LGBTQ is forced on elementary students in schools without parents consent

a reply to: poweref

Everything else is propaganda or your belief system.

Ah. I see. So - you are what, in secondary? Junior High/Middle School or High School? Home-schooled? In a church school?

Do you know anything about psychology or sociology?

originally posted by: poweref
Believe whatever you want, but that is just that - BELIEF.

You are born human being - male or female. Everything else is propaganda or your belief system.

So are you born straight, or is that also propaganda, or your belief system?

a reply to: poweref

So teaching children about gays, just makes more of them gays.

Kind of like teaching about albinos makes more albinos ?

You are entitled to your beliefs.

They just happen to be wrong.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: poweref

Everything else is propaganda or your belief system.

Ah. I see. So - you are what, in secondary? Home-schooled? In a church school?

Do you know anything about psychology or sociology?

Like always you touch your personal fears. You fear of church school people or home schooled? Are that bad people? I do not say I am, Im telling you about who you are when you are wondering this. You cannot accept simple facts like we are human beings and you want to take new level with psychology that is what your weapon against people you do not agree with? So what if im experienced in psychology? Does that change in any way what I said? No.

And you really need to prove me with your claim. I claim you are born as human being and nothing else, but you can counterclaim this? I would like to see that.

So you are born human, and what else? Give me some laugh

originally posted by: whyamIhere
a reply to: poweref

So teaching children about gays, just makes more of them gays.

Kind of like teaching about albinos makes more albinos ?

You are entitled to your beliefs.

They just happen to be wrong.

No lol - since they ARE NOT ALBINOS.

Am i talking with wells?

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: poweref
Believe whatever you want, but that is just that - BELIEF.

You are born human being - male or female. Everything else is propaganda or your belief system.

So are you born straight, or is that also propaganda, or your belief system?

You are born as human being. Are you straight or gay that is your belief system - it is your will. You can choose to be none.

a reply to: poweref

And you really need to prove me with your claim. I claim you are born as human being and nothing else, but you can counterclaim this? I would like to see that.

I didn't claim that we are not born human. We ARE, definitely, born human. And we are ALL worthy of respect and dignity at birth.

You claimed, right here:

So teaching children about gays, just makes more of them gays.

Noone is born gay. Thats big rubbish.

.. that people of sexual orientations or gender identities that are 'not typical' are going to 'turn other people that way.' THAT is what I am disputing. You also claimed, right there - that "no one is born gay".

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: poweref

You claimed, right here:

So teaching children about gays, just makes more of them gays.
Noone is born gay. Thats big rubbish.

.. that people of sexual orientations or gender identities that are 'not typical' are going to 'turn other people that way.' THAT is what I am disputing. You also claimed, right there - that "no one is born gay".

I did not say that gay people will turn straight people to gay. I say that indoctrination and showing how to do homosexual acts makes more gays. What you advertise is what you get. Thats perfectly normal to claim, because if that is not how I explained, then you actually say that we teach kids in schools and get nothing from it - they do not learn anything.

What you are planting that will you grow. That is my claim. My claim is that school education is indoctrination about this subject. It is not in any way scientific. You wont hear anything about right to not be straight or gay, you simply learn that there are more than normal. What??

Why would you want to teach your children that there exist abnormal human habits? And also suggest them that it is perfectly acceptable and normal experience anyone should have.

Noone cant be born gay. Thats unintelligent or dumb to say.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Gryphon66

(Snip)

While you may disagree about my not sitting my children down and say some people are homosexual, it was my right to parent the way I choose, and no one can tell me I parented wrong because I didn't say some men or women ##### #### #### . I didn't say the same about heterosexuality either...

Neither grew up messed up, or hating people for being gay, actually they both grew up more understanding of that sort of thing than myself...

That said: Not YOU and not some school will teach my child that sort of thing either. EVER. It is not your place, it is mine... the day you tell me what I HAVE to teach my children and grandchildren concerning YOUR sexuality... is the day you declare war on me, when I and others like me have done you no harm.

I haven't claimed anywhere that I disagreed with your "not sitting my children down and say some people are homosexual, it was my right to parent the way I choose, and no one can tell me I parented wrong because I didn't say some men or women ##### #### ####" ...

... and no one in the videos under discussion here said any of that that either.

As to this mess ...

Not YOU and not some school will teach my child that sort of thing either. EVER. It is not your place, it is mine... the day you tell me what I HAVE to teach my children and grandchildren concerning YOUR sexuality... is the day you declare war on me, when I and others like me have done you no harm.

In school as in real life, your kids will have to learn to get along with people from different races, religions, nationalities, and sexual orientations, regardless of whether you WANT THEM TO or not. Because there are black kids and Chicano kids and Catholic kids and Muslim kids and Chinese kids and Indian kids and gay kids and straight kids. in every school, in every summer camp, in every church youth group, in the grocery store, at the pizza place, etc. etc. etc. etc. WHETHER YOU TELL YOUR KIDS ABOUT IT OR NOT!

And the one the one that really chaps my a-double ... WHO THE HECK WANTS TO TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT GAY SEX? HUH???

Certainly not me!!! Not the videos in this discussion, no one, no where.

Sexual orientation does not mean orientation on sex (sexual intercourse)... it means what sex (male or female) one is oriented emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, as well as romantically to. There is more than one meaning of the word "sex" AND IN THIS CASE it refers to male or female.

Is your life totally dominated by the sex (male or female) you've been attracted to your whole life?

Does your sexual orientation make you want to go out and program someone elses kids to be like you or to discuss adult matters of the mechanics of sex with???? NO???

THEN WHY WOULD I OR ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DO THAT? ANSWER: I wouldn't, haven't, don't want to, and have never thought of it.

originally posted by: poweref

I did not say that gay people will turn straight people to gay. I say that indoctrination and showing how to do homosexual acts makes more gays. What you advertise is what you get.

I obviously realize that English is not your first language, but ... let's look at your claim here.

This imaginary "indoctrination" and "showing how to do homosexual acts" (WHAT IN THE FLAMING $%&# ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?) makes more gays.

So what you're saying here is that gay sex is SO attractive and SO amazing and SO life-changing that merely being shown "how things work" will make people leave their natural inclinations and start "going gay"?

That's a very interesting fantasy there ... I think it might say more about the speaker than the subject.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

I obviously realize that English is not your first language, but ... let's look at your claim here.

This imaginary "indoctrination" and "showing how to do homosexual acts" (WHAT IN THE FLAMING $%&# ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?) makes more gays.

So what you're saying here is that gay sex is SO attractive and SO amazing and SO life-changing that merely being shown "how things work" will make people leave their natural inclinations and start "going gay"?

That's a very interesting fantasy there ... I think it might say more about the speaker than the subject.

Yes, thank you. I like to distort English. This is very simple language with a lot of disabilities so my thoughts sounds weird when I try to make complicated sentence. I still believe you understood literally everything and that was my point, but still you had urge to tell something about it.

It is irrelevant is it attractive, amazing or not. It is fact : show it to masses and you will get numbers. Is that hard to accept? I claim that sexual education makes more gays in community by simple fact that a lot of them will see, learn/ search, make hobbies with this new idea in their heads.

We are talking kids yes? So when you say boobs, a$$, and a lot of other words, now when you put pictures, videos, suggestions - do you really claim that does not make something?

So fill their heads with gay porn, and what they will do? They will google gay porn. Do you really argue that or you claim is not so?

So, after that, this kids will find about many more keywords about subject. They will see whatever they want, the way they want. Im talking about 12, 13, 14 years old.

So now you filled kids with new propagated "freedom", and you simply raise number of kids that will try something. So what part of my claim you do not accept?

www.abc15.com...

this is sick,there are some people on this planet that are up to no good,I almost threw up

originally posted by: poweref
(snip)

It is irrelevant is it attractive, amazing or not. It is fact : show it to masses and you will get numbers. Is that hard to accept? I claim that sexual education makes more gays in community by simple fact that a lot of them will see, learn/ search, make hobbies with this new idea in their heads.

We are talking kids yes? So when you say boobs, a$$, and a lot of other words, now when you put pictures, videos, suggestions - do you really claim that does not make new gay people?

So fill their heads with gay porn, and what they will do? They will google gay porn.
Do you really argue that or you claim is not so?

So, after that, this kids will find about many more keywords about subject. They will see whatever they want, the way they want. Im talking about 12, 13, 14 years old.

So now you filled kids with new propagated "freedom", and you simply raise number of kids that will try something. So what part of my claim you do not accept?

My comment about your speech was intended to acknowledge that you might have meant something different than you said above. Obviously, you meant exactly what you said ...

First of all, no one, any where in this thread or in the videos were showing "gay porn" to the students.

Second of all, you are saying that if someone views or reads about or is exposed to the realities of "gay sex" then they will want to try it ... because ... because ... why, exactly, again?

You think that viewing the details of sexual acts makes anyone anywhere act completely contrary to their own nature???

You've got some strange ideas. I'll admit it.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
www.abc15.com...

this is sick,there are some people on this planet that are up to no good,I almost threw up

The first two example were kinda humorous in context, although I think they'd be appreciated more by older kids.

The one demeaning menstruation would be inappropriate for any age group, admittedly.

Administrators at this school made some really bad decisions.

That does not suggest that there is a national/international plot involved.

IMHO

a reply to: Gryphon66

I think there is something being pushed, they just want to see how much people will accept.

neprimer.com...

www.washingtontimes.com...

just sayin

originally posted by: Gryphon66

First of all, no one, any where in this thread or in the videos were showing "gay porn" to the students.

Second of all, you are saying that if someone views or reads about or is exposed to the realities of "gay sex" then they will want to try it ... because ... because ... why, exactly, again?

You think that viewing the details of sexual acts makes anyone anywhere act completely contrary to their own nature???

You've got some strange ideas. I'll admit it.

They do not even need to show videos. We are talking kids They just need to tell them some keywords and they will google everything else, and they will see every act for witch they find keyword.

Now how do you exactly get gay from that point? Well, you will introduce them gay concept in very early age, like for example 10 years olders. They wont become sexually active soon. They will become sexually active in like 2-5 years from time when they first heard about gays.

So, in that exact time 2-5 years you get new gays from this particular indoctrination. It is not instant. It is idea that grows with years. They will think about it, they will doubt, and finally, some of them will do it.

Well you can argue that they would do it anyway, but still I claim that with indoctrination we raise percentage of gays. So what is natural percentage when you raise number with indoctrination? That percentage is not the same in areas where sex education is implemented in contrast to where is not.

I do not think that viewing, hearing and learning shapes their thinking, I know it.

a reply to: txinfidel

We're in it to win it bud.

Once you get on, ain't no changing it. All you can do is take the bucks and turns and hope you're okay after it.

I have a feeling that the Universe is getting pissed off with all of this petty nonsense and is going to give us a nudge in the right direction before 2018

originally posted by: Gryphon66

That does not suggest that there is a national/international plot involved.

IMHO

Lol, I would disagree

Sexual education is rooted in Kinsey researches, and everything from that root is not good for children.

So, until you change root and basics for sexual education, whole concept is just rubbish - pedophilian propaganda. Literally everything.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Gryphon66

I think there is something being pushed, they just want to see how much people will accept.

neprimer.com...

www.washingtontimes.com...

just sayin

So ... bad choices on the part of administrators at one school, an archaic document about communism from a book written by an arch-conservative in 1958, and a story about a trans* kid all add up to "something being pushed"?

That comes from a homeschool site eh? Sadly, that doesn't surprise me.

Those goals were not written by communists, or the American Communist party, but are a list of supposed goals from a paranoid work of fiction "The Naked Communist" by Cleon Skousen.

Mr. Skousen was a member of the John Birch Society and an ardent Mormon apologist. He was dismissed from his job in law enforcement for being "too-Gestapo-like." He was abruptly terminated from the group American Security Council in 1962 because they were concerned that his ideas were going to give the conservative group a bad name.

Another of his famous writings was "The Communists Attack on the Mormons" in 1970, which explained that calls from that Blacks be accepted into the priesthood were merely attacks on a holy institution. (Mormon Church started accepting Black Priests eight years later).

By 1979, the LDS Church officially started distancing itself from Mr. Skousen ... yes, that's right, he was too crazy-conservative for the Mormons. (Source: Wikipedia Article on Cleon Skousen)

I'd take it with a grain of salt ... in short.

a reply to: poweref

Sexual orientation, straight, gay, bisexual, any combination of these, has been clearly and repeatedly demonstrated in hundreds of scientific studies to be an innate characteristic that is related to genetics, pre-natal hormones and development, brain structure and development, and to a lesser extent by family heritage, etc. etc. etc.

Sexual orientation is not changed in any way by viewing sexual acts of any sort.

You are welcome to your opinion, but it is not borne out by any scientific evidence whatsoever,

Best.