Pictures Of Mystery Plane Over Wichita

originally posted by: ken10
If these are the US "black ops", what happened to the back engineered anti-gravity alien tech ?....These are just planes with jet engines ...No ?

Antigravity craft doesn't necessarily mean alien tech Boeing have been looking into it for decades and before them the Luftwaffe

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Nope. That one is still on the drawing board.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I know it wobbles. If it weren't for precision guided munitions it would never have been built! I know it's as stealthy as a brick. Why? YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S COMING! It's that simple. Ugh! Did you NOT understand the "submarine" analogy I gave you? Here's how someone "knows" when the B-2 is coming. The U.S. Air Force SUCKS at EMCON! No big deal. WHy should the US Air Force be any different than any other military organization on the planet! Want an example of an aircraft than is MORE stealthy than a B-2? The Sopwith Camel. No radios, No radar. No Fly-by-wire computers. Doesn't require nor is capable of in-air refueling. Doesn't use SATCOMM. Sure, the B-2 is stealthy, if your opponent is the Taliban! For people that understand how to exploit the electromagnetic spectrum? Not so much. Plus, it ain't nearly as cool as the B-1 or B-52. Also, there are a very few B-2's in existence. Also we keep them all at the same base, so every time one lands or takes off? No, there would NEVER be any "bad" guys living near the B-2's home that could hop on the internet and send an e-mail somewhere that says "they're taking off now". I get it. It's an Air Force bomber, you dig planes. So do I. But it's really just another pointless escalation in the world of counter-measures. And it does wobble. It's impossible for it NOT TO!

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: ken10
If these are the US "black ops", what happened to the back engineered anti-gravity alien tech ?....These are just planes with jet engines ...No ?

Antigravity craft doesn't necessarily mean alien tech Boeing have been looking into it for decades and before them the Luftwaffe

But we've been hearing for years that the US have alien technology flying around the skies, lots of readers here believe the US have them too......maybe these "planes" answer the question.

a reply to: tencap77

Holy crap you have no idea what you're talking about. When the B-2 goes silent, it's COMPLETELY silent. It's signature is measured in the negative db, and that's when it's NOT being silent, with all stealth systems running.

The B-2 does not "wobble". That's what the computers are for. No modern combat plane, the B-2 including, can fly without the computers. They ALL wobble. It makes them more maneuverable, and more efficient. They can drop non-PGM weapons as well as PGMs, with great accuracy as well.

What part of "forward deployed" did you not understand earlier? You really think they're stupid enough to keep every one of them at one location and fly them to combat from there every time? Not to mention the simple fact that even if you see them taking off from Whiteman, where are they going? They could be going anywhere in the world, and arrive there any time.

Heading back to Area51

a reply to: Zaphod58
Very true brother.
But remember, the F-35 is USAF, Marine, and a Navy project.
BTW, I'm back at Kirtland AFB =)

a reply to: Violater1

True, but in this case, the Air Force already had the F-117, and the B-2 on the way, and the Navy didn't have anything. The A-12 was strictly a Navy program.

You'll have a U2U in a second with a question.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Nope. That one is still on the drawing board.

Replacement for the B-2?

Clues please I'm Intrigued

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Wolfenz

But no evidence is not proof either though.

The shuttle was on the drawing board in 1969. It didn't fly until 1981, but it was under development from the 1960s as well.

I say Concepted... in from 1962 to 1969 Im Speaking of Not includeing the X-15 or the X-20 but what the Shuttle is/was of today

Tho Russia had a Model like the American Space Shuttle in a Wind Tunnel the mid to late 60s as ive just shown that phorto with Yuri Gagarin .

Im not Sure if The Americans Had went this far with a wind tunnel testing of Model .

The program formally commenced in 1972, although the concept had been explored since the late 1960s, and was the sole focus of NASA's manned operations after the final Apollo and Skylab flights in the mid-1970s. The Shuttle was originally conceived of and presented to the public in 1972 as a 'Space Truck' which would, among other things,

en.wikipedia.org...

History Of Space Shuttles
www.spacetoday.org...


( Well this is a Must See lots of Photos )

Space Shuttle Concept Art of the 1960s and 1970s
Monday, 19 August 2013
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a reply to: TritonTaranis

There are clues in another thread. Enough to put together a few things.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: TritonTaranis

There are clues in another thread. Enough to put together a few things.

I shall look appreciated

The planform is the same between the image captured over Texas as over Kansas. The roll angle of the aircraft is greater w.r.t. the camera location in Texas. I believe these two photo events are of the same aircraft. These are not images of the B-2.

Kansas Mystery Aircraft Analyzed

I would be most interested in hearing the analysis to date, by shadowhawk or gariac, if they were to weigh in.

a reply to: snypwsd
Are you saying the B-2 is supposed to be secret? Because I've seen a B-2 stealth at an airshow before.

This is not the B-2.

Second line

Could it be these that are the Canidates to the OP's Photo that is in Question ?

Rumoured Top Secret Aircraft That Probably Never Flew, Or Even Existed

12 March 2010 / 38
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the Photo looks like

TR - 3A Black Mantra


TR - 3
United States Patent 4019699

( looks more like an A - 12 A II Note : The Vapor Trails of the OP Photo )

Underside of a A - 12 Avenger II





The OP'S Photo

The A-12 Avenger II was envisioned by McDonnell Douglas and General Dynamics as an all-weather, carrier-based stealth bomber for the U.S. Navy and Marines. Shrowded in secrecy at the time of development in 1983, the A-12 reportedly gained the nickname “Flying Dorito”. Concept drawings and mock-ups show a flying wing design in the shape of an isosceles triangle, with the cockpit near the apex.

Though.

Development of the A-12 was hampered by problems. The project was cancelled in January 1991 by then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney when the estimated price of each plane allegedly hit $165 million. The cancellation was said to be a breach of contract, resulting in years of legal wrangling. In 2009, a court finally ruled in favour of the government and ordered the contractors to pay more than a $2 billion in charges, but the battle ranges on to this day.

Virtual Globetrotting Reveals A-12 Avenger Stealth Plane Mock-up

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a reply to: TAGBOARD

Actually they appear to be different aircraft. Texas had some curve to the leading and trailing edges, this one is straight.

a reply to: Zaphod58
Completely silent? As in acoustically-silent? Not just radar silent? Lol

Penetration mode?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Let me try to re-post Steve Douglass' analysis, with a link that works this time.

Kansas Mystery Aircraft Analyzed

Per the link above, I will stand by my earlier statement, the two aircraft look be the same planform, but photographed at different roll angles.

I understand and respect folks' opinions about the trailing edge being different, however, based on Steve Douglass' analysis, and Occam's Razor, I believe it is the same platform, and not a B-2.

In addition, the apparent aspect ratio of this airframe is relatively low, which indicates it is not so much an ISR/Strike platform as just Strike. Higher sweep angles lend to higher Mach numbers, but lower endurance.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: yuppa

Do any of these planes look black to you, or straight edged, or B2 like?

FROM BELOW A STEALTH BOMBER WILL APPEAR BLACK I HAVE SEEN THIS MYSELF. It also helps to be dressed in black. Stealth planes are coated with radar-absorbent materials substances with high absorbency of light(ESPECIALLY BLACK) at radio frequencies. One such coating is iron ball paint, which contains microscopic iron spheres that resonate in tune with incoming radio waves and dissipate the majority of their energy as heat, leaving little to bounce back to detectors.

In high sunlight on the TOP it does not look as black due to the SUNLIGHT ON TOP,but th eangle of th eOPs photo it was taken from BELOW. WHat you suggest does not apply to the laws of psychics. Now in YOUR PICTURE no it DONT APPEAR BLACK but IS it s B2? if its not a B2 then you know where you can go.