Is the 9/11 Forum Dying?

originally posted by: GenRadek
You should know that explosive demolition charges are very very loud . And in every freaking demolition video I have ever seen and heard, you hear the very noisy detonations well before any movement of the building. It wold have been picked up on every camera and audio recording device within two miles. And yet, we have people standing under it and next to it, and the only sound we ever hear is a growing rumbling sound of the collapses. No sharp bang bang bangs. At all! Period!

Well obviously they used "Hush a Boom" silent explosives made by the Acme Corporation.

a reply to: GenRadek

Did you forget the structure was collapsing internally for a few seconds prior to the collapse we see?

so they SAY!

and they call that event....a "NEW PHYSICS PHENOMENON" where thermal expansion works at LOW TEMPS to somehow REMOVE.....

105 vertical feet of LOAD BEARING continuous vertical support columns....
at least 8 floors of truss assemblies with carrier beams...
lateral, cross, and diagonal bracing throughout...
tens of thousands of bolts and welds...
office contents...
utilities....

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."

now, let me get this straight.....the OS says ONE columns fell the east pent house, now YOU want ALL interior load bearing vertical support to GLOBALLY fail, but YOU want that MASSIVE load to remain MAGICALLY floating till that pathetic little scenario is finished,all just to give us the 'IMPRESSION' that global unified acceleration EQUAL o g. is occurring....when it's really not huh.....

glad you cleared that up for us.

a reply to: GenRadek

Angel Rivera, describing in his own words the second impact of the plane and then later, the collapse of the first tower.

"The building was still shaking and
we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get out of here. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs.

gee Mr.Einstein......then that MUST mean falling tower debris took out the FIRST three flights of stairs below to trap them on the fourth floor....how does that occur and NOT kill them in the process???...since they were directly above.....

oh....so an impact that caused minimal damage to a tower did that to a SEPARATE building????

so, got any EVIDENCE supporting that or are ya just talking out yer........

As for LT. Patrick he describes how the Tower started to fall down. Im sure it did sound like an explosion if you were standing right under it.

LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
WTC2
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".

ever sit in the 'cheap-seats' at a ball game......SEE the batter HIT the ball and then a couple SECONDS LATER, you HEAR IT.......oh, but NOT on 9-11 huh.......
no, there we have MAGIC physics!!!!!

where they can HEAR the sound of collapse BEFORE they see it occur!!!!.....totally amazing huh.

they HEAR the EXPLOSION/sound, that gets their ATTENTION to LOOK UP, to SEE the tower START TO COLLAPSE!!!!!...

...before it makes the noise that gets their attention.

two to three second pass from the TIME they hear the noise/EXPLOSION, to the time they look up to see it start to move...


but oh yea......it's just the collapse...another claimed first time event.....also refusing to prove.

originally posted by: hgfbob


and they call that event....a "NEW PHYSICS PHENOMENON"

They don't. You must stop saying this, if only because you're making yourself look exceptionally silly.

a reply to: hgfbob

gee Mr.Einstein......then that MUST mean falling tower debris took out the FIRST three flights of stairs below to trap them on the fourth floor....how does that occur and NOT kill them in the process???...since they were directly above.....

Wow, it is really that hard for you to even think critically for just a second? Debris bashed into that building from the top and side. You mean it was impossible that debris impacting from the side or damaging the structure wouldnt cause damage below them? We do not know the extent of the damage inside WTC3 after the first collapse nor do we have a view of the building facing the 1st collapsed tower. So we dont know how bad it got hit the side.

Wait, are you suggesting that these secret powerful explosions below them DIDNT kill them? Weird! I thought those high power explosives would have blown them up too! Did he describe any blast damage? Also, can you tell me why exactly they would have planted bombs in WTC3? A hotel? That only had firefighters doing a sweep prior to collapse? What exactly was the point of bombs there??

oh....so an impact that caused minimal damage to a tower did that to a SEPARATE building????

so, got any EVIDENCE supporting that or are ya just talking out yer........

What are you blabbering about?? What minimal damage?? The debris from the first collapse crashed down on top and the side of the WTC3. That is where the firefighter was. Inside WTC3.

where they can HEAR the sound of collapse BEFORE they see it occur!!!!.....totally amazing huh.

they HEAR the EXPLOSION/sound, that gets their ATTENTION to LOOK UP, to SEE the tower START TO COLLAPSE!!!!!...

...before it makes the noise that gets their attention.

two to three second pass from the TIME they hear the noise/EXPLOSION, to the time they look up to see it start to move...

Ok, I can play this game too. Listen closely to this video and watch:


Then watch this one taken a little farther away:


Now listen closely here:

Taken at the base of the Towers

and here:


Skip to 0:50 of the video
youtu.be...

The above video was inside the North Tower as the South Tower collapsed. Now did you notice something between the three videos I posted??

The first two videos are REAL demolitions. You can hear the sequence of blasts BEFORE any movement of the structure, even though its farther away. You still hear the blasts BEFORE the building comes down. Now compare to the WTC videos taken from RIGHT NEXT to the buildings. Where are the sequences of detonations? They do not just roar. They have very sharp tell-tale blasts.

I cant hear it here either!


or here



As Marvin the Martian would say:

a reply to: GenRadek

Debris bashed into that building from the top and side.

debris from what???..NOT falling tower debris.....maybe the BOMBS Jennings and Hess reported.

NCSTAR1A p.39/130
"the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."

You mean it was impossible that debris impacting from the side or damaging the structure wouldnt cause damage below them?

it did NOT occur......quoting duhbunker sites does nothing for ya when the duhbunker sites IGNORE the scientific findings of the initial 2005 NIST scientific investigation.....and falling tower debris DID NOT CAUSE WTC7 to collapse....or even assist.

Ok, I can play this game too. Listen closely to this video and watch:

i see NO eye witnesses whom HEARS the EXPLOSION from 1400 feet away, and looks up AFTER the noise gets their attention 2+ seconds later to see the COLLAPSE START!!!

reading comprehension is not yer strongest suit huh.

and the HUGE difference between us is, I post facts, both of science, the 10,000+ page 2005 NIST report, and the hypothesized claims of the latter 2008 HYPOTHESIS crew...

and lookie what you respond with......posting the collapse?????

tell me HOW that shows FIRE does all this work as OFFICIALLY CLAIMED it did??????

a reply to: hgfbob

Holy Toledo man! You dont even know what building is what! You use quotes from firefighters when you dont even know what building they were in! Wow! And you want to lecture me on facts on 9/11? You cant even put people in proper places. Angel Rivera was in WTC3! THREE. T-H-R-E-E ! WTC 3!! Three is not the same as Seven.

also, I show footage of people standing under the damn tower and NO ONE looks up until the building is coming down on top of them. So tell me how does that work? Mind you , demolition charges explode really really loudly nd we dont hear them ANYWHERE in the audio/video medium. People closest to the Tower would see and hear the explosions first, THEN look up . Not look up and go, HOLY $#1! its coming down!!! Did you hear any explosions prior to collapse? Cause I sure didnt. Not even from the base of the damn tower in even in the Tower next door. What kind of crappy explosives were these that no one can pick up on the video cams standing right under them?? Hushabooms and only certain segments of the human population can hear?

originally posted by: GenRadek
Did you hear any explosions prior to collapse? Cause I sure didnt.

I don't know what you're listening to, but there most-certainly was a large explosion that initiated the collapse of WTC 2 (south tower):

YouTube Search


As you can see at the link above, there are multiple witnesses on video claiming to have heard the explosion prior to WTC 2's collapse, and you can also hear the explosion loud and clear in almost all WTC 2 collapse videos.

That is not a theory. That is not a conspiracy. That is a 100% pure fact. Denying the witnesses and audio heard in the videos is a whole other issue.

a reply to: GenRadek

Angel Rivera was in WTC3! THREE. T-H-R-E-E ! WTC 3!! Three is not the same as Seven.

and NO where in my last reply above do I say he was in 7 or even mention him....I have two threads here discussing Angel Rivera in the Marriott, [WTC3], witnessing explosions BEFORE any tower falls.....very clear time line....

go there is ya wanna discuss it.

this is just your pathetic attempt to discredit me.

Not look up and go, HOLY $#1! its coming down!!!

I'm sure they did.......wouldn't you......they also saw it "START TO COLLAPSE" almost 3 seconds AFTER they hear the EXPLOSION/sound that gets their attention to look up.

as the witnesses state in their description.....HUNDREDS of them.

LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
WTC2
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".

RONALD COYNE EMT WTC2
"At that point I just heard a THUNDEROUS SOUND AND LOOKED up AND SAW THE BUILDING START TO TOPPLE START TO SWAY, AND IT WAS SWAYING OUR WAY..".

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI WTC2
"We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide."

FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS
WTC2-
"I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down"

People closest to the Tower would see and hear the explosions first,

when normal physics is in place.....but this is 9-11 ....remember.....the day physics went bye-bye!!!!

but it seems sound traveled faster than light only on 9-11 for them to HEAR the building collapse, then to look up 2 seconds later to SEE the collapse start...before it makes the noise that gets their attention.

What kind of crappy explosives were these that no one can pick up on the video cams standing right under them??

Richard Siegal and Eyewitness 9-11 have all the bomb sounds ya want BEFORE, during and after the towers collapse....the vids are on utube also....

besides.....you wanna prove NO explosives or accelerants were used, then PROVE IT.... since there is an OFFICIAL CLAIM given stemming from a SCIENTIFIC investigation that "NONE were there"....that puts the ball in YOUR COURT!!!!!!

now what SCIENTIFIC analysis did they do to CONFIRM "none were there?????.....since the initial 2005 NIST did NOT check, analyse, investigate for that....

"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm

so INSTEAD, the 2008 NIST hypothesis crew bases that OFFICIAL claim of "NONE" on.....

[NCSTAR1A 4.3.4] Basing the decision of "No explosives or accelerants were used" on videos that were recorded at the time of collapse and the use of specialized computer modeling...NIST concluded that a blast event did not occur

uhm...wow!...26 SECONDS of audio-less collapse video and 'SPECIAL' computer modeling they REFUSE TO RELEASE!

WICKED scientific huh!!!

oh yea.....I like the way you 'COLORIZE' your postings.......full of life and animation!!!!...too bad NO FACTS to support the BULL# you spew here!

a reply to: hgfbob

Noooo you used his quotes about hearing explosions before any collapses, and yet when one reads his account he never mentions any other explosions other than the plane impact and then collapses of the Towers. That is it. You tried to sucker the readers into reading something that is not factual at all and perpetuates a lie. That is called being dishonest.

Here is the oral history of his:
graphics8.nytimes.com...

You may want to refresh your reading comprehension skills. Show me where exactly these explosions happened acording to his account.

Also as to WTC7, where is the big kaboom? Where are the videos of WTC7 demo charges going off? You cannot produce one video of any of this.

Also you should know by now: hearing "explosions" does not equal demolition charges or bombs. In fact, I have not heard one actual demolition charge sized explosion from any video. I never denied explosions being heard. I deny demolition charges ever happening because not one video or audio source picks up anything like this. Not one video. A loud roaring sound during collapse is not a EXPLOSION. but people characterize any sudden loud sound as an explosion. I thought this was obvious to you, but I guess not.

Anything heard prior to collapse was most likely the tower beginning to collapse as floors crashing down onto each other would make a loud BOOM sound, loud enough to be heard by people next to it but not loud enough to be picked up by audio recordings. Demolition charges woul dhave been heard CLEARLY above everything else.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

BoneZ, you and I have been on this sight for years, and I am sure you too can agree that people hearing explosions does not equal people hearing explosives being detonated. Have I denied any sounds of explosions ever happening? Nope.

What many of you guys fail to understand, or refuse to as the case may be, is that during any fire, explosions will be heard in a large enough fire. Hell I counted three explosions while watching a garage burn a few years back. I know those werent explosive charges though. Now look at the WTC. You had ten or more floors in each tower burning like a roman candle, and each floor an acre in size filled with flammable materials and TWO planes burning in the midst of it all. You have structural damage where individual structural connections are failing from exposure to high temps and damage, steel bending, snapping, and warping, and falling down. Even people who jumped and the ground were described as sounding like explosions.

The point is that there were NO detonation sounds like demo charges heard, like how I showed in the previous videos. No series of sharp cracks or detonations prior to collapses of any of the building. And come on now, they would have been easily heard over the commotion and din of the fire/police/ambulance sirens and choppers. They were not so far away to be unheard as this was in the middle of a big metropolis filled with skyscrapers that would echo like crazy any loud detonations coming from the Towers. Alas, not one video exists where one hears the loud crack of a demo chare going off. Not even while the firefighters are standing at the base of the Tower. And there are accounts of people that didnt even notice anything was wrong until the tower was already coming down. Youd have to be deaf and dumb to miss the sounds of demo charges going off.

Plus interesting how they all describe the first collapse as an explosion. Im pretty sure the sound of a building collapsing would sound like that. I dont see how one "boom" would cause a collapse like that, plus not really being picked up by any video or audio.

a reply to: GenRadek

people hearing explosions does not equal people hearing explosives being detonated.

people hearing a massive EXPLOSION from a distance, then looking up to SEE the building START to collapse DOES NOT equate to the building making the sound they all hear to get their attention to look up....to SEE IT START!

unless YOU want to claim another FIRST in physics/science......

What many of you guys fail to understand, or refuse to as the case may be, is that during any fire, explosions will be heard in a large enough fire. Hell I counted three explosions while watching a garage burn a few years back.

yea....gas cans tend to do that.......NO gas cans in the towers though....unless you want to claims cans of computer air blew up at every desk.....FDNY reported "explosions NOT consistent with office fire."...THAT is the reason they will NEVER forget.

The point is that there were NO detonation sounds like demo charges heard

....on.....26 SECONDS of collapse video.....which is the official claim.

NCSTR1A 4.2 p.48 "Based on visual and audio evidence and the use of specialized computer modeling...NIST concluded that a blast event did not occur"
[NCSTAR1A 4.3.4] Basing the decision of "No explosives or accelerants were used" on videos that were recorded at the time of collapse.

NO explosives the ENTIRE day based on 26 seconds of collapse video and 'SPECIAL' computer modeling they REFUSE to release....

but oh yea..NONE there huh!!!!! ....cause the science says so huh.......

Anything heard prior to collapse was most likely the tower beginning to collapse as floors crashing down onto each other

lol.....really!?!?!?!?

how can the floors do that....in their ENTIRETY?!?!?!?!?

there was NO fire that covered any floor....and if one truss web falls of the seat, then it will probably sink a LITTLE till the OTHER trusses take up the load....along with the lateral bracing running under the steel pans between the webs spanning the building.

this is what happens when 'arm-chair' people compare their stick framed garage to a steel framed building......TOTALLY different support system. where you have each floor supported by the floor beneath in a stick frame, the towers were 286 CONTINUOUS steel load-bearing vertical support from the hat truss to the bedrock with ATTACHED non load bearing long span floor trusses....the standard of steel framed construction.


OMG...he has experience in building?!??!?!?!?!?

Plus interesting how they all describe the first collapse as an explosion. I'm pretty sure the sound of a building collapsing would sound like that.

then tell me the sound it makes when there is NO collapsing building till they look up more than 2 seconds later to SEE it "START TO COLLAPSE"?

LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS
WTC2
"I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean".

FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI WTC2
"We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide"

FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS
WTC2-
"I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down"

plus not really being picked up by any video or audio.

as I said, Richard Segiel , Eyewitness 9-11 has plenty of unexplained low resonating short term 'detonations'....going off before during and after the towers collapse.

really easy to scrub out low end rumble out of audio...
[I do it all the time after we record..anything under 60 Hz....GONE!], before the Gov. returned the HUNDREDS of video cameras they confiscated that day.

Noooo you used his quotes about hearing explosions before any collapses, and yet when one reads his account he never mentions any other explosions other than the plane impact and then collapses of the Towers.

ok....esplain the...

(pg4)
"when we hit the 19th floor,
something horrendous happened. It was like a
bomb went off. We thought we were dead.
The whole building shook. The brick
coming out of -- the door to the hallway into the
hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all
over the place. It shook all over the place. We
were thrown on the floor. We looked inside the lobby after
everything calmed down, and everything was
collapsed."

(pg5)
2]..."The building was still shaking and
we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get out of here. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs. We met on that floor, and we were all safe. We were all like-we could have been over here. What happened, we looked out of the window of the hotel, the wall, practically, because the window was all blown up. There was no way out. The only way out was the roof rope."

NOW the collapse on page 7....

(pg7)
"and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's
when hell came down. It was like a huge,
enormous explosion. I still can hear it.
Everything shook. Everything went black. The
wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust,
all the-and everything went dark.
We were rolling all over the floor,
banging against the walls. I thought I was alone. I thought I was buried alive."

a sound VERY DIFFERENT than what they just experienced MINUTES before.....so unless YOU want to claim the first tower collapse took MINUTES to complete......your talking out yer a$*

originally posted by: hgfbob

THAT is the reason they will NEVER forget.

Not sure it is. I think you'll find it has a lot more to do with the hundreds of guys who died.

You could try approaching the fire service to help corroborate your ideasand build your case. But we all know that's not what you're interested in.

then tell me the sound it makes when there is NO collapsing building till they look up more than 2 seconds later to SEE it "START TO COLLAPSE"?

The Delft school of Architecture partially collapsed from fire several years ago. Witnesses reported hearing loud explosions. So I guess either big buildings occasionally emit loud noises, or Dick Cheney really hates Dutch architects.

a reply to: JuniorDisco

a lot more to do with the hundreds of guys who died.

...murdered.....to which the 2005 NIST found was not a result of the minimal impact damage to each tower or the FIRES PRESENT!

they can write what ever they want on a cover-sheet or preface page....too bad there is no science within to support it.

corroborate your ideasand build your case.

uhm.....for you to prove the 'CLAIMED' physics phenomenons are responsible.....that thermal expansion works at LOW TEMPS not only allow collapse of all three buildings to ensue, ALSO to COMPLETELY remove....

105 vertical feet of LOAD BEARING continuous vertical support columns throughout the entire building....
8 complete floors of truss assemblies with carrier beams...
lateral, cross, and diagonal bracing throughout the skeleton...
tens of thousands of bolts and welds holding everything together
office contents...
utilities....

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."

Shyam Sunder at the NIST webcast Technical Briefing

The Delft school of Architecture partially collapsed from fire several years ago. Witnesses reported hearing loud explosions.

really.....wow.......were the people at that collapse 1400 feet away, and did they HEAR the explosion BEFORE the building collapsed as in ALL they quotes I supplied state occurred???

I don't give a rats as$ about how you people feel about what I post, [judging by ALL your starzzzz], it is the truth...not my truth...just truth.

every reply to me has been to twist and manipulate out of context......is there not ONE science-minded individual amongst the lot of you whom can respond coherently with supporting evidence of the official SCIENTIFIC claims pushed as truth???

every reply has catered to the heartstrings of emotion instead of the actual topic of the post your replying to......

all seem like DISTRACTION away from actual facts and science.....now, why would someone would do such a thing????

to bring this back to the original OP's question...of course it's dying, their is no more information that will be taken seriously, media will not touch it anymore, and all information that could be revealing is either hidden or destroyed....look at the TEPCO nuclear reactor disaster in Japan, that's only been a couple of years, and NOBODY is talking about that either.

a reply to: hgfbob

ol I am thoroughly enjoying this.

Ok, so you use people's description of the collapse (as an explosion) and presto chango, it is PROOF of explosives and bombs and demolition charges, they blew it up, etc etc etc inside job!!!! And yet, not one video taken from hundreds of cameras all around the WTC prior to collapse couldnt even hear one single powerful blast prior to any collapse. And no, people saying they heard an explosion as the building came down, well, what else is a building collapsing suppose to sound like? A feather falling on a pillow?

Also there were no floors that had fires across the whole thing?? Really? So Wtc1 and 2 were not burning much at all? Really? Cause thse photos seems to speak otherwise:
WTC Fires

If I were you, I would take some firefighting classes, or even talk to firefighters that can tell you all about fire sciences. That way you will come out a little more informed and better prepared to argue. Then you can learn a thing or two about what happens in fires and the different causes of "kabooms" in them. And no, you do not need gasoline cans to make a boom sound. Or computers.

Plus you are so certain that they heard an explosion prior to collapse and this was some magical mystery explosives, so lets use your logic and way of thinking for WTC7, shall we? Here is Craig Bartmer NYPD while standing next to WTC7.

I saw, you know, there was definitely fire in the building, you know, but ... um, I didn't hear any, and you know maybe this is movie crap, i didn't hear any creaking or i didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down, and all of a sudden the radios exploded and everybody started screaming, "Get away. Get away. Get away from it." and I was like a dear in the headlights. And I look up.
It was that moment, you know, "Get away", and I looked up... and... it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. And all the things started peeling in on itself and... I mean, there was an umbrella of crap seven feet over my head that I just stared at. Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running and the [explitive]'s hitting the ground behind me and the whole time your hearing "thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom." So. I think I know an explosion when I hear it."

So tell me now, where was that big explosion prior to the building coming down on top of him? After all, he is standing right next to it, and in his own words, HEARS NOTHING that would signal its collapse, and all of a sudden people yell watch out! And then he looks up and sees it already coming down? Kinda shoots down your logic of thinking. How can a man stand next to a building and not notice any loud explosions causing him to look up, and only does so when the radios and people yell run like hell? And some "truthers" still insist on using him as "proooooffff!!!!" when he himself contradicts everything that is claimed about bombs and explosives used.

And there you go again with Angel's account, from INSIDE WTC3!! Why? He is inside when the first collapse happens, and then still in there when the second collapse happens!! You do know that WTC3 was hit twice, right? Did you see the pictures of it? So how does this = explosives? Because he mentions explosions? Can I ask you how the hell should it sound like when large chunks of debris crash on top of the building you are inside, while 110 floors collapse next to you? Why is it so hard to wrap your mind around the fact that Angel was describing the first collapse, which only damaged and collapsed a decent section of WTC3, while the second collapse is what flattened WTC3? But since you are so adamant that there were explosives heard, why were they inside WTC3? Or, how could explosives in the Twin Towers damage and destroy WTC3, without ANYBODY noticing it outside PRIOR to the collapses? I mean, seriously? Something tells me you are just trolling and not even close to looking for the truth.

And Richard Seigel? You mean the wind on the mic videos? Even the "Truther" websites have debunked him:
Rick Siegel's 9/11 Eyewitness: Sensationalism and Pseudo-Science

It is funny cause it also debunks everything you claim and even reinforces what I have stated and what is understood. And before you poo-poo this website, realize that 911review is a TRUTHER website. And although i laugh heartily at Truther websites, this one at least tries to sift through the junk.

Can you also show me where the government confiscated hundreds of video recorders from people on 9/11 and scrubbed them? Thanks I'd really appreciate that!

This is why the forum is dying. The same garbage over and over, it is like a giant game of whack-a-mole where once one claim has been debunked, another pops up as "New and Improved!" and then it too is debunked, then the first one pops up as "New and Improved!" Sorry but even whack-a-mole gets old after a while. The 9/11 Truth Movement is in the same place it was 6 years ago, with the same tired, worn out nonsense, and not one, NOT ONE shred of new evidence or anything of interest that could bolster their position about some special secret demolition nonsense. I can only read about pyroclasic flows and mini-nukes in basements, secret silenced explosives, and such, so much before it gets old. And it got old 6 years ago. And oh yeah, debunked too.

a reply to: GenRadek

you use people's description of the collapse (as an explosion) and presto chango, it is PROOF of explosives and bombs

no...the EXPLOSION, BEFORE collapse is what I post....as all the quotes state...you seem to IGNORE what you don't want to hear...

So Wtc1 and 2 were not burning much at all? Really? Cause thse photos seems to speak otherwise:

yea....pics are worth a 1000 words.....now, post a CONTINUOUS uncut video of the entire event......that kind of fire you show does not last long.....and I see ya stuck in a pic of WTC5 that burnt for two days....and NO collapse.

talk to firefighters that can tell you all about fire sciences.

why don't YOU post just ONE fireman from ANYWHERE whom experienced the OFFICIALLY CLAIMED new phenomenon called "LOW TEMP THERMAL EXPANSION", [for falling three buildings in ONE day on 9-11], never to be seen again...

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."

You mean the wind on the mic videos? Even the "Truther" websites have debunked him:

lmao...."wind in the mikes"....hey...PROVING the official claims PUSHED as truth duhbunks him....wow..what a concept huh!



oh, and 'truthers' don't have websites...they ask questions and DEMAND the supporting evidence of the official, IN PLACE claims pushed as truth...

and proving the OS automatically nullifies ALL other alternate theories......

This is why the forum is dying. The same garbage over and over

....from YOU......the SAME pathetic distractions over and over again......

now, tell me of this NEW science that REMOVED the necessary resistance in WTC7, either all at once, or at the very least, symmetrically and unified AHEAD of the collapse wave for 105 vertical feet....

NOT ONE shred of new evidence

then tell me bout the NEW SCIENCE that is claimed to SYMMETRICALLY REMOVE structural mass..[something fire has NEVER DONE BEFORE!], to attain ZERO RESISTANCE, all before 1.74 seconds to allow global unified descent equal to g. @ 1.75 seconds to 4.0s., consisting of......

the 105 vertical feet of LOAD BEARING continuous vertical support columns ....
8 floors of truss assemblies with carrier beams...
lateral, cross, and diagonal bracing throughout...
tens of thousands of bolts and welds...
office contents...
utilities....

that is what TAUGHT science states MUST occur to allow the collapse we see to proceed....and there is nothing you can do bout that fact but distract form it....so, enter NEW SCIENCE to do the deed!!!!!

"NIST is withholding 68,246 files. These records are currently exempt from disclosure. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16 story and the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse."

a reply to: GenRadek

Small amounts of hi tech explosives placed strategically in volnerable locations could cause a very quiet explosion and help to demolish the most powerful of structures, and considering the massive noise coming from everywhere at the time it would be very difficult to detect all of them clearly...And as you know (I hope) the explosives are only one of the many evidences against this case and please don't ask me to recall them all for you.

a reply to: GenRadek

what else is a building collapsing suppose to sound like? A feather falling on a pillow?

lol....a 'feather' huh.....keep that in the back of your squash for a minute, ok!!!

and now tell me HOW FIRE ALONE removes 105 vertical feet of structural resistance globally in WTC7, *BEFORE* 1.74 seconds so acceleration EQUAL to Gravity can ensue, GLOBALLY and UNIFIED IMMEDIATELY following at 1.75 seconds to 4.0 seconds......

NCSTAR 1A 3.6] "This free fall drop continues for approximately 8 stories, the distance traveled between t=1.75s and t=4.0s...constant, downward acceleration during this time interval. This acceleration was *9.8m/s^2*, equivalent to the acceleration of gravity."

NICSTAR 1A 4.3.4] Global Collapse..."The entire building above the buckled column region moved downward in a single unit, as observed, completing the global collapse"

NCSTAR1A p.39/130
"the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7."

The NIST WTC7 report Fig 3-15 shows the graph with the regression line yielding acceleration of 32.196ft/s^2. SEE the time interval between 1.75 and 4 is 2.25 sec. the interval where WTC7 does achieve a period of free-fall ACCELERATION.

what does SCIENCE say about the 2.3 second interval, "Indistinguishable from FREEFALL". That NONE of the gravitational energy is available to destroy the supporting structures, ALL converted to MOTION!

meaning, any bending, crushing, breaking connections, REMOVAL of structural RESISTANCE, BELOW the mass ACCELERATING, is occurring WITHOUT the assistance of energy from the mass accelerating. Zero resistance.

now where else ON EARTH do we see those SAME numbers????...care to take a guess.....it concerns a feather....
open ANY science/physics text...."rate of acceleration seen by ALL mass REGARDLESS of weight toward the earth, at sea level, *~**WITHIN a VACUUM**~* is *9.8m/s^2*.
....where a 'feather' accelerates at the SAME rate as a 1lb steel ball...or ya moms Toyota!

hmm.....the SAME numbers we see under 'CONTROLLED conditions, WE SEE occurring globally and UNIFIED in a 47 story steel frame @ 1.75 SECONDS, when kink forms, to 4.0s of the collapse....2.5 seconds later, it's done....6.5 second building collapse from FIRE we can't really see from the windows.

NCSTAR1A-3.2]"It is likely that much of the burning took place beyond the views of the windows"

care to tell me bout this NEW science the 2008 NIST hypothesis crew claims did all that work??????

"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."

....please!!!!!!!

a reply to: hgfbob
You are drawing conclusions based on your own lack of experience in any of the fields needed.
You have no degrees in any of the fields.

If there were any merit to your personal beliefs there would be a ground swell of experts comming forth.