Where will Disclosure Come From?

a reply to: Rob48

the thing about the people building the more recent things is that it's not even close to the magnitude of component scale as the GP. Things may be more elaborate but on a much smaller scale of individual components. In other words more like what ants are able to do one small piece at a time. THAT I can fathom is the way more technologically primitive people make things not by cutting gigantic pieces of very hard stone, moving, shaping and installing perfectly in place. Imagine one or two degrees off after installing a million blocks and how are you going to correct that without starting over? And way back when people were thought to have just recently come out of caves. So THAT must've been what they were doing in there- besides painting on the walls they were developing engineering and architecture! right that makes sense

a reply to: Blue Shift

they just LOVE people like you. Head bowed, standing in line, no questions asked. Very herdlike.

a reply to: AlienView

maybe people are unbalanced because we're not living in an honest reality? Maybe they realize deep down that it's all a charade and have trouble staying in character as good citizens who trust their leaders. Living a lie can lead to self-destructive behavior.

disclosure will not happen before 2017..


they only do it when the public pressure is big enough ... and its not.

a reply to: deloprator20000

that's why I say it's an individual thing- disclosure. You should only believe in what becomes real to you through direct experience. The problem is that this subject jumps off the 2d map and into the realm of the irrational (in our terms) and is exacerbated by the lies we've been fed. It's like your dog trying to figure out why you sit in front of that computer- it's in a whole completely different paradigm of understanding or need to understand or ability to understand. I can accept the reality of disclosure better than being lied to and treated like a child. If we had had "official" government disclosure back in the 50's we would be past all the supposed "panic" nonsense already and be heading in a completely different path. I think we need to jump tracks and accept the inevitable and grow the f up.

a reply to: kauskau

you say that like they've done it before.

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ArtemisE

no it's more like I can't trust a government that has completely lied about the subject and destroyed peoples' lives in keeping it secret.

How has not telling people there are aliens living among us (which there aren't) "destroyed people's lives"?

If the aliens were here they would be here regardless of whether the government of any one country out of the 220-odd on the planet chose to say so.

I've noticed a very parochial (or perhaps just arrogant) view among the American members of this forum: they seem to think that the US government somehow controls what goes on everywhere on planet Earth.

Disclosure already happened; even science starts to accept the phenomenon as something real.

People often do not realize how difficult it is to gather reliable data on such sporadic phenomena.
Many governments did have departments that collected data on UFO’s. Some still do. Most of this data is made available to the public. The rest is all over the internet, together with the many, many hoaxes.
Just study it and you’ll come to the same conclusion as many governments have: The phenomenon seems to be real but getting reliable data is hard.

So why would any government step into this debate? Why assume they have more or more reliable data? Why assume the subject is any less controversial among government employees?

a reply to: bottleslingguy

no government in this world is more powerful than its people....
but you seem to be in the illusion as if they are. And thats how many people think.
Thats why we are not ready..

originally posted by: kauskau
a reply to: bottleslingguy

no government in this world is more powerful than its people....
but you seem to be in the illusion as if they are. And thats how many people think.
Thats why we are not ready..

Most people are too busy making a living, getting their kids educated, watching tv, going to the sports event...to be concerned with reality or with whether ufos are real; Apathy and distraction from real things creates a kind of inertia in people. Only a small number of people are aware of what is really going on. And when people try to escape the prison of ignorance they are usually led into another part of the prison. This happened in the hippy movement. People realised that the big society was wrong and they were told to drop out and take drugs. They ended up more imprisoned than anybody else.

There is going to be a crisis and people will have to find a way through. It is at this point that the aliens may come forward with 'help' but is this help just a door into another part of the prison?

originally posted by: Guest101
So why would any government step into this debate? Why assume they have more or more reliable data? Why assume the subject is any less controversial among government employees?

They will only step in when the situation reaches critical mass...

I don't think it will come from a government or NASA or a media source. IF disclosure happens I can see some sort of landing from a UFO or something.
The governments of this world don't need to reveal anything. If they did it's most likely going to end their leadership. Disclosure would bring huge changes to this world. Some good, some bad.

originally posted by: EnPassant
a reply to: Uggielicious

It IS presumptuous for the following reasons.

The reality of UFOs is uncontested except by a few hard-line skeptics but, on the other hand, being a skeptic is natural where being a believer is the result of mind-conditioning.

It is not mind conditioning. It is an assessment of the evidence.Consider the quote, given above-

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
—Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, 1960.

I am not an authority on anything but I do know, as an ex-hypnotist, that anytime that anyone says "I believe..." they are not speaking from experience since experience nullifies a belief, and that they do not need evidence to convince them. The case of Travis Walton is an example of the belief system at work. No evidence was produced, just hearsay, but you have a hell of a lot of believers who took his hearsay and made it real in their minds; they believed his tall tale and made him a rich man along with the notoriety. The Hill case is the same. I cannot quote a case that can be accepted as based on truth, since there are always details that lead one to not accept any of the alleged cases as really happening.

Dont forget the history channel. In addition , it will clearly be disclosed via a documentary without any prior knowledge to anyone.

If Disclosure is going to happen. It might come at the hands of a whistleblower like Julian Assange, Gary MacKinnon and Snowden. Whoever the whistleblower is, he or she better have irrefutable evidence of the cover-up. And remain in the public eye to avoid being murdered. If one goes into hiding, the Gov't will find them. The Gov't ain't going to come out and say anything about the disclosure.

a reply to: Uggielicious

there are sophisticated ways of analysing witness testimony. These methods form a large part of our judicial system. The evidence has been gone over many times on this forum and it is sufficient to establish the fact that these are not "tall tales".

a reply to: kauskau

I don't know how you came up with that because I don't believe govts are more powerful than their people.

a reply to: Rob48

oh you know things like intimidation and throwing people out ten story windows, things like that have ruined peoples' lives. I consider the US the leader in promulgating ufo disinformation, if that is arrogant then I guess I am. you should take that chip off your shoulder

a reply to: bottleslingguy

so why do you tell me than : " you say that like they've done it before. "

Of course they disclose when the public pressure is high enough..

a reply to: Guest101

Very nice assesment.

This is why Mi-labs are done and why legitimate abductees which are not really difficul to discern are monitored 24/7/365,implanted and tracked and generally used as tools to gain intel.

The Government is like a Blind Dinosaur.Just like any large corporation in todays new cyber-world.

The BEST PEOPLE for ANY job have NOT been recruited in Humanitys recent history,a fiscally based education system was used to harvest fiscal power from us all and Education was used as a commoddity,only the wealthy could pay so only they could learn,only if you got a degree and PAID for it could you go rape more money from society than you or your degree are worth.

This meant that the BEST people were NEVER put into the right positions.

This applies to Government,Industry,education,mediciane,science,all of it,Humanity as an entity has been hobbled and its Achiles Tendon has been cut so we COULD NOT OPTIMISE OUR POTENTIALS.

The Government has no more ability to find the truth than anyone else does,and with thr advent of the internet everyone has equal access to data.Many times the Standing Government was screwed by Industry over the years and could not comptete with private money at gathering and understanding data and intel.

This is just one phase of the illness Humaity is dealing with,YES there is a clear dividing point between what we can call TRUE GOVERNMENT or at least a somewhat honest one,this dividing point happens EXACTLY when the Governments first learned about UFOs officially,and grows from there,it was a battle between the American Navy and other Depts. of its Military,one of those Depts. was leaking data and was controlled by Non-Government influences.

That one Miliary Dept catalysed the ENTIRE COVER-UP in America ,and this history cannot be erased.We can watch videos and news coverage from the 3os and we can see that there was TRUTH and that the right questions were being asked at the beginning,then we can see the guilty influences seeping in one small influence at a time,one little engagement at a time,until this one Military Dept gained full and compete control,there has had to have been a long running and continued effort from within the other Military Depts to bring this to all Depts and to the public.


We can read books and published articles which were put into the public domain,BEFORE TPTB fully understood what it was they were dealing with,what it was they had to suppress,they DID NOT KNOW what was critical and what wasnt because they were working in the dark.

This is how we find and identify the people who committed Crimes Against Humanity,we look for the books and articles and media reports ect ect that WERE IN FACT RELEVANT but were in fact intentionally suppressed,then we backtrack WHO was behind the suppression,we find commonalitys and follow the moeny and influence

When we look back on the history of the Humanitarian Crusade for Truth that is INEVITABLE.
we will see that there was only ONE place where the deciet and the lies began,the suppression started somewhere and due to the compartamentalisation that has and still does exist within Government and Military structures and actually within the flow and movement of money and influence we CAN EASILY FIND AND IDENTIFY THESE PEOPLE,the EXACT people and times and decisions,and NOTHING CAN STOP THIS......Unless we lose the internet,because there has been an organised effort to cease publishing millions of books in hard copy and the internet now holds most of our data,if we voluntarily give up our books we do what could not be done even during the Dark Ages,we LEAD OURSELVES into another dark Ages by willingly helping to destroy our books and by not paying attention while TPTB which control ALL publishing STOP re=printing them.



I agree that as you state the Governments are not neccesarily as "in the loop" as we all assume,BUT ONLY if you consider the Government to be one whole intact entity,which it IS NOT.

We must face the reality that it was ONE SPECIFIC autonomously acting Dept of the Military working within the Government that began and has maintained the suppression actively suppressing data from other areas of that same Government,over time other arms of the Government and Military were slowly and tacticlly indoctrinated and also incriminated themselves,however this can all be reverse-extrapolated right back to square one,down to the names of the first men who made the decisions to suppress data.

There never was a rock big enough for this group to hide behind and once private Industry and Money became involved then thins steam-rolled out of control.

Today the best bet is for the original Military Group to step forward and tell the truth ,this is the only way we can fix things,the only way we can defeat the Industrial Money Mongers,they have to much control and no one can seem to break their hold.

The only way to seperate the truth from the money and influence being used to hide it is to OUT THE INDUSTRIALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE FELL SNOWDEN TYPE SWOOP.

There has always and always will be room for ONE GOOD MAN OR WOMAN from within the ORIGINAL DEPT OF THE MILITARY WHO ENABLED THIS DYNAMIC to step forward and settle this long running destruction of a Country,this issue lead to JFKs Coup de tat and has destroyed America from within,the only way she could be attacked successfully.

Just one good MAN or WOMAN,and a list of names and dates,and all of this would be resolvedf online by Humanity in weeks not years.

It is NOT to late to change things,it may be nearing the Midnight hour,but the clock had not struck 12 o'clock quite yet.