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originally posted by: deadeyedick
Again i will thank you all to vent your demons elsewhere. I have learned much here and the belittling of others has not much basis here.
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing Are you saying paul was a demon? So far it seems kinda split down the middle on the subject. I'm thinking he had a job to do after his meeting with Jesus and took it very serious.
[I]deadeyedick[/I] I think that what he had to do was for the benefit of GOD'S incarnation into this place but detremental to salvation of all.
[I]deadeyedick[/I] It may be that without paul we would all be more accepting of manlove. However i also know that without paul there would be no spiritual gain in the subject. No true christian wants to hear someone say that jesus may have found some magic in the backdoor and just the thought sounds like satan. It seems to come down to sex and suffering and without paul there would be no suffering and no growth. There is an amount to everything and we are not meant to screw ourselves to death. there is much benefit to refraining from sex but most have not the power to find out. GOD was very ashamed that the curses in the ot were put on his creation but what is he to do just erease it all and start over? He used paul to try and put some of what was originally intended for us to be back into the system and that meant certain people had to suffer more but get to grow more. Over all my view is to give it away now but keep it indoors and unseen but apparently that is too much to ask for.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing Anything is possibly with GOD. Can you show me where any of the curses in the bible were broken or fulfilled? The way i see it they were handed down to us through the bloodlines. I get visions and have met Jesus. Perhaps you may find me crazy but it is from this that i draw my knowledge from. btw usa is an obamanation lol
originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Sremmos80 well many do not adhere to either but still find cause to disagree with the teachings of paul. So yes i meant christians but it seems that many have knowledge of the subject so i'm just trying to get all the angles.
originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Sremmos80 well many do not adhere to either but still find cause to disagree with the teachings of paul. So yes i meant christians but it seems that many have knowledge of the subject so i'm just trying to get all the angles.
Has anyone ever thought how Saul the Pharisee, persecutor of the christian faith all of a sudden becomes "Apostle Paul" follower of the christian faith?
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
The church is the word ecclesia in Greek.
Etymonline source
church (n.)
Old English cirice, circe "church, public place of worship; Christians collectively," from Proto-Germanic *kirika (cognates: Old Saxon kirika, Old Norse kirkja, Old Frisian zerke, Middle Dutch kerke, Dutch kerk, Old High German kirihha, German Kirche), probably [see note in OED] from Greek kyriake (oikia), kyriakon doma "Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord," from PIE root *keue- "to swell" ("swollen," hence "strong, powerful"); see cumulus. Phonetic spelling from c.1200, established by 16c. For vowel evolution, see bury. As an adjective from 1570s.
Greek kyriakon (adj.) "of the Lord" was used of houses of Christian worship since c.300, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilike. An example of the direct Greek-to-Germanic progress of many Christian words, via the Goths; it probably was used by West Germanic people in their pre-Christian period.
Text Has anyone ever thought how Saul the Pharisee, persecutor of the christian faith all of a sudden becomes "Apostle Paul" follower of the christian faith?
No one ever called Paul an apostle. Paul himself calls himself an apostle! Its in the bible. Paul never met Jesus (his story concerning his travel to Damascus is all we have concerning Saul's conversion to Christianity)
Text The other were hand picked and none of them were openly against Christ or his teachings like Paul was.
originally posted by: Seede
To denigrate Paul would be to also denigrate Luke and Peter.
But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison. ~ Acts 8:3
"For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it" ~ Galatians 1:13-17
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. ~ 1 Corinthians 15:9
…"But it happened that as I was on my way, approaching Damascus about noontime, a very bright light suddenly flashed from heaven all around me, and I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?' "And I answered, 'Who are You, Lord?' And He said to me, 'I am Jesus the Nazarene, whom you are persecuting.'… ~ Acts 22:7
Jews don’t like the apostle Paul. Jesus they can live with; he was a good-hearted rebbe whose words were twisted to say things he didn’t mean. But Paul was the twister, and can’t be forgiven. “Jesus, yes; Paul, never!” as one Jewish biographer of Paul puts it. As a zealous convert who equated the Torah with death, Paul is deemed the father of anti-Judaism (the theological critique of Judaism as a religion), the grandfather of anti-Semitism (the hatred of Jews as people), and the inventor of the theology of the Cross (an excuse for many massacres of Jews). Was Paul a Jew?
"Please be aware of the anti-Paul movement, it was set up by the foe (today's Edomites) to fordo (destroy) the Israel Insight.
This movement twists what Paul says in order to make him look like a huckster but who are the hucksters in this world? The Jewish Encyclopedia and other Jewish writings makes makes it clear that one of the greatest of the foes for Judaism is Paul. The jews spew hatred upon Paul.
“Needless to say, observant Jews objected to Paul, ... whom they saw as the worst kind of heretic. Indeed, because of Jewish complaints against him, Paul was arrested by the Roman authorities, held for a time under house arrest, and finally executed in or around 67 CE (the year of the start of the Great Revolt against Rome in Israel.)” ~ Rabbi Ken Spiro
• To be Anti-Paul is to tear the living heart out of the New Testament.
• To be Anti Paul opens up a Pandora’s Box among people as to what is inspired in the Bible and what is not. The Canon is a sacred Ark, man’s unsanctified hands are not to touch it. Will this foolishness never end? QUESTIONING GOD’S WORD DENOTES UNBELIEF!
• To be Anti-Paul lays that person open to the full force of Rationalism, Modernism, and “doubt” far worse than any NEO-ORTHODOXY ever dreamed of!
• To be Anti-Paul is an outright denial of the Providence of God in settling and arranging the Canon of Scripture as we know it. Of this Scripture the God of Israel is most jealous! The whole question is: MAN’S MOUTH versus GOD’S WORD!
The Anti-Paul Movement is Jewish
I believe that the first few posters to this thread are named paul too and was wondering who was hatin on them.
originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
**wait**
Somone hates my Uncle Paul?!?? NAAAAW, say it ain't so!
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
Bollocks.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools ~ Romans 1:22