Is there a conspiracy to downplay the threat of radical Islam?

a reply to: BO XIAN

So in other words, you want to quarantine them. Sounds like a plan. I'm sure that's worked out REAL well when it's been tried in the past. Let's see how that works out for you.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not so fast, hot shot.


AND I NOTED I DID NOT THINK THERE WAS A HUMAN ANSWER. i.e. GOD ALONE will solve this problem.

You DEMANDED an answer.

I offered the only remotely PLAUSIBLE one I could think of.

I did NOT say I liked it.

I did NOT say I thought it would work at all or well.

I did NOT say I was thrilled with it.

I was merely responding to your DEMAND for an answer from someone of my perspective.

sheesh.

Do you buy 'cheek' by the ton or by the container load?

a reply to: seagull

At "Christianity's" WORST

we never approached the ruthlessness nor the massive bloodletting of Islam.

Never.

a reply to: BO XIAN

I like to buy it in bulk supply. It's cheaper that way.

Well here is my solution to the "muslim problem". Do nothing. Stop worrying about them. Let us worry about our own country and own part of the world. Stick to the Constitution (it prohibits sharia law for one). The only thing that gives them power is fear from propaganda and talking about it. The odds of being killed or even maimed in a terrorist attack is so low, its ridiculous. Since I don't live in the Middle East, I don't fear violent muslims. Not my problem. Why is that so hard?

a reply to: BO XIAN

Crusades, anyone?

The Inquisition, anyone?

Various pogroms launched against other sects of Christianity, anyone?

Sorry, but Christianity has a bloody history, too.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

BTW, IIRC,

they mostly kept very much to themselves, their camels and horned toads for MANY centuries

UNTIL

The globalist oligarchy decided to make them wealthy with inflated oil prices.

. . . for some . . . nefarious traitorous reason.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: seagull

At "Christianity's" WORST

we never approached the ruthlessness nor the massive bloodletting of Islam.

Never.

Nope, Christianity has NEVER done ANYTHING as ruthless as the Muslims are doing today. Nope. Never. Can't think of ANY times Christians have been intolerant of other religions.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Putting words in my fingers is NOT HONORABLE, NOT ACCURATE, NOT CRICKET.

I did not say Christianity was NEVER INTOLERANT.

Twisting my words is more of your classic cheekiness.

Sheesh.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Krazysh0t

BTW, IIRC,

they mostly kept very much to themselves, their camels and horned toads for MANY centuries

UNTIL

The globalist oligarchy decided to make them wealthy with inflated oil prices.

. . . for some . . . nefarious traitorous reason.

Maybe because people like Henry Ford needed oil to power his new automobiles and with the rise in car ownership (as well as other things like plastic manufacturing), the rise in demand of oil came too. It's just historically, muslims are hard to deal with so the ptb couldn't just enslave and subjugate the indigenous people like they did in Africa with the slave trade and diamond trade.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Putting words in my fingers is NOT HONORABLE, NOT ACCURATE, NOT CRICKET.

I did not say Christianity was NEVER INTOLERANT.

Twisting my words is more of your classic cheekiness.

Sheesh.

Oh? Were these not your words?

At "Christianity's" WORST

we never approached the ruthlessness nor the massive bloodletting of Islam.

Never.

So you are saying that the crusades, the inquisition, the salem witch trials, and treating jewish people like second class citizens isn't the same and isn't as bad as what the Muslims are doing today? Because that is a pretty dumb statement to make.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

For one, there are convincing reports . . . don't have the links handy . . . that

IRAN has inserted AT LEAST 10,000 sleeper agents into the USA strictly assigned to killing all Christian pastors, evangelists, leaders . . . when the time comes.

Thousands of Muslim terrorists are streaming across our porous border monthly, if not weekly . . . a DELIBERATELY POROUS BORDER . . . evidently exactly for that purpose--to insure massive numbers of Islamic terrorists within our borders.

If you believe that the globalist oligarchy is NOT intent on destroying the USA

and is NOT intent on deliberately using Islam to help make that happen

(in order for the OVERT establishment of the global government on the world stage MUCH EASIER over the ashes of the USA)

then I have to question how awake you've been the last decade or so.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I gather that you . . . for some mystifying reason . . .

believe that a 1/10th oz pebble falling on your head

is EQUAL TO

a 500 lb rock falling on your head.

Evidently rational discourse with you is not possible.

[SNIP]


Yeah, I'd take Christianity's worst over Islam's routine . . . any century.

The numbers dead are far less.
The cruelty of the deaths in terms of the numbers cruelly killed was far less.

The mangling of Christianity's founding documents to justify such horrors was far rarer than the justification thousands of Imams use to justify Jihad.

etc. etc. etc.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Krazysh0t

For one, there are convincing reports . . . don't have the links handy . . . that

Naturally... *rolls eyes*

IRAN has inserted AT LEAST 10,000 sleeper agents into the USA strictly assigned to killing all Christian pastors, evangelists, leaders . . . when the time comes.

Ok let's humor this claim despite no source. 10,000 sleeper agents to kill ALL the Christian spiritual leaders? That is the most absurd thing I've ever read. 10,000 agents going on a crusade to kill all those preachers would be a drop of water in the ocean trying to take all those people out. As soon as they started, they'd be found out by the authorities and their holy war would end pretty quickly.

Thousands of Muslim terrorists are streaming across our porous border monthly, if not weekly . . . a DELIBERATELY POROUS BORDER . . . evidently exactly for that purpose--to insure massive numbers of Islamic terrorists within our borders.

Thousands huh? Got a source for that?

If you believe that the globalist oligarchy is NOT intent on destroying the USA

and is NOT intent on deliberately using Islam to help make that happen

(in order for the OVERT establishment of the global government on the world stage MUCH EASIER over the ashes of the USA)

then I have to question how awake you've been the last decade or so.

Sorry, I don't believe hyped up fearmongering and propaganda. I mean you do realize that it would be quite easy to take America down right? We wouldn't need all these stupid subversive tactics to do it. Considering the influence, power, and wealth that the global elite have, this plan would be incredibly easy to pull off. Arm ONE terrorist with an EMP and detonate it over NYC or WDC. Done. America will spiral into chaos shortly afterwards.

That's why I find it so funny talking to people like you. You come up with these needlessly complicated plans to carry out something that could be planned and carried out in the matter of a year tops, but instead gets carried over for decades. All the while, you keep saying, "It's coming any day now!"

I'll believe it when I see it and since your post contained no links, I certainly don't believe you. But then again, I've already told you that I think that the Book of Revelation is just the ramblings of a madman who was pissed off at the Roman Empire (another thing I find funny is that people read so far into that stupid chapter as well).

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: beezzer Yea so even the regular Muslims are afraid of the "Muslims" and cant do anything about it but go along.


By the way does anyone know were "moderate" Muslims are in control of a nation?

Brunei .. malaysia .. indonesia are all islamic countries with moderate leaders .

a reply to: BO XIAN

Yes yes yes. Christianity is ok, just a few bad spots and Islam is the the right hand of the devil. Whatever. It's the same s# different wrapper buddy. The reason you can't have a rational discourse with me is your fault. You've convinced yourself that Christianity is somehow different from Islam. It isn't. They are both tools that the people in charge use to subjugate and control the little people all by disguising themselves as the answers to life's questions (which they do a terrible job answering). Not to mention, you also have a TERRIBLE habit of just repeating yourself over and over again (without sources) pretending like if you say it enough, I should suddenly start believing it. Sorry there, I stopped being a Christian awhile ago. Those tactics don't work on me anymore.

a reply to: Expat888

You might check with a lot of Australian relatives

how Indonesia's moderate Islamic leadership worked out for them.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I think you'd do better at this than I.

I'm losing the stomach for defense of the truth and sanity on such issues.

Thanks for a breath of fresh air on the OP topic. I think you are quite right.

BTW, you have a PM.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Expat888

You might check with a lot of Australian relatives

how Indonesia's moderate Islamic leadership worked out for them.

How did it work out for us Aussies?

Please do tell?

a reply to: freedom7

You know OP your doing exactly what "Terriorist " do , miss interpret scripture..

I am an American Muslim convert.

And I recall prior to becoming disgusted by Islam after 9/11 , but i was sick of hearing from other people (not Muslims) about Islam.

So i did exactly what you said in your OP ..i started reading the quran... So long story short i was amazed to find out 99.9% of all the stuff i heard about Islam was ......FALSE!

People use innovation in place of things they don't understand... This is a big problem in Islam ..even Muslims do this..

This causes sects, and terroir cells.. Its disgusting .


I am not here to debate with anyone about Islam , frankly I am sick of trying to explain to Ignorant people who refuse to pick up the book or research for them self's.


Islam is strict, yes , its ment to keep you on a straight path and focused on GOD EVERYDAY.

Its almost like living the life of a monk or priest ..

The reward is a life of positivity and free from negitve temptation. And most of all an understanding of love and compassion.

Some people view this as oppression...

to be Muslim means to Summit your will to god I ask you how can you force anyone to submit their will to god?

Unfortunately we have extremist in this religion. But they are small in number , the number of Muslims who are not extreme is far greater.

Any Muslim trying to establish Sharia law in non Muslim lands is completely WRONG. It is of the understanding that if Muslims want to live by sharia then they need to move to a country that has sharia law.

:side note: Christians &Jews are protected under sharia law :


Well I don't know what els to say really, I am sure I'll get lots of non Muslim scholars replying to this trying to refute anything I say.

My advice would be to simply be open minded and research for your self.

Oh and here is a good understanding of the verse you posted.

Some non-Muslims either through ignorance or Islam-bashing continue taking the verses of the Holy Quran out of context and its history to justify their false propaganda. In order to gain a proper understanding of many  verses in the Holy Quran, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations. So many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the fellow Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. The verse 8:12 is one such verse which is misinterpreted. The verse and its brief explanation follows:

008.012  Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


This verse and the verses before and after were revealed about the Battle of Badr, which occurred in Arabia in the early seventh century. A battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled more than 200 miles to Madinah with an army of about 1000 to destroy Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and fellow Muslims had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. And now that they had fled Makkah and found a sanctuary in the city of Madinah, they were once again threatened. Muslim Army was only about 300 strong. God Almighty gave the order to Muslims to fight to defend their lives and faith. The enemy came to them with the intent to kill Muslims. It was a war to defend themselves and their Faith. It was a war imposed upon Muslims.

And when you fight, you strive to kill the enemy during the fight.
However, even during the war, Islam has the highest moral law of war. You don't kill children, women or any one who is not fighting with you.

Hope this helps

Humbly

LSH