Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

a reply to: rock427

You are aware of how Russians fight, are you? Hitler thought he would take it in several months. Good luck with that. 3d Reich fell in result. Russians in Berlin. Napoleon thought he's up for it too. Russians in Paris. Those were the most powerful armies in history. Local conflicts ended pretty much the same. Russia is not Iraq. Don't fool yourself.

originally posted by: thegeck
a reply to: rock427

You are aware of how Russians fight, are you? Hitler thought he would take it in several months. Good luck with that. 3d Reich fell in result. Russians in Berlin. Napoleon thought he's up for it too. Russians in Paris. Those were the most powerful armies in history. Local conflicts ended pretty much the same. Russia is not Iraq. Don't fool yourself.

This is what some of these Merikans are missing.
They just dont know there history.

Just look at WW2 Russia was in a worse state then than now.
Its Navy and Air force were non existent.
What it did have was understrength and using ww1 Antiques.
And its best officers killed by Stalin.

Germany was more ahead of Russia then than the USA is today.

And yeah like the USA, Germany could maybe have won. I will admit that. But arrogance and pride mixed with gross underestimation of the enemy ruined any chance of a German victory, like it seems it will ruin any chance of a US victory.

If America wants to have any chance of victory it needs to grow up, stop the flag waving RAR RAR nonsense, swallow its pride and take Russia Seriously and accept that a wars outcome may very well not be certain. Then AND MAYBE then America maybe able to have some what of a fighting chance on the offensive against Russia.

I put offensive in bold as Russia have no chance of ever landing troops on US soil.

obama's blowing smoke out of where?

a reply to: crazyewok

Russia could easily lands troops on American soil being the 2 nations are separated by only about 50 miles.

As for Germany - they screwed up when Hitler got drunk on power and started ignore his generals. Germany most likely would have won had Hitler not opened up a 2 front war. As for the Russia front, Russian General's Winter, Cold and Mud played a significant part in Russia being able to hold the line.

As for the arrogance comment - Sure America is arrogant, equally so is Russia. Both leaders will underestimate the other, making any confrontation worse.

The one issue you neglect is overall military goals. Russia, like Germany, is not engaged in conflict to restore internal order. Their military doctrines were / are focused on conquest, expansion and annexation. So while it is being fought on the international front, it can also be fought internally. An issue that I feel Putin is ignoring when it comes to Ukraine. Those issues became even worse when Putin decided to finally admit green soldiers were in fact Russians and also admitting they have troops on the border.

Publicly stating the US military is superior to Russia is just as dangerous as people thinking the US cannot win an offensive war with Russia.

As for your rar rar nonsense, please look at what is going on in Russia and Ukraine. Russia is stirring up "nationalistic" fervor with his constant comments on "Ethnic Russians" and by his continued use of labeling anyone pro Ukraine as Neo fascist Nazis.

The problem with Propaganda is once it is repeated enough times, even those who made the information up start believing it to be the truth.

Obama said: "Our conventional forces are significantly superior to the Russians."

This is a statement of fact. He also said that the Kremlin understands this, which is also a statement of fact. Unlike many of you, the Russians cannot afford to live in a dream world. It is quite pathetic that a place which aims to 'deny ignorance' houses so many who have trouble reconciling with reality.

a reply to: Vovin

I seriously doubt in this day and age conventional warfare would mean much because when its all said and done even something like a nuke would level the playingfield for about 10 thousand years or so. Its hard to look like a bad ass when your whole city is ashes, but still no doubt the US would top that chart in who has the biggest bestest military warmachine in the world. But in warfare its generally the little surprises that get you in the end, I would not count Russia out, and you would have to be pretty stupid to increase pressure over nonsensical trivial stuff most of all political tirade.

In all I think both countries have enough arsenal to blow each other back to the stone age, and take the world with them. And if you look at current history there is one trend, that trend being countries without nukes seem to be invaded or liberated pretty often and countries with aren't. Ol Einstein and company were if not completely dead on but pretty accurate that the atomic bomb project would be just as much a deterrent to war, like his famous quote says "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"

This whole posturing is pointless, both countries armies and oh so technological warmachines now a days are nothing more then errand boys for those in power and corporations and other such interests. In many ways nations stopped existing some years ago, even Obama and others in politics and business which really are the same thing would have stock and interest in Russian oil and vice versa, in fact of that there is little doubt. I call shenanigans on the whole thing, more of the ol watch the left hand, while the right hand is reaching behind your back.

Besides I only care on which country has the fastest internet, its more portent to my every day life then who could posture up the most. Unfortunately both the USA and Russia did not even reach the top 10. I suppose if there is something real that goes down, well they just may be the last to find out, they just dont have enough bandwidth.

Ohhh so sad, most powerful countries in the world beat out by third world nations.
Countries with the fastest internet in the world

a reply to: Vovin

What matters is geography and logistics. Russia is a regional hegemonic empire and the US is the global empire. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russia is certainly a hegemon against Ukraine and Georgia, and the US is obviously not a, or the, "global empire".

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Vovin

Ohhh so sad, most powerful countries in the world beat out by third world nations.

Countries with the fastest internet in the world

Uhh, I live in the US and I get over 50MBps down and over 10 up with usually under 5ms ping. What's you're point?

a reply to: JohnnySasaki

5ms? Where are you? Neighboring property to the servers? lol....

I get about the same speed though. 50 down, 5-7 up and a 999gig cap. (their unlimited..but apparently, they can't say it, despite what that costs to have with all the caps now in place)

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Russia could easily lands troops on American soil being the 2 nations are separated by only about 50 miles.

As for Germany - they screwed up when Hitler got drunk on power and started ignore his generals. Germany most likely would have won had Hitler not opened up a 2 front war. As for the Russia front, Russian General's Winter, Cold and Mud played a significant part in Russia being able to hold the line.

As for the arrogance comment - Sure America is arrogant, equally so is Russia. Both leaders will underestimate the other, making any confrontation worse.

The one issue you neglect is overall military goals. Russia, like Germany, is not engaged in conflict to restore internal order. Their military doctrines were / are focused on conquest, expansion and annexation. So while it is being fought on the international front, it can also be fought internally. An issue that I feel Putin is ignoring when it comes to Ukraine. Those issues became even worse when Putin decided to finally admit green soldiers were in fact Russians and also admitting they have troops on the border.

Publicly stating the US military is superior to Russia is just as dangerous as people thinking the US cannot win an offensive war with Russia.

As for your rar rar nonsense, please look at what is going on in Russia and Ukraine. Russia is stirring up "nationalistic" fervor with his constant comments on "Ethnic Russians" and by his continued use of labeling anyone pro Ukraine as Neo fascist Nazis.

The problem with Propaganda is once it is repeated enough times, even those who made the information up start believing it to be the truth.

Are you sure want want to go down this road in this thread as well?

Every part of your post is so full of holes it's utterly annoying. Putting ethnic Russians in quotation marks is just as racist as putting quotation marks to "blacks", "jews", "gays", etc. Dude, just knock it off, we get it, you hate Russians, you do your little thing in every Russian related thread, but come on.

This topic is about Obamas posturing, not about your Russophobia.

double post. whoops

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: JohnnySasaki

5ms? Where are you? Neighboring property to the servers? lol....

I get about the same speed though. 50 down, 5-7 up and a 999gig cap. (their unlimited..but apparently, they can't say it, despite what that costs to have with all the caps now in place)

No. I live about 33 miles from the center of Harrisburg, PA. That's a straight line though.



10ms, so not quite 5, but I've gotten pretty low before.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: criticalhit
a reply to: alldaylong

Terrible Ally, France is more willing to fight these days than England, efforts in any fights have been token gestures since WW2 and steadily decreasing "showing up" is not commitment. You sent 45,000 troops to the gulf war, half of what Saudia Arabia committed, balked on Syria, and... to be fair, no one else sent crud... but as Nato and US allies goes that makes you the cherry on top of a poop Sunday, France ran out 14,000 and it was down hill from there... and Europe is nearly a Billion strong...

Fear in your hearts, Yes... Most of Europe is really freaking comfortable these days, you have it better than we do in the States, you have lived under our Nuclear Umbrella for decades, Posters love to spout MAD because you believe "it will never happen again" on your continent because of it, a couple of centuries of British expedition-ism and 2 world wars have left a philosophy that the effort to be a global force is fruitless and that Americas efforts are daft. Perhaps "fear" is a strong word? But by Philosophy the commitment is only to remain with a MAD enabling ally you believe will prevent Russia from moving West, beyond that the alliance is basically one sided.

and WW2... your cities were pounded almost daily, Normandy couldn't have happened without us, the British "stiff upper lip" couldn't have maintained itself forever and yes, your male population was bled dry since then of it's true heart and hasn't fully recovered to this day.

Just be honest, the average brit wants no part of a fight for any reason against anyone, you can argue the individual points but we know what general public opinion is, the Americans are foolish, we've been down this road, the alliance of Nato is a hedge and nothing more....

I'm not poking fun, frankly.... mostly these are good traits, If I didn't have a giant ocean between me and the actual field of battle i would be more pragmatic too... but the bottom line the will for a real fight is simply not there at all anywhere in Western Europe... Washington IS full of war Hawks, don't actually disagree with that in anyway. But the reality is... it's a sick sad world you live in, Europe will be come for again, via many different angles not just militarily, American aggression is there for a reason, for 20 years "The Russians will never".... LOL YES THEY WILL they are doing it right now... By economy and manpower YOU and the rest of Europe should be bearing and sharing the same level of technical and man power and economic expenditure we do

1 Billion (almost) vs 300 Million by GDP and Labor, your commitment should exceed the US by a factor of 3... it doesn't even come close and the Bear is on your doorstep not ours... In fairness, your the best we have, but that's still a joke.

Your a disgrace to your country.

Disgrace to my country why?

Because I don't think England and France (maybe a genuinely united Eu) actually are significant enough on the world stage any more to warrant a permanent seat on the Un security council?

Because I feel like the British history is riddled with nasty things a monarchy still in place in anyway is obscene in the 21st century and I remember all too well why we kicked your hineys in the first place?

Because all of our presidents are still decended from bloodlines and have ties to ridiculous organizations formed back in the old world by you?

Because truthfully British politics in general lend nothing to American ideas of freedom and I feel you have way too much influence on us and because your history is riddled with the oppression f other people and I think there are better allies out there?

All those things make me a bad Brit, but not at all a bad American. Go away your agendas and issues have never done us any good, in fact it's your crusades and Imperialism that started 90% of the serious conflicts that make the world distrust the West to this day.

As to the topic, not a single NATO member has ever been even remotely prepared to conduct offensive operations on Soviet/Russian territory.

There is simply no hardware that can achieve this task, much less any logistical support that can hack it.

NATO tanks can't operate dynamically even in their own theater, unless they are supported by folding/floating bridges along with full engineer corps to work it all out.

Swedish STUG "S" is the only NATO tank designed for operations in forested areas, but is usable only with ambush tactics.

NATO soft armor lacks real cross country mobility, because they are simply not capable of crossing rivers without support. Just about everything Soviets made swims, including a number of SAM systems.

The magic of air power, drones, and pinpoint strikes are great on paper, but reality shows time and time again, that what matters is holding the ground.

Vietnam took more pounding then all of the bombs dropped on Germany in WWII, both pound for pound and veracity of the attacks, but it didn't break them. Taliban are getting strafed by helos and blown up by missiles from drones every day, they haven't backed down an inch. Not only that, apparently they been known to shoot down Cobras with their AK-47s.

Unless ground is held, and held completely, there is no point, and to this day nobody managed to hold Russia. Up to a certain point I though that the Golden Horde was the only military force in history that conquered and held Russian territories, but even that turned out to be a manufactured lie.

It seems that the only way Russia has always been destabilized, was from within. Exactly the same pattern is occurring now.

@Crazy ewok...

And let me add...

Look at how you start your posts, "Merikans" The entirety of your opinion shows and it's constantly echoed by Brits in any forum I go to anywhere.

What are you guys, a crummy Island, a failed Empire, a system renowned for pissing off the entire world, so many conspiracies stem from your nation you could build a branch of ats just to cover them...

How are you even allies? You and the rest of Nato don't pay for squat by comparison, always, always negative statements about us, your own blood is apparently more precious than ours in every conflict, you were only cool in WW@ because the Germans were wiping the floor with you.

Truthfully your only actual relevance is because of us. Your a crummy little island with a dwindling British population. The only thing you have going for you is talking smack, you sound good doing it...fair. But what is that worth? Your global relevance in my lifetime was the Falkland Island War...

a reply to: crazyewok
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Interesting, I assumed you were a 14 year old boy.

You hate nukes?
Right.
You hate putin?
Right.

Tough times call for action, but I wager you don't have what it takes to take that step.
I figure you for a milk boy, I can't win a battle with grammer Nazi's, that is ONE battle you got, hands.

Regardless though, I have seen of enough of your post to past judgement.

Cowardice is a nasty stench, try some deodorant

We will remain at odds when it comes to US vs Russia.
America's might a full pace is vastly superior to russias.
BTW, nobody is trying to occupy them, just a good whipping with the big stick, gotta teach the kids you know.

originally posted by: criticalhit
@Crazy ewok...

And let me add...

Look at how you start your posts, "Merikans" The entirety of your opinion shows and it's constantly echoed by Brits in any forum I go to anywhere.

What are you guys, a crummy Island, a failed Empire, a system renowned for pissing off the entire world, so many conspiracies stem from your nation you could build a branch of ats just to cover them...

How are you even allies? You and the rest of Nato don't pay for squat by comparison, always, always negative statements about us, your own blood is apparently more precious than ours in every conflict, you were only cool in WW@ because the Germans were wiping the floor with you.

Truthfully your only actual relevance is because of us. Your a crummy little island with a dwindling British population. The only thing you have going for you is talking smack, you sound good doing it...fair. But what is that worth? Your global relevance in my lifetime was the Falkland Island War...

If this was a rapper battle, the other guy would've been carried of the stage.

Brutal.

a reply to: criticalhit
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You get use to the anti american rhetoric.
Don't let it get to you, these guys feel vastly inferior to American power, its like, we are not even trying to be, we are just who we are.

Every great nation has a few folks like this who wish it's downfall.
Then on to the next...an the next....it gets old.

a reply to: Vovin

And then he flies away to the other side of the world. What a Pres.

It may be true that the US has superior military technology to the Russians. But if we get into an all out war with Russia, and it ends up going nuclear, we are still capable of destroying each other utterly. So in the end it doesn't really matter who outguns who if we both end up as dust particles in the stratosphere.