Firefighter chases dog and both are missing 411?

a reply to: RobinB022

I meant to tell you that just the title of that thread
seeing it in the RP section. I thought exactly the same thing
without even clicking on it. So I know what you mean.

It would still be nice to know of a date or ‘general date’ for the sighting of the Dog/Wolf-like creature.

Interesting that the thread title included the possibility of another Missing-411 type of case…when the developed story clearly fits the general profile.
A major consideration in the Missing-411 cases, is the unbelievably lame explanations the authorities put forward, while trying to continue to sound authoritarian.
Do the MIBs show up, don their shades, and hit the flash…then tell The Authorities what happened, and how they will move forward…?
I guess we can’t expect said Authorities to act any more valiantly than we…given similar circumstances… Can’t just admit that you are baffled… You are the expert…and if you don’t act like one, now – someone-else, who will act like one…will take your place…
Do they know something? Rumors abound in those halls of force…
We were fortunate to get to hear & see the news, in the media conference announcing the discovery and recovery of the body…from a local sheriff…rather than FBI or a simple news-blurp. His emotions and frustration were apparent throughout – and, rather than claiming to know how or why…what happened, happened – he admitted that it didn’t make sense.
How can so many cases…be so similar…and not attract the attention of a concerned government?
Why are mercenaries the only ones that will go into such a scenario…unless they don’t know what they’re up against, until too late to retreat…?
I should write a movie…
Of course, no-one cares to invest anything into such an unknown situation…unless something of value…to them, is at risk. So – since it’s just…people…no investment is called for.
And – stupid government – totally forgot…that there was a sequel…where, once again – downtown Los Angeles was ravaged by unholy terror…that had before kept to mountain wildernesses (or rainforest jungles).

In a way – and for some reason – spookysully’s tale of the upright Dog/Wolf-Creature, reminded me of the Brothers Grimm…

We have entertained all kinds of culprits in this thread… No reason to limit the possibilities to what we can adequately explain…either.

It still begs the question – why not take out both Herdman & Byars…?
Something that could take out Herdman…with Byars none-the-wiser…could, likewise, take out Byars in that same night, and/or the following day…as he ‘searched’ for Herdman &/or Duke.

Why kill…only one – if the kill was not for food?
If it was territorial – Byars should have been a soft, easy target the rest of the night and following day/s…and he supposedly remained at the campsite…where Duke had started the events.

…haven’t had my warm milk, yet.
Nighty Knight

ETA: Oh – Yeah – Sorry…
ALSO – did you ever notice that the trackers only claimed to have identified Herdman’s tracks?
And – those tracks said that he was walking & not in a rush.
Why didn’t they claim to have identified Byars’ tracks, as well?

a reply to: WanDash

I'm sorry WanDash, I completely forgot about the date. It would have been 1980 possibly 1979 but I'm almost certain it was 1980. Cheers

a reply to: spookysully
Thank you, spookysully
I have found nothing of interest regarding the time-frame in &/or around Shelby, NE.
Very few resources available... Guess I could look at Osceola, or some of the other surrounds.
Still - something to, perhaps, keep an eye/ear out for.

After listening to the latest from Paulides and Canam missing 411, I want to change my opinion on what's likely happening to these people... Ha ha! I have no idea!! C2C

I feel foolish having shared my experiences and making the connection, though I think there may be something to it, I, very much think that a high percentage of these people were taken by a very human element that could be working with/for an as of yet, unknown entity. Not in the sense that any ordinary or prosaic method is being used but its a feeling I have that a very human element along with or having access to some advanced technology could be at work here?

Back to square one?

a reply to: spookysully
Thanks for the update.
I do not listen to shows or radio as a rule, nowadays. Can you give a brief on what is in this 'show' that gave you such a goose?

Appreciate your thoughts on the topic.

a reply to: WanDash

It was just the study of urban disappearances and some of the more bizarre characteristics in the new Missing 411 book A Sobering Coincidence. Its 2015, not much is new under the sun and it takes a strange tale to intrigue me the way all of these have just listening to him talk about them on the radio.

Something of a truly bizarre nature is happening to people all over the planet and getting to the bottom of it will be a monumental job due to the foulness of government and its endless tentacles. If they're not behind it then they're at the very least aware of it and are covering up and ignoring a very real danger. Its like I'm watching a really bad movie and can't shut it off when I pay attention to current events.

Very interesting listen and I encourage you to lift your ban of no listening to give this a try. Its youtube so you'll have adds and have to listen to George Knapp, the host, ramble on about music as he perpetually interrupts his guest to sell add space... It gave me a much deeper perspective than just people vanishing from National forests, which, don't get me wrong, is weird enough but this... Some of the cases are just down right creepy and make you think of MKUltra type insidiousness! A book I want to get for sure.

Cheers

a reply to: spookysully

Holy crap, Spooky...those are some very interesting encounters you had--especially the Dogman sighting. The jerky/twitchy motion is something I've come across in many high strangeness encounters; it seems to be almost ubiquitous across all types of "entity" sightings, from "aliens" to "ghosts" to cryptids of all kinds.

I have more thoughts on this topic, and I have responses to Wandash and Randy and others, which I will hopefully get to soon. Work is kicking my arse right now, which is why I haven't been around this past week.

a reply to: WanDash

Been doing some searching Wan and I think this is more
your mindset. I was shocked to see what the eagle was capable of
and never would have guessed it was this cunning.



Feels good to touch base with the more level headed train of
thought to just stay GROUNDED. You might say.

a reply to: randyvs

Interesting watch! I know the dogs would be able to pick up the scent of a lion and a cat killing a kid like this will certainly leave a trail for them to follow. In rare cases there's no resistance and the prey is taken off to be eaten or stored without much fuss but the scent of that animal will be there for search dogs specifically trained to locate and follow lion scent or bear or wolf etc

I imagine the eagles are an option with small kids and I've seen some huge Golden eagles up in Montana but none I think capable of carrying off any human larger than a toddler/smaller 3 to 4 year old. What about all those taken who fit in the, larger than a toddler category?

Who knows but the portal explanation seems more likely than perpetual search dog failure and eagles capable of carrying off grown men. Portals have been used to sell television shows, no one will look at this as an option beyond threads in certain forums...

a reply to: spookysully

I put it up mainly for the way the eagle dragged it's prey off
the side of the cliff. Knowing that many people are found in
such places. Certainly not meant to paint with a broad brush
amigo.

a reply to: randyvs

In my mind, a "portal", as a device, could handle a large part of the Herdman mystery.

Back to the vulture/s, condor/s, buzzards and/or other carrion...
We see buzzards (turkey vultures) routinely swarming fresh roadkill - alert to approaching vehicles - jump out of the way, 'most always, before too late - then swarm back, even though more traffic is approaching.
Maybe these 'buzzards' are 'domesticated'... (?)
Within the last ten years, I was driven onto a ranch near the base of the Guadalupe Mtns (West Texas, Southeastern New Mexico), that was sparsely covered with small brush, cactus, rolling-sage (tumbleweeds) and sand/dirt. The ranch was tens of thousands of acres...and more than an hour or two into the 'excursion', we drove up on a working windmill and large power lines at the top of one of the highpoints on the ranch - and there were hundreds of these buzzards, all roosting in the middle of the day (it was late Autumn).
Barely a ripple of concern was evident in the 'herd' as we drove under, past, around, then back under them.

Why would such birds of the Sespe Wilderness Area of the Los Padres', in a zone dedicated to a habitat safe from humans (for such birds) not circle and descend on the corpse for at least a few of the days?
If they were easily spooked - I might understand...
Maybe there was so much death and dying in the vicinity...that they weren't hungry... (?)
Predation was reportedly evident... So - 'we' cannot exempt such carrion from participating... But...
How/Why would the searchers have missed the display/s?
This was, apparently, an area where choppers regularly delivered S&R Teams.
How incompetent must these professional 'teams' & chopper pilots have been...to miss such an OBVIOUS clue?

...Unless - the body wasn't in that location for those many days.

A portal could handle that part of the mystery.

But - a portal is just a device... It needs some motivation.
Tsurugi is thinking 'human element'...

The possibility of this being 'the' answer to the Missing-411 mystery, as well as to the Herdman mystery...continues to pose the question - "Why Him/Her?"
I don't think the motivation can be explained with simple 'opportunity'. ...Unless everyone that goes 'missing' is, likewise, dead/killed.

...
If Herdman was dragged from that cliff (100' to 200' drop), it would need to have been a huge-gantic bird.
On the other hand - if he was standing on the cliff in the middle of the night - and a large bird of prey swooped him - he could have been spooked into losing his footing, and fallen from the cliff.
But - again - why no circling carrion through the early days of S&R?

At present - for me - it seems most likely that his body was not in the location found, until (or, around-about) the day of its discovery.
That is an unlikely place for a predator to drag the body...at such a stage of decomposition.
...

A bird of prey or condor/vulture does not easily handle the "Duke-part" of the story.
A portal...with someone/something capable of stepping through and back...could.

a reply to: WanDash

Where did you and I switch personas?

One year two months later and I'm still sitting here beating myself
in the head over this case.

No I mean literally.

I wonder what Tsurugi has for us?

I'm gonna e-m Dave.

Note to thread
Just finished up an invite to Mr. Paulides via CanAm.com to even briefly
join us in thread.

a reply to: randyvs
I'm guessing that you think a 'flip-flop' can not only be worn on a foot, but also - a persona... (?)
Flip-Flops don't cost much, either.
I have known women with more flip flops, on hand, at a given time...than I have owned pairs of shoes, boots & sandals in my lifetime.

Tusurgi is a wuss.
Letting work kick his arse...


I would guess that Mr. Paulides has already considered everything we have touched upon, and, perhaps, significantly more - for as long as his head has been buried in these mysteries.
Would love to hear/read/consider his thoughts and/or suggestions...too.

a reply to: spookysully

Spooky, take a look at this:



Its a 30 second clip from a CCTV system in a pub in the UK. The pub was closed for the night when this vid was recorded.
The part I want you to see specifically is the strange "shadow" that makes its way along the wall on the right. It has a very strange jerking, twitchy way of moving. You may need to watch it a couple of times to see what I'm talking about.

Is it similar at all to the way the wolfman moved?

a reply to: WanDash

Tusurgi is a wuss.
Letting work kick his arse...

Have you ever spent wine thru your nose?

originally posted by: WanDash

Tusurgi is a wuss.

a reply to: spookysully

Thank you for relating your experiences.
After hearing Mr. Paulides on C2C the other evening---I doubt I'll ever venture into the wild woods again....and I'm as intrigued as ever as to the cause of these mysterious disappearances. Very baffling indeed.

a reply to: Tsurugi
I'm sorry.
Having a bad day...couple/few days - and needed a punching bag.

a reply to: WanDash

As to why the searchers didn't see vultures? Way back in this thread (pg 34 or so I think) I was wondering the same thing. I called my buddy who is a for-real forensics expert who got his training at the Body Farm in Knoxville under the tutelage of Dr. Bill Bass. Here's my post :

I was so puzzled by this lack of buzzards that I called my buddy back and asked him about it. His opinion is that by the time the searchers got there, the vultures could have already come and gone. This comes from his experience studying with Dr. Bass at UT. I won't go into the gory details but his opinion is based on direct observations. His answer, paraphrased, went something like this---"If the guy died on the side of that hill on the night he disappeared, the vultures knew about it by sunrise. By the time the searchers arrived, some 48 hours or more later, the vultures would have done their job and there would be no reason for them to return---especially when helicopters began invading their airspace."