Police: Man swinging crowbar shot to death by officer

You have a real lack of common sense don't ya?

I man comes at 2 police officers with a DEADLY WEAPON and one officer is down and the other shoots the guy....

Maybe they had tazers and maybe not, not every cop in my town carries them.

Don't matter though Mr. keyboard commando...the guy had a deadly weapon and got shot.

No police abuse that I see here.

You cop haters see everything as abuse if they don't hold your hand and whisper sweet nothings in your ear.

Just like the idiots carrying their AR15's into Denny's make responsible gun owners look bad, you cop basher's who post EVERYTHING and claim police abuse really takes the spotlight off the real abusers out there.

Recommended reading: The story of the boy who cried wolf & maybe Chicken little.

I'm sorry but have you ever tried to run at someone swinging a heavy piece of metal?

Have you ever tried running while swinging a bat? Your top speed is greatly reduced when your trying to swing steel.

The cops could have gotten to a more defensible position easily. This could have been handled better than lethal force.

I don't want to side with the criminal, but this guy was probably just having a bad day and was venting in the wrong way.

He did not deserve to die for this. Now if he HAD actually injured someone with it then i could understand lethal force.

Poor guy was just getting his life started.

I have a spot in my heart for those who have been victimized by police brutality. I was once a victim of it.

I had an argument with a family member, the cops showed up and i took off cause i didn't want to talk.

Two cops chased me down and hit me as i jumped a fence. The held me for about twenty minutes in cuffs in their car. They took my knife that i did not brandish nor make any threatening gestures, nor was i rude. I never got it back.

All because i didn't want to talk to them, and had every right in the world not too.

They released me after. As minute an event as mine was, it showed me that they are in fact bullies with guns.

You don't need to hit someone to question them, and they have cars, i was on foot.

Absolute monsters with badges now days. Hot under the collar juice heads paying back what they got during their childhood.

I know there are a few officers on the board. If you are a decent law biding officer than you have my blessing and my support.

If your a power hungry monster just itching to exercise your RIGHTS..... Grow up. A lot of us had rough childhoods. We dont turn in to monsters to get revenge.

Is anyone seeing a pattern with police brutality lately? Seems like the cool thing to do.

originally posted by: applesthateatpeople
a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom

Cowards always shoot to kill at any type of threat.

It involves the least amount of thought.

Cowards On Patrol is becoming quite the problem lately.

Anyone with ANY level of required training can take down a nut with a crowbar without a weapons discharge.

There were two cops?

One fell down?

Cowards!!!

Cowards always judge others without being in the situation.

It involves the least amount of thought

Cowards On internet forums are becoming quite the problem lately.

Anyone with ANY level of intelligence wouldn't make judgements just on what they read on the internet without being there.

There were two cops.

One fell down.

Perpetrator shot, good job!

a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom
Cops are known to be liars, in fact it is their job.
I will believe it is a clean and unavoidable shoot when I see the video.
If no video is available, I'll just go on the assumption another undertrained cop murdered a civilian.
Cops lie.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

Cops showed up and you started running away? You sound like a real winner!

If you don't think a crowbar isn't a lethal weapon stand in front of someone with one for 5 seconds. Takes a little longer than a gun but those puppies WILL kill you. That's why Canucks don't need guns. We have tie irons. Crowbars. BB bats. Hell, even a knife is "pussy" up here.

originally posted by: Euphem
a reply to: shaneslaughta

Cops showed up and you started running away? You sound like a real winner!

Yo bro, no need to attack me personally. Grow Up.

I have every right to leave, i have every right to not speak to them. Do not tell me otherwise.

It was for a verbal argument, and i removed myself from said argument by leaving.
Just so happened to be they arrive at the exact same time.

Perhaps stop being so judgmental about people and situations that you don't fully understand.

a reply to: Euphem
Considering the amount of videos that are coming to the surface every day thanks to organizations such as copblock, A person would be crazy to stay and "talk" with the police.
I have seen some videos where the civilians best bet would have been to just open fire when the cops got there.
Kelly Thomas comes to mind.
Anyone who enjoys beating the weak and feeble are nothing to respect.

I find it hard to believe that any sane person would not think that going at a police officer with a crow bar is not, the majority of the time, going to end up being shot. It's just stupid or someone trying to kill.

Don't pepper spray have like a 30 foot range? same with tazers? I see no reason why these officers had to get that close that a tire iron would be a lethal threat.

Is that not the exact reason why they carry such an array of TOOLS? So they have options other than lethal force?

Give me a break. Why is it that some people on here just drool at the thought of violence and death?

God forbid any of you ever find your self in a bad situation with a less than honorable member of the law enforcement community.

I am not one to usually favor the cops in cases where there were options. However, I am gonna side with the cops on this one. Swing a crowbar at close range and I would shoot to kill also.

originally posted by: Mamatus
I am not one to usually favor the cops in cases where there were options. However, I am gonna side with the cops on this one. Swing a crowbar at close range and I would shoot to kill also.

If they were that close and were taken off guard by the perp and struck sure.

In this situation, from what i have read, they were responding to an assault, talking to the suspect and he pulled it out and started swinging.

Where did he pull it from? a car? his rear? Really now, this sounds fishy.

They should have been in the open with distance between them and the suspect.
And in a situation like this it should be SOP to split up and flank the suspect to cover different routes and make sure there will be no surprises.

Sounds like there is more to the story we don't have yet, or its a cop or two who handled things badly and had a buddy cover his/their ass.

Nothing is conclusive, but from the evidence we have so far, this was handled wrong all the way around.

At lest in my eyes.

a reply to: Euphem

I agree we need cops, I never said we didn't. I did say they need stricter rules on when they can shoot and kill people.
And i agree not all cops are bad, but there sure as heck some bad ones, and that can't be over looked and brushed to the side cause they are not all bad.
I think it comes down to training and conditioning too, former military members are going to be conditioned to kill, sorry that is just the way it is. When i went thru boot "kill" was a catch all response for acknowledgment, as thru out my military experience. Just a small example of the conditioning I am talking about.

I take it your first what if has me in charge of all bad guys??? Seem rather crazy hypo situation.
As it is, cops and cartels are evenly armed. Cartels might even outgun them, what is stopping them from killing them all?
And I do have some hand to hand training dealing with people with weapons, marines offer a program called mcmap, nothing special but it gives you some good basics, so i would like to think i could handle it with out killing the man.
I would at least try to do it without killing him at least.
Cops have tazers, pepper spray and their very own baton which can do just as much damage as a crowbar IMO.
It was 2v1 but one guy fell so the cop had to kill the guy, i think that is sad.
Last time i checked assault with deadly weapon does not carry a death sentence in the court rooms, but that doesn't matter any more it seems. Due process can be skipped by the cops that are the judge jury and executioner

originally posted by: Sremmos80
Last time i checked assault with deadly weapon does not carry a death sentence in the court rooms, but that doesn't matter any more it seems. Due process can be skipped by the cops that are the judge jury and executioner

People think im crazy when i tell them were being conditioned. Judge Dread anyone?

a reply to: mwood

Can we argue that the cops didn't use common sense or SOP for not detaining the man suspected of assault?
Isn't that reason they detain people, for their safety and ours?
I'll admit it is being a little nit picky but if they do that step, which we all know they have every right to at that point, then they don't give the guy the chance to grab the crowbar.
I say grab cause there is no way they were standing there talking to a man with crowbar in his hand, well I guess it is possible but then i refer to sentence one.
It has been pointed out by shaneslaughta, just where did this crow bar come from?
Police reports make the cops look right and the suspect look wrong, that is the entire point.

Well, there goes one guy who wasn't a good thief, nor much good with a crowbar either. In fact, not much good at saving his own life.
You know the sort of thing...a, "useless eater" Not much deference there really, unlike a known high profile gang member who had a gun, and baggies who did a runner and was brought down by a taser, or like OJ, a homicide suspect in a possible rage killing, who cruised LA for a couple of hours.
Things like this event are not about split-second decision making per se, they are about the parameters police are allowed to operate in, and they are badly wrong.

a reply to: smurfy

Things like this event are not about split-second decision making per se, they are about the parameters police are allowed to operate in, and they are badly wrong.

I agree 100% with this, sadly it seems that that is flawed thinking on our part as shown by many comments in this thread.
The one that got me, well it was also directed at me but that is not why i chose it.

This is why the police don't allow civilian oversight, because people don't understand the rules they operate under - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

It also goes on to talk about the stress of the job, as if that justifies making the decision to take ones life any more correct.

Yeah I can't really fault the officer here.
Swing a crowbar at me and I will shoot too.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

I didn't attack you. If the cops are called on you because of an argument and you run away, that is just pure win on your part.

a reply to: g146541

So how many interactions are there with the police around the world on a daily basis? Divide those by the number of videos you see. There are always going to be bad apples in any organization.

Saying that people should open fire on cops is really ignorant and insane. That is like a cop showing up and shooting a pit bull because some can be bad. I see your picture and own a pit bull as well(along with a GSD, and a presa canario) so think about that for a second.

I can show you plenty of videos of pit bulls killing people, but there are plenty of circumstances behind that, and other dogs kill as well....