Could Physical Reality be a Dream?

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: CJCrawley
I don't believe that dreams are reality or that reality is a dream.

We can have pretty realistic dreams sometimes but you still know it's just a dream, right?

Radical.

But if you stayed in the dream, and couldn't return to the body what would that be. Or could it be that time does not exist in the mind, you can dwell in the past, and imagine the future, in that sense time is a lot more fluid.
Or it could be that to be alive is a state that could be called "Dream locked" as the time invested from birth to a working degree of awareness takes quite a while.

People can be dream locked... here is a paper I wrote on experiencing long periods of time in a short dream.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I FIND IT STRANGE THE CONCEPT THAT SCIENTIST HAVE ABOUT THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE.

THEY SAY THE UNIVERSE COULD BE A PROJECTION FROM THE FAR SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE OR BLACKHOLE ONTO A FLAT PLANE. ALL WE ARE IS INFORMATION IN OUR SMALLEST LEVELS.
TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OLD FASHIONED CRT TV. THE CATHODE RAY TUBE PROJECTS THE IMAGE ONTO A FLAT PIECE OF GLASS AT THE FRONT.

ALSO WHEN THE UNIVERSE IS NOT BEING OBSERVED ITS WAVE FORM COLLAPSES INTO BEING ALL POSSIBILITIES, MAYBE THE BLANK PART OF THE TV SCREEN NOT HAVING INFORMATION PROJECTED ONTO IT. ONCE OBSERVED IT BECOMES SET MATTER INTO ONE POSSIBILITY WE SEE.

ALSO THE PHILOSOPHER PLATO HAS THE CAVE ANALOGY ABOUT HOW WE SEE ONLY A SHADOW OF THE TRUE REALITY OF TRUTH:
"Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to designate names to these shadows. The shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners." WIKIPEDIA.

THIS TOO SOUNDS LIKE A PROJECTION OR HOLOGRAM OR TV, ARE WE LIVING IN A TV OR COMPUTER WITH OUR REALITY PROJECTED ONTO A FLAT PLANE AND THE 3D WORLD AROUND US IS AN ILLUSION.

a reply to: YouAreDreaming

I pose a second question to your own; Could dreams be a physical reality?

There is no difference between reality and dreams, only perception. You close your eyes and shut down your awareness therefore you perceive "I am asleep". You open your eyes and place your awareness on this reality and therefore perceive "I am awake". If one had no sight or hearing, how would one perceive the difference? The answer is they can't for there truly is no difference. It is all One. We are all One.

originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

[I]]YouAreDreaming[/iRobert is amazing, I really wish I could have met him or at least attended TMI when he was alive... bummer I missed out on that.

But you can visit him; go to/at the level '24'; ask for him by name.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: YouAreDreaming

I pose a second question to your own; Could dreams be a physical reality?

There is no difference between reality and dreams, only perception. You close your eyes and shut down your awareness therefore you perceive "I am asleep". You open your eyes and place your awareness on this reality and therefore perceive "I am awake". If one had no sight or hearing, how would one perceive the difference? The answer is they can't for there truly is no difference. It is all One. We are all One.

People blind from birth, have reported that they are able to see in an NDE. I like your post.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
I don't believe that dreams are reality or that reality is a dream.
We can have pretty realistic dreams sometimes but you still know it's just a dream, right?

Radical.

No, its really subtle; there are clues that show the difference. In general, if you are dreaming and have a perceived "nightmare" you will wake up in a state of shock; this is just a training period for future 'OOBE' travels in order for you to distinguish between the two. One is a set-up, (I woke up) the other (I did not wake up) and are experiencing trials; within those patterns of self recognition (I hurt myself, I ate food, I felt fear, I WAS TESTED) and DID NOT RETURN TO WAKEFULL STATE until the lesson was accomplished. You realize when you are in OOBE "this is real" just as one perceives 3D, you are traveling in the 4th lighter but body is in another dimension mind/soul/spirit (with your lighter 3D body you recognize AS YOU is exploring. YOU ARE NOT YOUR 3D body you are much more (AN ETERNALLY LIVING CONSCIOUSNESS OF AN INDIVIALISED SELF (THAT BEING YOU IS THE PRIMARY LESSON) to be understood. You can live in more than one dimension at the same time.

originally posted by: JiggyPotamus
Personally I believe that if existence on earth was a dream, or the entire universe we know of is one extended dream, and the dreams we have while sleeping are just small-scale dreams within a larger dream, then it is virtually impossible to establish that we are living in a dream world. Why? Because it seems impossible to me to develop a way to penetrate outside the dream world itself. If you are in a dream and cannot get out of it, and you cannot have any awareness of what exists outside of it, you cannot see this non-dream world I mean, then how can you know it is there?

Earth physical reality is the 'dream' or the mirror of the REALITY, mystics, religious zealots call it the "Kingdom" of heaven for lack of better words describing the higher dimensions. I perceive this world as an extended dream state. In the higher Dimensions there exists so much more freedom of thought/creation. This is a very heavy/physical/sticky Karma build you volunteered to experience (but forgot your initial soul quest) to imagine you soul into greater awareness through this experience. THIS PLACE AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT REAL. One huge clue is the film industry; it MOCKS you as its attempting to gain financially from your ignorance as to why you incarnated here in the first place. YOU ARE PAYING MONEY TO WATCH YOURSELVES learn to be a human.

originally posted by: YouAreDreaming

originally posted by: CJCrawley
I don't believe that dreams are reality or that reality is a dream.

We can have pretty realistic dreams sometimes but you still know it's just a dream, right?

Radical.

What if you are having a dream that lasts a lifetime?

That is exactly what you are experiencing; the test is to decipher through using self determinism/discernment as an individual (god expression) REALIZED what, who and why you are here (actually requested) to having the ultimate carnival ride of ones life.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: YouAreDreaming

I pose a second question to your own; Could dreams be a physical reality?

There is no difference between reality and dreams, only perception. You close your eyes and shut down your awareness therefore you perceive "I am asleep". You open your eyes and place your awareness on this reality and therefore perceive "I am awake". If one had no sight or hearing, how would one perceive the difference? The answer is they can't for there truly is no difference. It is all One. We are all One.

Posing as a proxy (if you don't mind); when you are 'dreaming' you are tuned into "FEAR FACTORISMS" as in you wake up if confronted with decision making. When in an OOBE you recognize "this is real" and will experience falling and hurting when you hit that obstacle . You become hungry and eat food, you can have sex and experience an orgasm (all without waking up) as you are disconnected physically from your physical body (3D) you are connected mentally and spiritually to the place you are REALLY FROM, the 4th or 5th D. OOBES are supposed to express another more real true reality than this one; the 3D; is a testing ground and entirely FAKE.

a reply to: anonentity

Thank you my friend!

@Vethumanbeing

I love your posts, I'm glad to see you still on here!

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: anonentity

Thank you my friend!

@Vethumanbeing

I love your posts, I'm glad to see you still on here!

Who, me? (looking over my left/right shoulders at a phantom being); it is your commentary that keeps those of us intrigued enough to respond; all love/gratitude belongs and is placed upon my perceived idea of your Persona (ITS ALL YOUR FAULT) that you might/ARE to be loved back in spades.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

It's such a beautiful life when the self can interact and have fun with itself. It's your fault as well! lol

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: vethumanbeing

It's such a beautiful life when the self can interact and have fun with itself. It's 'fault as well! lol

Silky smooth love note to myself "I love you sometimes and I"m working on the in between moments of horrible doubts". Oh heck yes; do I ever have some fun with myself (the higher self ones existing in the 4th/5th) they have all the MONEY can create anything on a WHIM (I am jealous). However, here is the thing; I VOLUNTEERED FOR THE 3D. They did not. I was the courageous one ; so I'm sitting here in my self created conundrum trying to figure out God/its already known there, they are giving ME ADVICE from their perfect world. You have to have a sense of humor as I decided I wanted to learn everything FROM SCRATCH. It is a beautiful life when able to interact with oneself that lives in a higher frequency dimension (not so sure about THEIR SENSE of HUMOR) because I'm the one living out this particular "LIFE OF OURS AS THE REAL "TRUMAN SHOW" (and someone is going to pay the comedian standing on the 3D Stage in the end). No need reply; seems to sound like a rant as I re-read and respond (oh, this experience hurts) "YIKES".

originally posted by: thenaturalist
I FIND IT STRANGE THE CONCEPT THAT SCIENTIST HAVE ABOUT THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE.

THEY SAY THE UNIVERSE COULD BE A PROJECTION FROM THE FAR SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE OR BLACKHOLE ONTO A FLAT PLANE. ALL WE ARE IS INFORMATION IN OUR SMALLEST LEVELS.
TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN OLD FASHIONED CRT TV. THE CATHODE RAY TUBE PROJECTS THE IMAGE ONTO A FLAT PIECE OF GLASS AT THE FRONT.

ALSO WHEN THE UNIVERSE IS NOT BEING OBSERVED ITS WAVE FORM COLLAPSES INTO BEING ALL POSSIBILITIES, MAYBE THE BLANK PART OF THE TV SCREEN NOT HAVING INFORMATION PROJECTED ONTO IT. ONCE OBSERVED IT BECOMES SET MATTER INTO ONE POSSIBILITY WE SEE.

ALSO THE PHILOSOPHER PLATO HAS THE CAVE ANALOGY ABOUT HOW WE SEE ONLY A SHADOW OF THE TRUE REALITY OF TRUTH:
"Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to designate names to these shadows. The shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners." WIKIPEDIA.

THIS TOO SOUNDS LIKE A PROJECTION OR HOLOGRAM OR TV, ARE WE LIVING IN A TV OR COMPUTER WITH OUR REALITY PROJECTED ONTO A FLAT PLANE AND THE 3D WORLD AROUND US IS AN ILLUSION.

My daughter is in bed so finally some time as I have her on the weekend to participate in the thread. We all have to remember that if our reality is a simulation; then everything science does to observe objective reality is defined by the simulation. Meaning as they cut, prod and experiment on matter, the simulation is rendering the next set of information relative to scale at what the scientists are observing. They will never see what runs the simulation from within the simulation itself. Thus can science ever prove that we exist in a simulation through experimentation? Not likely, not in that way.

It would be like a character in World of Warcraft conducting research and experiments in that world, the end result would be a set of physics that describe what the physic in the game engine render as part of the game's rule-set. We are in a similar plight because testing for simulation within a simulation will only ever reveal what the simulation is programmed to reveal.

I have conducted many experiments on dreams in my life in an effort to understand what makes a dream tick. At face value in the dream, we can observe light, have a sense of physicality, eat food, drink water, smell flowers and everything in that dream reality can be simulated so perfectly that one would not expect that it was a dream at all. What I was able to uncover through my experimentation was that dreams are fundamentally based on how thought can be used to create sensory forms.

What I mean by that is actually very self-evident in the dreamstate itself. As you fall asleep you can start to think in images and sounds. If you progress into a lucid dream it will be apparent that your thoughts take on a whole new level of expressions that create the canvas of the dreamstate. While in dreams, while lucid I have stripped down the "bitmap" surface on objects to reveal a hypnagogic mesh. It is from these observations, and they go back to my early childhood and are linked to 2D hypnagogia that can occur when we meditate or fall asleep. There really is a type of meshing system and bitmap overlay taking place in a dream simulation. I see the mesh as a yellowish triangular lattice and I have seen this over and over again in my explorations of dreams. Again very visible in hypnagogic experiences.

So from all of that, I can conclude that light, atoms, matter in dreams are quite literally forms of thought which are programming the dreaming canvas to render out in a simulation of reality. Why this may also be the way our physical reality also stems from simulation and thought is linked directly to my exploration and experiments with precognitive dreaming. With out a doubt, I was able to change precognitive dream content and see those changes happen here. The same effect I have had on stripping the bitmap to see the triangular mesh is directly linked to how I created a triangle on someone's head that later happened in waking life. I was messing with the way the dream renders the bitmap on the mesh in the initial dream.

Why it rendered out and made the triangle appear in waking reality ties into the mechanics of precognition and it's relationship to waking reality. Thus, waking reality is another type of dream but at a much larger state of fidelity than our lesser dreams, but a type of dream none-the-less. It is conscious awareness that programs the datastream which the system renders as a simulation using thought.

Thought is creating reality in all of it's forms... dreams, physical et al.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: YouAreDreaming

I pose a second question to your own; Could dreams be a physical reality?

There is no difference between reality and dreams, only perception. You close your eyes and shut down your awareness therefore you perceive "I am asleep". You open your eyes and place your awareness on this reality and therefore perceive "I am awake". If one had no sight or hearing, how would one perceive the difference? The answer is they can't for there truly is no difference. It is all One. We are all One.

I think physicality emerges from the simulation of reality. It's the physics engine imposing constraints. Go out of body and pass through a wall and you will find that there is a no-clipping mode in the simulator. I agree with you, we are all one. And what we are really is amazing.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

[I]]YouAreDreaming[/iRobert is amazing, I really wish I could have met him or at least attended TMI when he was alive... bummer I missed out on that.

But you can visit him; go to/at the level '24'; ask for him by name.

I have had a few out-of-body experiences where I was talking to Robert, and they all took place at the Monroe Institute back in the 1990's. I've also checked out focus 27 and the park. Was it him for real, I don't know as I never met him to validate it. The physical meeting would have been a real gift.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

What if you are having a dream that lasts a lifetime?

That is exactly what you are experiencing; the test is to decipher through using self determinism/discernment as an individual (god expression) REALIZED what, who and why you are here (actually requested) to having the ultimate carnival ride of ones life.

I agree with you 100%. And what a ride we are all on.

a reply to: YouAreDreaming

It's moments like these that bring the utmost joy to the Creator, when aspects of himself have come to fully realize their divine connectedness and openly communicate that understanding to one another. Thank you for creating this thread my friend.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
a reply to: YouAreDreaming

It's moments like these that bring the utmost joy to the Creator, when aspects of himself have come to fully realize their divine connectedness and openly communicate that understanding to one another. Thank you for creating this thread my friend.

These are great things to talk about as they affect all of us at one degree or another. We are all in the same boat trying to figure out who and what we are in this complex maze of existence.

originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing]

[I[YouAreDreaming[/I] I have had a few out-of-body experiences where I was talking to Robert, and they all took place at the Monroe Institute back in the 1990's. I've also checked out focus 27 and the park. Was it him for real, I don't know as I never met him to validate it. The physical meeting would have been a real gift.

I find it interesting that are co-ordinances one retreats to after physical death; depending upon your sphere of experience (scientists go here, artists/cab drivers go there ETC..); sort of a resting place where you can get over your physical death and re-engage with people that shared the same common visions/experiences in the physical world (safety net to keep you in sanity as YOU WERE NOT ALONE ON THAT PATH of awareness). Its real there; its a test HERE (unreal, very limited circumstances and options; this is a virtual game you are playing you agreed to before incarnating TO LEARN ABOUT MANUVERING/MANIPULATING THE PHYSICAL LINEAR TIME WORLD); YOU FORGOT WHO YOU USED TO BE ON PURPOSE and relearn everything (well that is the point of the exercise).