Where will Disclosure Come From?

originally posted by: waltwillis
Is God what you were told or has God come to you in your mind or person.

In my mind and person.

Please help me better understand your view.

My view is that it is not wise to enter into the real world without due spiritual preparation. It is not wise to swallow what aliens tell us. We only need to wait for God to guide us.

In my opinion, disclosure happened a long time ago. It is being your own man or woman and living your own life and seeking your own answers and finding those answers through careful evaluation and observation your entire life.

When I was just 8 or 9, I faked a UFO report directly to the Air Force, (and yes, they did still take reports even after bluebook, for awhile). This was back in the early 70"s when I called the Air Force. I did it because a lot of people in my family were arguing over whether or not the military was covering up and debunking UFO reports. The stunt I pulled got the exact reaction that I knew it would. They pretended to be looking in to the matter and came back on the phone and told me that there was a high altitude lightning storm in my area that caused the green fireball that I reported. (I also mentioned it slowed down and did some fast maneuvers. :lol

In those days, there were a lot of very credible reports and I had a family friend who was in the Air Force who told me things because I was the only one who spoke to him about the subject without any political or scientific bias. I just kept asking for the truth and seeking it.

This is all relevant because it shows that anyone can be informed about ANYTHING if they really want to be, just by getting rid of social baggage, and standing up for your own self. You DON"T NEED confirmation from others to make the truth any more truthful, once you find a truthful answer to anything.

"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better. Bluebook had some success with this and the Condon report, and other reports, but they are all just public relations copy fit for the paper shredder.

You and everyone is in charge of your own disclosure by careful evaluation and observation. It really is not something very hard to do, and can be the easiest thing to do.

What is really funny to me even more, is that the worlds most powerful people, or at least some of them are also slaves to these same social traps that keep people bogged down in pretty much everything. This is part of why the whole world is in such a mess today. People always want someone else to tell them what makes everything tick. And guess who ends up telling people these things? Those who DO NOT have your best interests in hand.

originally posted by: alienreality
"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better.

But if it was official it would change many things. There would be no debunkers - or maybe only die hard ones. There would be a million questions. There would be debates on tv. The pope would speak on it. So would the Dali Lama. It would have an immense effect.

originally posted by: EnPassant

originally posted by: alienreality
"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better.

But if it was official it would change many things. There would be no debunkers - or maybe only die hard ones. There would be a million questions. There would be debates on tv. The pope would speak on it. So would the Dali Lama. It would have an immense effect.

Yes, all good points, I just don't think they will disclose much willingly. I think personally, the reason is because those who actually have all the Alien data and facts are also key players in very big industries, and there have been many people say that if they were to disclose the information, that our systems would all collapse. Oil, coal, gas, and many other things in society would change that pretty much be a total reset. And those who could disclose are so well connected to those who own the world the way it is now, don't want it to stop. They want to keep things the way it is.

In my opinion, this is the reason they will not disclose, but I think there are other reasons that are even more upsetting than just some people losing their money base.

originally posted by: EnPassant

originally posted by: alienreality
"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better.

But if it was official it would change many things. There would be no debunkers - or maybe only die hard ones. There would be a million questions. There would be debates on tv. The pope would speak on it. So would the Dali Lama. It would have an immense effect.

Which just goes to show there is nothing to disclose. How could anybody hide something as huge as that? They couldn't. The US government can't even hide a BJ in the Oval Office, and you think they could hide aliens?

And what about the other 220-odd nations on this planet? What makes you think the aliens are dealing with any one nation?

Such a parochial and narrow minded viewpoint.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: EnPassant

originally posted by: alienreality
"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better.

But if it was official it would change many things. There would be no debunkers - or maybe only die hard ones. There would be a million questions. There would be debates on tv. The pope would speak on it. So would the Dali Lama. It would have an immense effect.

Which just goes to show there is nothing to disclose. How could anybody hide something as huge as that? They couldn't. The US government can't even hide a BJ in the Oval Office, and you think they could hide aliens?

And what about the other 220-odd nations on this planet? What makes you think the aliens are dealing with any one nation?

Such a parochial and narrow minded viewpoint.

They hid the Atomic bomb from everyone for a long, long time until they decided to disclose it. The Manhattan project had 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES! And no one knew jack squat because of compartmentalization.

The next time an Anti-conspiracy theorist tells you: "It's impossible for the government to hide something that big!" - show them this story!

a reply to: EnPassant

ok so how do you go about not being the underdog? you don't know one thing about the competition, so how do you plan on beating them?

It is strange to me to listen to a confession of giving a false report about seeing flying saucers, Having kept what I saw a secret for more than 40 years of seeing aliens up close.
The need for attention is something I never had and tried to avoid all my life.
People that make false reports cause problems for the folks that want the truth to be told.
I would think a good lie detector test should be given to anyone making reports and if they fail they should be exposed.
The point is that we are talking about a very important subject that affects all humans.
Should the people of the world be told the truth or should they not...and why?
I would like to listen to forum members view on this point...

a reply to: bottleslingguy

By listening to God and not them.

a reply to: waltwillis

They should be told the truth, of course. But there are forces - some of them alien - that don't want disclosure, at least not yet. Disclosure will only come if things reach critical mass - if there is a crisis. Have you read The Threat by David Jacobs?

The aliens are planning mainly for the future, for the world that is to come after the crisis.

a reply to: alienreality

The Manhattan project had 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES! And no one knew jack squat because of compartmentalization.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
www.theatlantic.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: alienreality

The Manhattan project had 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES! And no one knew jack squat because of compartmentalization.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
www.theatlantic.com...

After reading your linked content I am sure I will. IT does show that some people found out about it, but the general public didn't really catch on like they would have in a "disclosure event" which is pretty much what we were talking about before. Everyone in the country and the rest of the world received disclosure the same time Japan did when the bombs were dropped.
I do however see your point. Will that suffice?

a reply to: EnPassant

"God to guide us" ?????? I thought you said you wouldn't believe it unless some expert corporate politician told you?

a reply to: alienreality

Today is far different from the middle of the last century. Information is about a gagillion times more readily available now. Back then you could have a topic make the front page in Chicago and literally no one in ST. Louis ever hear about it.

Now you can't have a mouse fart in china and me hear about it in memphis.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: EnPassant

originally posted by: alienreality
"Disclosure" in an official capacity is nothing more than just a pat on the back telling you what you want to hear, or to make you feel better.

But if it was official it would change many things. There would be no debunkers - or maybe only die hard ones. There would be a million questions. There would be debates on tv. The pope would speak on it. So would the Dali Lama. It would have an immense effect.

Which just goes to show there is nothing to disclose. How could anybody hide something as huge as that? They couldn't. The US government can't even hide a BJ in the Oval Office, and you think they could hide aliens?

And what about the other 220-odd nations on this planet? What makes you think the aliens are dealing with any one nation?

Such a parochial and narrow minded viewpoint.

That's a really intresting point. If disclosure was made or aliens showed up. What group would deny they existed , assuming disclosure was the conspiracy?


I think it'll be Christian conspiracy people.... You know like ken hamm or the others who think science is just the devils lie to fool us.

I think even if aliens landed on the White House lawn. Conspiracy Christians will claim they are lying and actually demons from the pit of HELL! Lmao

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: EnPassant

"God to guide us" ?????? I thought you said you wouldn't believe it unless some expert corporate politician told you?

No I did not mean that. I do believe there is a conspiracy to withhold the truth about aliens. But until there is official disclosure it is not clear on a global scale what is happening. People respect officialdom. If the president says 'They're here' people will listen. Even if they don't trust the president or the government in other matters this would be listened to because it is such a dramatic statement. It would change everything. There would be non stop talk shows on tv with politicians, philosophers, theists, atheists, economists, bishops, cardinals debating every possible implication of such a revelation. People would ask 'Are they Catholic?' - do they believe in God? Are they from satan? Can we trust them? Televisions would be hopping mad and overheating with debates for years to come.

a reply to: ArtemisE

As far as I can see the governments of the world have completely closed down on disclosure. There is something holding them back. What?

originally posted by: waltwillis
It is strange to me to listen to a confession of giving a false report about seeing flying saucers, Having kept what I saw a secret for more than 40 years of seeing aliens up close.
The need for attention is something I never had and tried to avoid all my life.
People that make false reports cause problems for the folks that want the truth to be told.
I would think a good lie detector test should be given to anyone making reports and if they fail they should be exposed.
The point is that we are talking about a very important subject that affects all humans.
Should the people of the world be told the truth or should they not...and why?
I would like to listen to forum members view on this point...

You should know that it is very helpful to read posts all the way through, which you didn't do

This was not a false report like to MUFON or anything public. This was a successful experiment to prove to others that the Air Force did have a policy of obfuscation and debunking if ANYONE reported a UFO to them, and this was also in 1970. It was a completely private report, not public.
MY ENTIRE POINT was to show how the air force LIED to the public not just sometimes, but all the time (publically) about UFO's. It was what I already posted about, but you kind of got it all reversed or missed all of that.

Also you inadvertently highlight the idea of a lie detector test. Well, my little experiment certainly showed this was a very valid thing to do, except not to me, or the public, but for public relations people and others in the Military, specifically the Air Force, who's sole business was/is LYING to you and me about this subject, which my little stunt proved to everyone that was there that nice and sunny day back in the summer of 1970. or '71. The official on the phone lied to me directly about what I reported. Are you seeing now what I meant?

You could say I pulled an Ed Snowden on them without even needing any documents. And Bluebook and the Condon report have already long been exposed long ago for exactly what they were created for, which was to debunk every UFO report as crap so congress would gtfo the (Air Force's backs). (Blue Book special report 14 was not disclosed back then to the public, and that report contained all the good ones that were classified as true unknowns. (By the way, most folks back then didn't buy what officials were saying in the media and a lot of people were blazing mad at how obvious and ridiculous the lies they were telling to debunk UFO's, Swamp gas and very rare non existent atmospheric anomalies were popular in describing something travelling at near escape velocities and making a few nice sharp turns back then also. (Not very many believed it though, but it did what they hoped for and people backed off the subject.

The low percentage of actual UNKNOWNS and any other very credible and true reports of UFO's were not included in the Blue Book System that was public then., nor were they included or mentioned in the Condon report at all! Which was how it was later exposed as a ploy so the Air force would no longer have to show up for congressional hearings any longer, and they were getting really pissed about that, as Barry Goldwater was all in their face about this subject back then.. In this regard, Bluebook was a success and the Condon report was part of that success.

All the news and media and most everyone in any official capacity just laughed it all off as rubbish that any UFO's were real, they bought the lies hook line and sinker, and some news outlets were threatened to go along with this or lose their FCC licenses.
There is a lot of material available to confirm everything I have said, and it is always good to research independently and see for yourself how this played out back then, quite entertaining even.

a reply to: alienreality

I do however see your point. Will that suffice?

Not really, you seem to have missed the point. Because you see, we now have the internet. Had the internet existed in 1944 (or widespread TV for that matter), the world would have known about the Manhattan Project. The story could not have been contained.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: alienreality

I do however see your point. Will that suffice?

Not really, you seem to have missed the point. Because you see, we now have the internet. Had the internet existed in 1944 (or widespread TV for that matter), the world would have known about the Manhattan Project. The story could not have been contained.

As usual I let you off the hook even when you are wrong about the atomic bomb being known about AFTER Japan was bombed. BUT now it is because of the internet you say! and this wouldn't have happened that way if the internet was around back then, but you didn't attribute this as the reason earlier. Is it that important when you want to be right, and as equally important to you for everyone else to be wrong? Are you the reincarnation of Attila the Hun?

A nice philosophy phage, but very outdated, and it ain't working for you.

The real reason that it WAS contained, wasn't because there wasn't any internet, it was because of compartmentalization, and a signed document that says if you breach this security oath, your Fked!
And it gets even better!
But the whole point of compartmentalization is so that no single person knows enough about anything to damage national security ANYWAYS, if they were to GO and tell it on the mountain!, What could they say? Umm, hey I worked on some uranium stuff that no one knows about? because they just know a few tasks which have no common reference with anything else to create that danger.
That has not changed and that is why secrets can still be kept and in fact still are. And I would know, because I did work like this at Kirtland AFB.

Just don't even keep trying on this one. The biggest point you have made is that you don't subscribe to conspiracies because they conflict with your view on reality. Fine, good. They are made to do just that, so the majority of society stays in that box. Non disclosure is a good thing in many instances. If it happens unofficially, I would be worrying a lot about my kids and their kids futures, so let it just play out however it plays

I don't have a problem with that.