"You're dead," Minnesota Homeowner Told Teen Burglar

Lol this just sets a crazy precedent

Let's say Bob is inside someone's home, then they end up arguing over something and the other person blows Bob's brains out...he can just say Bob was an intruder?

Obviously Bob was inside the other man's home so he as a right to kill him now?

The old guy is guilty of at least second degree murder.

originally posted by: muse7
Lol this just sets a crazy precedent

Let's say Bob is inside someone's home, then they end up arguing over something and the other person blows Bob's brains out...he can just say Bob was an intruder?

Obviously Bob was inside the other man's home so he as a right to kill him now?

The old guy is guilty of at least second degree murder.

So you are saying that the old man invited these thieves into his home?
I didn't read that part of the story.

a reply to: butcherguy

Had he just shot them dead immediately then yes, perhaps he was in the right according to American home self defense laws. But the fact that when they didn't die immediately he executed them takes it FAR past self defense and into the realm of murder. The fact he was already waiting in the basement and had a tarp handy to move the body is what makes it premeditated. Why is this so difficult to understand???

a reply to: FlyersFan

He also shot the girl execution style. I agree with self defense and I might have done the same but this guy really got off on killing them and something is really disturbing about this story

a reply to: muse7

Who cares? I bet he feels better. He got justice. Sometimes that's what it takes.

originally posted by: Kryties
continue with your delusion that he was simply defending himself when he placed the gun under her chin while she was on the ground, bleeding and gasping for air, and blew her brains out.

You've called people who disagree with you psychotic ... said that they need psychiatric help ... and said that they are delusional. Do you have a degree in psychology? Guess what .... I do. The responses people have given you are not 'psychotic'. Not even remotely.

- The old man had been the victim of repeated violent crimes.
- The police were unable to stop the crimes.
- He was desperate and afraid so he made sure he would never be a victim of the punks again.
- He was pushed ... and no one knows what they'll do when continually threatened. They can say 'oh .. i'd just injure them .. I wouldn't take a life no matter what' ... they can say that all they want. But when the situation happens, things change.

- The thieves had no respect for the old man.
- The thieves repeatedly broke the law and were becoming more violent.
- The thieves could easily have harmed the old man. They were young, healthy, and had criminal intent.
- The thieves caused their own deaths.

Oh .. and the tarp thing ... we have tarps in our basement and in our garage. Lots of people do. He shouldn't have moved the body. But considering the situation, not everyone does exactly what the cops would want in regard to a crime scene.

a reply to: muse7
Now that's just deflection and silly.

originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: Kryties

Pretty self-righteous about another country's crime problem. You lack perspective.

How am I lacking perspective by realising the difference between self defense and murder?

Nobody, myself included, EVER said the kids weren't doing the wrong thing nor did we say the man had no right to defend himself. But moving the bodies and execution shots to the head minutes after the initial shootings are what makes this into premeditated murder, not self defense.

this guy should have lived in Texas. He would have been back home that same day, once the reports were filed.

I am not into homocide. I hope to never have to do it. But don't for one second think that the result would have been any different were it my house. My rule on thieves: none of them leave alive.

a reply to: Kryties


I'm pretty sure I have all the facts.

Punks break in same home multiple times owner is afraid takes measures to secure his home in case there is a next time when the next time came around owner rightfully shoots punk intruders dead and now his town is a little safer.

originally posted by: FlyersFan


Oh .. and the tarp thing ... we have tarps in our basement and in our garage. Lots of people do. He shouldn't have moved the body. But considering the situation, not everyone does exactly what the cops would want in regard to a crime scene.

He shouldn't have moved the body but it was OK to place a gun under the girls chin, minutes after the initial shootings, and execute her?

Seriously?

Anyone who thinks this is right is displaying psychopathic tendencies. I don't need a degree to tell me the flaming obvious.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: Kryties

Pretty self-righteous about another country's crime problem. You lack perspective.

How am I lacking perspective by realising the difference between self defense and murder?

Nobody, myself included, EVER said the kids weren't doing the wrong thing nor did we say the man had no right to defend himself. But moving the bodies and execution shots to the head minutes after the initial shootings are what makes this into premeditated murder, not self defense.

Given that they were there to rob him....i don't think I care to mire myself in all the extraneous details.

That man didn't seek confrontation. It was brought into his home. It is unconscionable that he would face repercussions. Even in death, the scumbags are going to victimize him. All against his will.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Kryties


I'm pretty sure I have all the facts.

Punks break in same home multiple times owner is afraid takes measures to secure his home in case there is a next time when the next time came around owner rightfully shoots punk intruders dead and now his town is a little safer.

You forgot the bit where he put a gun to the girls head while she was bleeding, gasping for air and dying on the ground and "finished her off".

Don't forget that bit now.

originally posted by: Bellor
As much as I understand some people like to believe you have a right to kill to protect your property. Personaly I would rather invest in better security first rather than resort to murdering two people.

Thats just me though.

Kill enough thieving SOB's and you will not have to buy an expensive security system. The problem is there are not enough thieves being shot dead yet. So the word has not gotten around.

a reply to: Kryties

Your indignation is duly noted.

originally posted by: thesaneone
Punks break in same home multiple times owner is afraid takes measures to secure his home in case there is a next time when the next time came around owner rightfully shoots punk intruders dead and now his town is a little safer.

One thing you forgot ... that multiple reports to the cops failed to stop the crimes, which were increasing in violence each time. Otherwise .. you got it.

Well, I've had enough of going around in circles with you lot. None of you seem to care that the man executed the thieves well after they were shot and down, in fact you seem to applaud it.

I am utterly disgusted.

I will be following this case and keeping my fingers crossed that this man gets exactly what he deserves - jailtime for premeditated murder. I really don't care about what the rest of the psychopaths in this thread think.

originally posted by: Kryties
Anyone who thinks this is right is displaying psychopathic tendencies. I don't need a degree to tell me the flaming obvious.

Apparently you do need a degree in psychology to figure it out ... because you are dead wrong.

a reply to: Kryties

Like you said she was dying on the ground anyway so I guess he felt it was more humane to not let her suffer.

I know that sounds cold but if she's dying she's dying.

originally posted by: luciddream
No Wonder American has problems, and its not drugs, its people with the mind that is okay to..


1)Execute a defenceless target by splattering their brains.

2)Okay to move crime evidence *oh yeah, as long as its in his house according to one*


Its the mentally retarded people with guns and a sick mind set that they can be the Executioner and Law.

Maybe America has problems because too many people make excuses for criminal behavior, and that encourages more criminal behavior. If someone breaks into your home, I hope you have a nice cup of tea and some crumpets waiting for them. Maybe you can talk them out of harming you, and you'll feel safer if you do have to put a few slugs in them, and will be in enough control of your emotions and adrenaline to not "finish them off."

What it really comes down to is people are sick of criminality, and many of us refuse to blame some old dude who finally gave a few young punks their just due. Maybe he even overreacted! Not going to blame him for it. Most people don't have any idea how they'd really react under similar circumstances, and you want to blame him for doing whatever he did, because YOU think YOU'D have reacted more "lawfully" if a few punks busted into your home for the third time.

Actually its the kids fault for living in such fudged up country anyway.

Actually, it's likely the fault of self absorbed, arrogant parents, who taught there sweet little angels that they can do no wrong, ever.