Ufology is pointless, just give it up already

What annoys me about Ufology is that even the cases that seem really good on the surface have huge holes in them large enough to fly a 747 through.

Ive never managed to find that one case that seems water tight, something that i can present to people who don't believe.

Ill keep looking but all i've found so far is disappointment.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

*sigh*

People never listen to the time-travelling mystical ufo contactee. I didn't say keep looking. I said go back to the drawing board and let go of your expectations of a 'water-tight' case. This isn't your grandpa's materialistic ufo mythology anymore.

READ KRIPAL.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD


Ill keep looking but all i've found so far is disappointment.

Then take a short vacation to the San Luis valley of Southern Colorado.

I guarantee that when you leave for home you will be drastically changed and your view of reality will be expanded greatly!

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I spend a lot of time in So. Colo. as a guide and outfitter and i'm always astonished at the frequency of high strangeness I encounter. Everything from ufo, orbs, religious experiences, black ops, etc.

I extend this invitation to uninfluenced as well, but out of all the skeptics on ats that I've invited to the valley...not one has responded and I offered to buy the burgers and beer. I guess some are secure in their constipated intellectual view of the cosmos. Pity...it's strange, incomprehensible and beautiful!!

a reply to: BlueMule

What does this mean?

I said go back to the drawing board and let go of your expectations of a 'water-tight' case.

Are skeptics supposed to let go of the idea that evidence is necessary to give any topic or experience credibility?

If that is the case, then we are now delving in to the latest fad of new age belief. Which has nothing to do with facts and is more of a religion.

So says the one who isn't experiencing it or is paid to try and suppress it.

UFOLOGY IS THE REALITY OF LIFE ON EARTH. And there are millions with sightings, contact, testimonies.

You give it up, and wake up.

originally posted by: BlueMule
a reply to: PhoenixOD

*sigh*

People never listen to the time-travelling mystical ufo contactee.

What?

By the way I'd find it pretty boring too if it was about studying photos of things that are not easy to photo, then discussing with various skeptics, bugs, birds, etc, then listening to the debates and cia sponsored ufology events and info.

But that is not what its about, never will be what its about. Read Sleeper's threads and ET_MAN's threads, before they got to ET_MAN and started the religious stuff, because he got a lot of threats. I even fended off a threat for him and got threatened and discovered that the biggest box they control this world with, and probably countless others is religion. And woe unto you should you stray into the reality of quantum metaphysics, horton hears a who infinity talks, ufology and the way it really is, woe unto you if threads exist were people are sharing their own out of the box beliefs and experiences. New Age put downs! Threats. Bullying! Massive control system.

Real life is a school, and ufology is a wake up call, and you have to earn it. Ie. start to meditate, and ask for sightings, report for duty, I want to do the work I came into the world to do and overcome myself and the world, and help others, not be seflish but assist and not let anyone down above, ie Family or below, ie family.

You'll get sightings. And maybe even some contact.

Start achieving Peace/Love and Compassion, and you'll never fear, for even if the bullies show up, you'd extend compassion.

Have gratitude, for theres a huge wonderful team watching over, hotel earth and we're in 7 billion individual perception rooms. Job is to wake up and grow up, and be able to handle the responsibilities on higher levels without greed, apathy, selfishness, wars, inequality, power trips, domination, exhortion, etc.

Ufology is the biggest wake up call we have, and some of us are getting it.

originally posted by: uninfluenced
Either way, ufology today is about the most boring waste of time imaginable

That's your opinion, and you have every right to it. People who disagree with you are also free to choose what they like.

I personally find it interesting, but it's not all consuming for me like Telsa patents or break-thru discoveries, but I still find them interesting.

I don't like stamp collecting, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hit the forums for it and tell them their hobby and/or interest is a waste of time....

Have a beer mate:

It really depends on what your looking for really. If you happened to be the type that excites/gets afraid easily, and is into the new age mumbo jumbo, and will believe everything you see. Then your only going to be hurting yourself and ufology really.

However, if you happen to have been one of the lucky few, to have seen something. And is willing to look for well done, straight up theories and threads, as well as constantly nit picking the data to find viable facts. Then I'm sure you would be surprised sometimes. Usually it just tid bits, here an there.

If I told there one ufo that like fiery devil, who can hide behinds the curtain of light, and an other who is ball of lightning you could say, who doesn't hide.

Well, then you can surely, and safely assume I'm on crack, then.

Word of warning, there are many Jackals, and scavengers who would want to take advantage of sheep.

I have seen for my self two sightings and one strange phenomenon.
My first was shared with 6 other witness, it was dusk and a triangle flew over our heads, it was at least 200 yards up, and had an empty triangle in the middle. There was a noticeable vibration in the air that made us feel queasy.
The second was mid morning on a clear blue day, it was a shape of a sunflower seed, traveling too fast for normal craft and did an immediate L turn to the left, sped up and vanished.
The last was late at night, on a guard duty a beam of light came out of the sky, searched a compound, then went off, we were close enough to notice there were no audible sounds at all...so...I definitely believe.

a reply to: Specimen

Well have to say this, real experiencer, the geniune ones, who remember and have family who've seen and had missing time, and who've had over a million dollars probably spent on their sightings and surviellance of them, their sightings got choppers, scout planes, exotic planes and tr3b's overhead joining the other crafts, phone taps, vehicles tagging them, mysterious communications logo on trailers around their property.

They are suprisingly what you would call "new age".

If they're not, its not ET its the bankers and Romes agenda.

Sleeper and ET_MAN are giving the reality of what we're in.

Its a strange world where the fake cia brand are considered nuts and bolts ufology but the real experiencers are the ones giving it all a bad name.

Sorry, ET Is a big wake up call to the ISMS you're in, and for you to grow up and see through them.

originally posted by: uninfluenced
Hello there was a recent thread about a new interview with bob lazar, and i was thinking
despite all his talking and supposed revelations, what has come of it, absolutly nothing.

Lol, all that shows is how small your pessimistic and naive mind is. Egotistical people in denial choose to ignore reality and talk negatively, every single day. I have no idea what makes the human brain so delusional, I just know it is the ego that is in denial and loves to enforce judgmental negativity - but the judgments are always biased and Wrong.

I don't argue with it anymore, all of the pitiful hatred. All of the denial. The denial in thinking that you are not a pitiful hater when you have to argue with everything that resembles any kind of truth. It is evil hatred which causes such delusional negative activity in the mind. So ignorance is the ego and delusion taking captive of the negative humans on earth, the truth will never win when it faces the human ego because it is the epitome of denial - which means if anybody tells you any truth you will Deny it JUST because of Stubbornness.

But through the ignorance I have to agree with you because of all the other ignorant humans in the world. What is upsetting is that these ignorant humans have power and control. For example, who is the person who makes the decision to convey liars through the media? Why does a liar get so much attention in other words? Is it because all of the pitiful ignorant humans choose to listen to liars or is it because the controllers of the media choose to spend their money on working with liars because they hate us? Whatever the answer, like I am doing now I probably should voice my opinion as to why people are doing what they are doing.

It is dark, dishonest, evil, and perpetrating in every form of the word. It is turning against God. Like the devil it is a trick. They want to keep you in ignorance by tricking you.

The idiotic thing is that no matter how much I give examples, tell you and explain, you will always be in stubborn denial and let the liars manipulate your perception of reality and history. That I have no power to change which forces me to be content with all the biased people judging others and myself wrongly creating a negative delusion which they will stand up for with hypocrisy. I guess they want to turn into a liar also to be more like their mentors and teachers. They teach them to hate, and the student happily goes out into the world and shows as much hateful negativity as they can - just for the point of showing it - for absolutely no other reason.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

I already told you what skeptics must do. Go back to the drawing board, let go of the outdated concepts of your upbringing, and look at Ufology fresh, through the lens of the humanities instead of science. Read KRIPAL.

a reply to: uninfluenced

When you've seen something large in the air move silently by, up close, in broad daylight, and you have no idea what it is, you tend to keep an open mind about these things.

Im not a fan of UFO(Aliens visiting earth) nor believe in it. But i rather have someone who is interested in that subject keep doing their thing.

Because, if someone working at something, it will ensure me that all the bases are covered.

a reply to: uninfluenced

I don't believe that Ufology is pointless! As a confirmed
skeptic.. I think it is still a great Idea to watch the skies.

One day we will have our visitor.

a reply to: Unity_99

Reality a subjective argument most of the time.

a reply to: BlueMule

I think skepticism is rooted in the most basic of concepts.....if there is no evidence, no reason to believe. If there is evidence, no reason to believe...it's fact.

I am open to the possibilities and hope to someday get to meet ET/our creator, but it seems that this is no longer about UFO's and tangible evidence. This is about some sort of "new age/ufo" theology that requires more faith than anything else.

So if I look at the humanity side instead of the scientific side, I'm still left with nothing. As I said before, I can't believe personal stories or encounters because people are fallible, they lie and they embellish.

"Giving up" or "Quitting" is not the answer.

As a mater of fact: there really isn't one single answer to anything in this area.

Yes, a lot of people post photos or images that get debunked. But not every, single one of them get explained away. You still have those that defy explanation.

Not everyone is a liar. Not everyone is a hoaxer looking for attention.

Sometimes people are mistaken or confused about an image they captured, or something they saw in the sky. Many times it is because they do not understand what they are seeing, but ends up being something that can be explained.

However, sometimes that is not the case. Sometimes, it really is something that can not be explained.

That alone should be enough for people to keep investigating.

Should every story, every image and every video put out there be accepted as evidence or the truth?

No. It's a known fact that people out there are willing to deceive others. It's also possible for someone to be mistaken.

That is why investigations should continue. That is also why people should take a HARD look at things, and not accept every single thing that comes along.

Have we made progress? Depends on what you mean by "progress".

If you mean have we proven that UFOs are aliens, and they are visiting us, then the answer is "No." No one has proven that at all.

If you mean that many, many more people believe that UFOs exist and that alien life more than likely exists, then yes actually. Many more people think that way in today's world as compared to decades ago.

Will anything change in the future?

Maybe. Possibly.

But if everyone gave up and quit now, then we won't know, will we?

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: Unity_99

Reality a subjective argument most of the time.

Very true but...

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” – Albert Einstein

and that's what I see here from the intellectually constipated crybabies afraid to do some REAL investigation on their own; and sitting at a computer really doesn't qualify.

I made the offer in an earlier post. I'm not really surprised at how cowardly most skeptics are!