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originally posted by: Stayawayjoe
a reply to: YouAreDreaming
Quite definitely it is not a dream. It is all a manifestation of YAHWEH'S projected Image. He made us in HIS IMAGE.
Look at the Earth; beautiful Blue Jewel teaming with Creation.
Look at Mars; barren red rock.
originally posted by: freedomSlave
I think dreams are where we come from and where we go I have thought that for a long time . When my dad was dying last year the last few days in the hospital he said he couldn't tell what was real his dreams or reality his dreams had become so powerful he couldn't distinguish the two .
There have been more than a few times where I had dreamed something and have it happen the next day .
I think it is a timeless place where past present and future are all happening at the same time. Where we can create our demons or create anything that we choose .
When I was younger I would wake in my dreams and realize it was a dream and do what ever I want (usually I would flying like a bird ) . I think the stress of life and and constant motion of everyday things I do in my day made me dream less and less. Shame I really miss flying like a bird
ETA What I think quantum mechanics is talking about is the dream realm being able for the user to control .This realm is a collapsed reality .
originally posted by: Aleister
Yes, according to Mr. Spock. Spock, who cannot tell a lie, sang the song "Row Row Row Your Boat" at the end of one of the Star Trek movies - although he had the chance to sing it earlier in the film and didn't. When he did sing it, with the line "Life is but a dream", he officially chimed in on this theory. So it must be true!
originally posted by: smithjustinb
I used to intentionally lucid dream.
In a lucid dream, you wake up within the dream. The amount of control you have over the dream is directly proportional to your wakefulness within the dream. Waking up within the dream happens instantly upon realizing that you are, in fact, dreaming.
Usually, while dreaming, we believe our dreams are real events happening to us. We believe that we are subject to external forces within the dream and we believe the storyline of the dream. When we realize that none of that is real; when we realize that its all in our heads; when we realize that we aren't subject to the story line; when we realize the characters in the dream are in our own head; when we realize its just a dream; we wake up. The degree to which you are simultaneously aware of these things within the dream determines your power and your lucidity in a lucid dream.
You think you are alive now. The dream character thought he was alive until you showed him what being alive was.
In the dream, consciousness came from outside of the universe and showed the dream character that its reality could be more than it conceived as possible.
originally posted by: anonentity
originally posted by: iosolomon
a reply to: YouAreDreaming
I've made the same claim (or similar). If there is an after-life, then Life is just one big dream. I found it funny that you dropped some Aristotle, but you didn't drop any Plato. Plato came to the same conclusion as this, but using different words, when he discussed the Being and the Becoming. Cool read though.
It is most depressing. I am dreaming. All this around me, I will realize was just a dream. I say that life is more like a lucid dream.
Reality as observed is far to dangerous to be messed with, their are exploding stars and Black holes out there. The observer would have to agree that a state of non being after being isn't an option. The Observation would have to take place from a very safe vantage point ,or the information would be no longer obtainable,but to render the experience real enough to have an effect in fact a hundred per cent immersion, would be required. I suggest that's what we have, not one atom in my body is the same as when I was young, so is my juvenile self dead? well that body isn't there anymore. If it is dead I have to be dead. Am I a Bio gram illusion? if all the atoms that were me have been replaced was I there in the first place? or do I just think I was to maintain myself in a coherent illusion, to escape the chaos.
If enough people report, who have never met each other, that they have briefly during some trauma observed their body being worked on by medical professionals, with an observation point outside their body, and if some who the medical pros, maintain that to all intense and purposes, that they were dead at the time, but could repeat verbatim what the medical pros. were saying I have to believe that on probability, this safe state exists.
Many people in this safe state obviously go with their personal paradigm, like meeting Jesus God or angels, (sounds like personal dreamland ) Other than this, its very hard to ascertain what comes next ,but could very well be another state based primarily on consciousness with something like the same rules as this reality. The rules being what promotes a coherent reality to be observed from what would otherwise be a chaotic environment containing information overload. I read that a dying 18 year old male in the back of an ambulance, kept drifting in and out of consciousness, when asked by the medic where he was, he said a party where the booty was the best. He was DOA.
originally posted by: Phantom423
We cannot prove that we exist - so dreams may not exist either. We may be figments of someone's imagination and have no reality at all. But we can't prove it either way.
originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
Used too... what happened? Do you not have any interest in it today?
originally posted by: smithjustinb
originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
Used too... what happened? Do you not have any interest in it today?
An intentional lucid dream is pretty hard to have. The first one I had took at least a week's worth of constant preparation. There are a lot of times I go to bed wishing that I could just have one, but it takes a lot more work and dedication to the methods than that.
originally posted by: freedomSlave
I like your rendering analogy makes sense never really thought of it like that .
I have reoccurring dreams where I have observed different times or centuries in different dreams like a book being played out but the pages are all out of order. Also reoccurring dreams of completely different places with different times different places different lives . Sometimes the dreams pick up where it left off over years or months spans since the last reoccurring dream .
I have died once in my dream and had an out of body experience . I have falling off mountain cliffs and hit the ground and got back up and ran back to the cliff and did it again because it was fun . I have heard people say that dying in your dream is dying in real life or that people wake up and never hit the ground after falling from great heights or how dreaming of people you never met and places you never been to is impossible .
I wonder if it possible or has happened that people from great distances have meet in a dream ?.
I have met my wife once in a dream and we recalled it the next day .
I wonder why more people don't experience dreams like we do . lucid dreams do take effort and work and preparation and mind set as a poster recent mentioned it all the same steps I used and did to produce those dreams . But sometimes they do just happen very very rarely .
I wonder sometimes to if the hologram universe idea is also describing the dream world . It like how e=mc2 at what point does the projection become the reality . waking and dreams are two of the same things just a different state like energy and matter .
originally posted by: Bluesma
I consider it possible that life is a dream, mostly because the lines between the dream world (as we habitually understand that to be) and this one are blurred for me.
I am currently in a period of lucid dreaming again. This happens from time to time, and I am not sure exactly what sets it off. But last night, for example, I was very conscious of the fact that I was dreaming, and being very careful not to "control" it too much. This is the point which is relevant here....
Many years ago, as I was developing my skills in lucid dreaming more and more (again, I do not know why this process happened), I got to where I could control everything in my dreams. I could create any scenario, any character, any event, that I wished to experience, very vividly. One time I was doing so, and realized that I found it boring to be able to control it all! The characters were all like puppets for me, and I missed being surprised, having the unexpected reveal itself to me- having parts of myself I was not aware of unfold in the form of "other".
I began to make an effort to let go and let things unfold of their own accord. I can almost feel a subtle process of willingly letting parts of my consciousness sink into darkness, like playing hide and seek with myself, so that they can emerge spontaneously later.
I can tweak details here and there if I want, but I like the impression that the others are really "other" than parts of my own psyche.
It is like this delicate touch of will, hard to explain.
But my point is-
That made me aware WHY we might be here, experiencing being powerless over our lives and events!
By choice. Because it is more fun that way.
This could be a dream within a dream, within a dream. I have woken from a dream, only to find I am still, in a dream.... and then woken from that to find...I'm still not awake.
But perhaps there are only "levels" of wakefulness, like a continuum, in which time slows down in term of creation from thought to experience, instead of a black and white separation.
My dreams seem very real indeed, and the only real difference is my awareness of my creative ability.
originally posted by: YouAreDreaming
originally posted by: EmptyStations
The tale of two domains or dreams.
One is a collective dream the other is a private dream. One is physical. seemingly, only because it obeys strict mathematical(mental) laws. The other all laws break down to 0 or infinity mental without laws. Well to say both are mental is correct and different sides of the coin. One domain is 1+1 the other is 2. The both mean the same thing but in a different way. One is dimensional the other is dimensionless.
I often look at it from a perspective of virualism along the lines of what physicist Tom Campbell writes about with regards to the double-slit experiment and wave-function collapse that this reality is rendering particles collapsing from probability distributions. At the quantum state, matter is in a state of superposition and not a physical phenomena... it's just information that needs to render when that information is being accessed (observed) so thus sub-atomic particles, atoms, molecules are all simply data that is being processed by a universal super-computer rendering under a strict rule-set to behave in such a way that this reality system emerges as a final product of information processing.
This video does a fine job explaining that point-of-view.
When we are in a dream during sleep the same principles of "final product" rendering is taking place as dreams can convey a state of simulated physicality because we are able to use thought to program the 3d dream environment and impose our own rule-set (at the unconscious level). When we are lucid we can have direct control over the way our thoughts render the dream content.
If you have ever had an out-of-body experience and pass through a door or a wall, it's very much like no-clipping mode in a 3D video game where characters in this cheat mode can move through the constraints that the collision detection used to impose on the rule-set of the game.
I like the virtual simulation model for both dreams and reality as we can reduce both back to information and the way that information presents itself as a result of information processing.
I do believe reality does pre-processing between each chronological frame of reality much like a computer builds up a frame of animation and flips the frame to the next sequence providing a refresh-rate.
Dreams and reality both have a refresh rate thus they are animations and time merely is the change between refresh rates. If we are able to produce a vivid content rich dream experience during sleep that can be as real, and even more real in apperance to our physical counterpart... how do we really know that we haven't already evolved a conscious technology collectively which does this at the scale of a Universe?
One dreamer can produce an entire Universe in a night sleep and collapse that Universe when they wake up.
Another way that I look at the human body and mind is similar to the body as an interface or avatar in the simulation, and the mind as the computer that does all the required information processing to render out our experience of reality based on sensory information.
In dreams, we also virtualize our body and simlate the senses producing eyes, ears and et all the senses but unlike our physical state we are also producing the dream content which then provides the feed back to stimulate our virtual dream senses and the mind still compiles that data and renders out a dream experience.
Very fascinating. The big eye opener for me was in some lucid dreams the dream content was precognitive so I have had lucid dreams come true and even changed the content of the lucid dream only to have those changes occur when the dream came true in the physical world. That is what locked in my understanding that regardless of how this works, there is a clear definitive relationship between "some" dreams (the precognitive ones) and our waking world.
Gotta love it.
The 21st century is predicted to be the Century of Biology, a shift from the previous century dominated by physics. It seems fitting, then, to begin the century by turning the universe outside-in and unifying the foundations of science, not with imaginary strings that occupy equally imaginary unseen dimensions, but with a much simpler idea that is rife with so many shocking new perspectives that we are unlikely ever to see reality the same way again.
In the past few decades, major puzzles of mainstream science have forced a re-evaluation of the nature of the universe that goes far beyond anything we could have imagined. A more accurate understanding of the world requires that we consider it biologically centered. It’s a simple but amazing concept that Biocentrism attempts to clarify: Life creates the universe, instead of the other way around. Understanding this more fully yields answers to several long-held puzzles. This new model — combining physics and biology instead of keeping them separate, and putting observers firmly into the equation — is called biocentrism. Its necessity is driven in part by the ongoing attempts to create an overarching view, a theory of everything. Such efforts have now stretched for decades, without much success except as a way of financially facilitating the careers of theoreticians and graduate students.
Could the long-sought Theory of Everything be merely missing a component that was too close for us to have noticed? Some of the thrill that came with the announcement that the human genome had been mapped or the idea that we are close to understanding the “Big Bang” rests in our innate human desire for completeness and totality. But most of these comprehensive theories fail to take into account one crucial factor: We are creating them. It is the biological creature that fashions the stories, that makes the observations, and that gives names to things. And therein lies the great expanse of our oversight, that science has not confronted the one thing that is at once most familiar and most mysterious — consciousness. As Emerson wrote in “Experience,” an essay that confronted the facile positivism of his age: “We have learned that we do not see directly, but mediately, and that we have no means of correcting these colored and distorting lenses which we are, or of computing the amount of their errors. Perhaps these subject-lenses have a creative power; perhaps there are no objects.”
originally posted by: RadiatorOfTheLight
VERY well phrased and put together! This helped make something click in my understanding a lot more deeper into the roots of the mind, lol! So thank u.... Understanding reality slowly but surely...
originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
If biocentrism is correct.
Life is a dream in a very real sense.
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originally posted by: john666
Physical Reality is not a Dream.
What the Dream World is, is some kind of "boundary world", between the Physical world, and the astral world.
The idea that the "Physical Reality is Dream", is a disinformation, conceived and put in the world by PTB, to screw up your minds, so you will not be able to fight back against them, when they attack you.
originally posted by: EmptyStations
a reply to: YouAreDreaming
For me double slit experiment to me shows how mind works in a 2 domain universe. Fourier Frequency domain/Dimensionless and Fourier spacetime domain/Dimensional. I wouldn't quite say the universe is a super computer but organic mental mathematical and defined by sine and cosine waves. The real binary is sine 0 and cosine 1. We are all subjective points in dimensionless domain experiencing through our bodies a dimensional domain. The dimensional domain is used like a tool to build information in a feedback loop between the domains. The dreamworld is the primary world that's infinite and nothing at once but the collective dream world physical reality used to slowly unfurl that infinite potential finite step by finite step.
"So, what happens with the famous double slit experiment of quantum mechanics? Why is an interference effect produced when the experimental equipment processes one particle at a time? Does the particle somehow go through both slits? Of course it doesn’t. The particle’s “mind” exists in the Fourier transform domain and consists of an infinite superposition of possible paths the particle might take. It is this superposition that constitutes the origin of the characteristic wave pattern we see experimentally. Each time the experiment is repeated with a different particle, the “mind” of each different particle generates a similar but slightly different superposition of possible paths. Each particle takes a marginally different route through the apparatus, and it will be based on a wavelike (pilot wave) rather than particle-like guidance system. Across hundreds of thousands of particles, we will obtain a classic wave interference pattern. When properly understood, the double slit experiment is proof of the existence of mind and actually reveals how our own minds work. " -Mike Hockney The God Equation