US Charges China with Hacking

I wouldn't be surprised if some of it was due to "security by obscurity" and doing stuff like leaving the door wide open for subcontractors when it comes to access of company networks. A lot of U.S. companies do stuff that makes it relatively easy to compromise them if you know what to look for or have the time to browse through all the stuff they (don't) secure in an inproper manner.

Chinese might have a counter-argument there. Particularly if you can get to "restricted" things by using a web crawler or looking for things in publicly exposed source code of a website.

At least they've been caught at it. But some of the stuff that constitutes a hack by law is considered pretty weak by those that know how computers and networks work.

The Chinese have been hacking for years. A couple years ago there was a story about how huge amounts of data from the US were going through Chinese servers.
It was back in 2010. Here's the story

www.washingtontimes.com...

The redirection, though brief, could have enabled “surveillance of specific users or sites [and] … could even allow a diversion of data to somewhere that the user did not intend,” the report states.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: neo96

The answer is that American companies moved their industrial base there, the Chinese have no regulation or restrictions and are happy to pollute as much as possible, they have a huge workforce, and they steal whatever tech they want rather than spend the time and money to develop it.

Both of you are right. And then there's the technology that Clinton gave to the Chinese. In my view, his escapades with a girl in a blue dress are nothing compared to the damage he did to the security of the US. But it was the only way anyone could punish him for what he really did.
Why does the current President get away with so much more than Clinton though?

Hey listen guys,

The SEC (securities exchange commission) has to make sure that there isn't insider trading - how can they do this if the communications in foreign countries of the branches of the same US institutions are not being watched?

Gas price gouging anyone?

etc....

It is quite easy to call the local neighbourhood gas station if one has enough calling cards - you simply route your call through exchanges in China back in to the local neighbourhood and no one will be any wiser.

originally posted by: MysterX
Of course they are doing it back and forth, always have been.

Anyway, what are the US Government going to do? Drag the Chinese Government to the ICC?

It's all pointless bluster.

If the US doesn't like the Chinese hacking their systems...design more secure systems.

There is a limit to how secure you can make your systems.

The Internet was not designed for secrecy. It is a store and forward network where information can be tapped rather easily.

The USA engages in widespread listening - on Internet as well as other communication media.

Hacking is typically sending viruses or bringing down opponents information systems. This activity is more malicious than listening. But at the same time, China can only do hacking as it does not have control over Internet backbone.

The Chinese are an electronics powerhouse now. They know the technology well. They will design their systems shielding it from US snooping as well as they will find ways to extract information from opponents' systems. This has to happen.

The indictment of a few Chinese is just symbolic and does not have any real impact.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That wasn't corporate espionage either, western intel agencies continuing to spy in such a manner for military and political purposes, not industrial.

Even so, that would also cost millions of jobs as well.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
This was just late breaking news on the TV. Apparently the US is charging Chinese with hacking, and it seems unclear from the TV news but it seems as though they are calling it State sponsored .. so saying China is actively involved and behind it.

This is scary, but it's about time this happened.

ETA: I checked for a news story to link to read and could not find one. I believe it is Good Morning America on TV.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. We're hacking everyone in the world, and we have the nerve to complain when someone else does it to us LOLLOLOLOL. China should tell us to kiss their a$$.

Wow look in the mirror us u do it to