Where will Disclosure Come From?

a reply to: ArtemisE

In my view, discovery of extraterrestrial life, if it comes, is pretty unlikely to be an intrinsically dramatic event in itself (even though the implications would of course be extremely dramatic).

If we discover it in the solar system then it's likely to be a probe detecting single-celled organisms or other simple life forms, maybe on Europa (I'd love to see a probe dip into that ocean!)

If we discover it in a different star system it may be down to spectroscopic evidence which would be a good marker but not outright proof.

Or the more exciting possibility is a Contact-style radio signal being received.

Visitation by actual extraterrestrials... well let's hope that doesn't ever happen, because a species advanced enough to get here through interstellar space is unlikely to have much empathy for a primitive life form like us! Unless it is so advanced that it has reached a zen-like non-violent benevolent 2001-style state...


I think we are far from being alone in the universe, but I also think the distances and probabilities involved make it quite likely that intelligent life will never encounter other intelligent life.

Ask yourselves why everything important to Humanity has been coded into parables,in Art,Music,Literature,math,you name it the same system was used,now using parables does not "hide" anything from a Humans inquiring mind,obviously because we all find these things easily when we are looking,so WHO WERE WE ALL HIDING THE MOST IMPORTANT DATA IN HUMANITYS HISTORY FROM?

Any Abductee can tell you if they are experienced that other races have a hard time understanding parables,because they do not incorporate the same emotional components into their thinking,nothing is hidden and everything can be accessed telepathiclly for them normally they do not expend energy trying to find 6 billion individual ways to quantify one simple idea or thought,if someone is trying to read your mind but you think in parables or pig latin and they do not know the master code then they are screwed.if you cannot think in parables they will simply read your mind and know your intentions 100%.Originally WE all could use telepathy and the loss of this ability is what has driven Humanity into darkness,and to add to that it was an act of aggression against us to remove this ability artificially.I am sure that the genetic reality we now experience can be reversed and I am sure tha data needed is already online somewhere.DNA is like everything else in nature,it has a seamless yet sensical and sequential natural pattern to it,so were one to simply learn a little about it and look for the pattern breaks that limit our lifespans and our ability to use telepathy then we could EASILY repair the damages done to us all.Just like you can access technology by using historical data there is also historical data regarding DNA and genetics.

It is all a matter of pattern recognition,every human who has provided us with critical data has used this same technique because everything we do is a simple replication of an already existing NATURAL process.When you suppress knowledge you break our ability to recognise patterns,you divide and conquor,if you cannot lie you cannot divide and conquor.If any rational human has access to all the data they will recognise the patterns.


I didnt list the few names I did earlier for nothing,if you read David Hamels work for instance,you cannot help but identify the patterns he has used to come to his conclusions and when you can dial in to the patterns everything makes seamless and natural sense.If you read Victor Grebennikovs or Searls work the same pattern dynamic applies as you follow his reasoning.It is the same with ALL the truth tellers,their storys all adhere to NATURAL PATTERNS which CANNOT be denied.These people all found the path of least resistance which is NATURES way,ANY other way is a fraud and intentionally undertaken,because patterns are so easy for humans to recognise,the "mistakes" we see are virtually impossible to have naturally.

I like to use Edison and Tesla to illlustrate this,any grade 5 kid today could look at the basics of both mens work and see which one is the better of the two,and back then EVERYONE INVOLVED knew that teslas work was the better and progressive work,but that dynamic was artificially hindered for fiscal gain,a crime against Humanity.There is no fluke involved when the path of MOST RESISTANCE IS CHOSEN INTENTIONALLY,because it is the least natural and least likely one to rise to the forefront.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
What will be the first main stream organization to release proof of alien visitation or proof of intelligent life on another planet?



The main possibilities I can think of are......



1. US government

2. Russia

3. European countries

4. Some other major country

5. Vatican

6. Muslims

7. SETI

8. NASA

9. Civilian science community

10. The aliens land or send a " radio" signal revealing themselves.



Wish I could have made a poll for this.... Feel free to steal the idea mods.

I'd bet a fortune on it being 7-10 (the second part of #10, not the first)

Its really only a matter of time as our scientific instruments get ever more sensitive. Conclusive evidence of real extraterrestrial aliens will not come from any political or religious institution. That's really not their domain though they do employ people in category numbers 7-9.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: ArtemisE

In my view, discovery of extraterrestrial life, if it comes, is pretty unlikely to be a dramatic event in itself (even though the implications will of course be extremely important).

If we discover it in the solar system then it's likely to be a probe detecting single-celled organisms or other simple life forms, maybe on Europa (I'd love to see a probe dip into that ocean!)

If we discover it in a different star system it may be down to spectroscopic evidence which would be a good marker but not outright proof.

Or the more exciting possibility is a Contact-style radio signal being received.

I see it more of an escalation of events over years.

#1 might be detecting biosignatures through spectroscopic evidence with something like the James Webb Space Telescope or a large ground based telescope like the European Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT).....



which would lead to larger and more sensitive instruments to look at and listen to the world(s) they were detected on.

Which might lead something like the Colossus Telescope being built.....




which might lead to...

#2 The detection of waste heat and/or artificial lighting on a planet's surface, indicating a civilization with technology.

Which might lead to something like Project Cyclops being built



which could lead to.....

#3 The possible detection of radio or other artificially produced electromagnetic signals (optical or infrared communication, etc) from that world.

which could lead to something like Project Longshot being built to visit the star system with a robotic probe.


In other words a cascading effect due to advances in technology.

I outlined a likely scenario in this old post here on ATS: Astronomers Detect First 'Clear Signs of Civilization' Beyond Earth - How will you react?

originally posted by: ArtemisE
What will be the first main stream organization to release proof of alien visitation or proof of intelligent life on another planet?



The main possibilities I can think of are......


1. US government

2. Russia

3. European countries

4. Some other major country

5. Vatican

6. Muslims

7. SETI

8. NASA

9. Civilian science community

10. The aliens land or send a " radio" signal revealing themselves.


Wish I could have made a poll for this.... Feel free to steal the idea mods.

While I think that this is a silly thread 'cause it's based on an unanswerable premise, before there can be any disclosure of knowledge associated with aliens originating outside of earth evidence has to be produced for their reality. No one has any evidence but the believers are always looking for a source; none exists.

Now, I can be called on the carpet because I'm also offering an opinion devoid of evidence. But it's easier and logical to be a doubter/skeptic in light of the fact that no one, whether in or out of governments, has ever produced one iota of evidence. Alleged abductions don't count as all that exists are doubtful reports and claims. There's plenty of evidence for the reality of UAPs (UFOs to the tyros) but nary for aliens.

Hearsay doesn't count and that is all that's on the record. In my opinion "disclosure" is only a word and there will never be disclosure of anything connected with alleged aliens.

All that is available are reports.

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: ArtemisE


The problem with a major nation like the US providing full disclosure on this would be the backlash and the uncovering of every single atrocity committed with the aim of keeping it secret. If the government has been keeping a secret like this, just imagine how many things have happened in the past that might have been attempts to keep it under wraps. Assassinations, wars, complete media spins, etc. They would first need to make sure that it would change the world so much that government wouldn't be necessary or that people wouldn't feel the need to riot or overthrow the governments.

If disclosure did come from government sources, I would imagine it coming from leaks. Most likely from a rival superpower or a rogue group.

Exactly right sir.Unless one falls on or near a major city this government will continue its denial.As you've already deduced these people aren't going to confess to 50 plus years of murder and harassment.

a reply to: TDawg61

You're missing the point. It's not about disclosure or denial, it's about DISCOVERY. You can't disclose something that hasn't been discovered in the first place.

As I said above, it's not likely to be a dramatic sci-fi-style discovery, more like a press conference where we get to see some microscopic images of Europan bacteria, or something.

Even so, that would still be the coolest discovery of the century by a long chalk, and it's quite interesting to speculate on how it would play out.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter

originally posted by: EnPassant
It is not when disclosure will happen it is why it would happen. Can anybody give me a convincing argument for disclosure?

E.T. disclosure would facilitate a one world government on earth, which is a long term plan according to many conspiracy theories.

Obviously since it hasn't happened

a) there is no disclosure to be done
b) conspiracy theorists are full of bovine scatology
c) powerful people cannot agree on a one world government.

If there is any E.T. visiting in fact, then any disclosure is 100% their responsibility and their problem. No human "disclosure" is worthwhile without ET cooperation, and if ET wanted to disclose there is nothing humans could do about it.

So either
a) no ET
b) ET's don't want to disclose. Personally I think that means they're dicks.

I think humans are 99% off the hook.

Maybe with some new evidence concerning the 1947 Roswell incident, that weather balloon explanation was a little too general.

Or maybe from old historical archival imagery of saucers orbiting the planet.

They say HAARP was active for this storm.

en.wikipedia.org...

I can tell you where it won't come from...It won't come from the ones that have the most to lose.
The US government holds all the marbles and they aim to keep them.
Disclosure is out there but the media is controlled by the folks with the marbles.

originally posted by: teslahowitzer
There have been many levels of disclosure for thousands of years..and still going on today, the problem is you will not wake the morons until a ship lands in full view for all to see while the cameras are rolling. Even then you will have those that say it is something else...sounds like a movie....

THIS.

a reply to: teslahowitzer

Quite right. Even if there is filmed evidence if it's good, they say it's CGI. If it's shaky or out of focus, it's a fake.
What it will take is just what you said, they will have to land where people can go and see for themselves. They would
just have to start landing everywhere all at once, or within a few hours all over the planet.

Evidence from thousands of years is here, visible, yet it's always this or that, never disclosure. More like, "ah, those idiots back then were trying to draw a comet on the rock" something stupid like that. Never WHAT it was.

BTW what ever happened to the Mexican "proof" Maya video? It died...

a reply to: Uggielicious

The mathematics or the universe makes us being the only life incredibly improbubal. I mentioned nothing of ufo's or Roswell. Alien life is assumed by main stream science. Weathe microbial life or grey aliens.

a reply to: Rob48

Fair enough I should have used discover not disclose. It's still the same premiss.

a reply to: ArtemisE

There will never be any disclosure...there doesn't need to be. The evidence is abundant and obvious...except to doubters as yourself still looking at the sky and waiting.

All the millions of pieces of evidence, films, photos, accounts, recordings, history. "..prove Im right. There is NEVER going to be a "disclosure".

There doesn't NEED to be...think about it

I have always hoped that in my lifetime It becomes common knowledge that beings from other planets and even other dimensions actually exist.

originally posted by: one4all
As far as Disclosure goes that term and its focus are now being used in a suppressionist manner to keep people thinking nothing has been found or has been made available to them,it is a Psy-Op.

You see the reality and truth is that Disclosure is only possible if there is a secret being kept,this is not about any secrets being kept because all of the data Humanity needs is out there and has been for 1000s of years recorded everywhere, this is about SUPPRESSION and MANIPULATION.

Simply using the word Disclosure now faccillitates the SUPPRESSORS by drawing attention away from them,by making everyone chase shadows and their own tails,while TPTB try to strain everything they can off of the internet to stay ahead of the curve of the general population.

Dang, that was one of the finest definitions of disclosure I have EVER seen...

SO much truth in what you said.

"Disclosure" happened a LONG time ago..

Suppression is exactly what is happening here.

The truth about this subject has always been covered up in order to hide the REAL stealth agenda behind it.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Go on Murgatroid... Tell everyone what you really mean.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: Uggielicious

The mathematics or the universe makes us being the only life incredibly improbubal. I mentioned nothing of ufo's or Roswell. Alien life is assumed by main stream science. Weathe microbial life or grey aliens.

When discussing alien life in UFO & Alien forums it is usually assumed that microbial life is not the subject of discussion. I'm in the minority because I don't accept that there is any life similar to humans anywhere but on earth. No mathematical formula is going to convince me otherwise.

Assumptions of aliens emanated from the fact that there are Unidentified Aerial Objects we've labeled UFOs and that said UFOs are craft and that these craft contain beings that do not originate on earth.

Since that is a mystery that no one has yet successfully explained, I'll wait for an actual being to step out of a landed craft and declare that it is from outside the earth and provide irrefutable evidence besides his craft and his presence.

To me it will not be government. I think we are all well aware that if there is something to disclose, way too much illegal activity occurred over the years trying to keep it secret, justified or not. It may not have been planned that way initially, but the PTB are not into self incrimination and there certainly is no incentive in it.

I think it will most likely will be the civilian science community that will drive it through acceptance, as impartial, pure science is the only entity that can really contain it. If science should prove it, then I think there will be no disclosure necessary.