jewish scribes[34] and hence do not revere the present "Jewish version" Torah as much. 7:144–144 The Torah in the Qur'an is always mentioned with respect in Islam. The Muslims' belief in the Torah, as well as the prophethood of Moses, is one of the fundamental tenets of Islam.

Christian scholars usually refer to the first five books of the Hebrew Bible as the Pentateuch, a term first used in the Hellenistic Judaism of Alexandria,[11] meaning five books, or as the Law, or Law of Moses. Muslims refer to the Torah as Tawrat (توراة, "Law"), an Arabic word for the revelations given to the Islamic prophet Musa (موسى, Moses in Arabic).

Its no secret anymore where these religions came from and how it all spawned into the chaotic mess it is now.
Everyone wants to be the messenger of god, I guess some take a more violence stance on it. Eitherway.
It's pretty rediculous.