MH370 missing (Part 2)

Firstly, I'm quite surprised how quickly this has gone from the media. With so many questions that have not been answered I find it quite baffling.

Usually I don't tend to believe a lot of these conspiracy theories but one thing so far I do believe is that 1 or more countries is somehow involved in one way or another whether that be with the actual disappearance or some kind of cover up. I don't understand the reasons for the lack of transparency from a few countries.

Personally I do not think this plane crashed into the ocean. I know the ocean is large but with today's technology I find it quite hard to believe this plane has not been found. Planes are pretty big and I would guess if it crashed into the sea that would happen at a high speed which is inevitably going to smash up the plane a little at least and every single part of this plane has sunk to the bottom of the ocean and still not been to be found? Really? Sorry it doesn't wash with me.

There's so many thing wrong about this in my mind, the Malaysian authorities seem to be to be quite incompetent in so many ways. I also feel the US could of done much more, I got the impression they didn't want to help.

I have read the Australians will not release the data from the "ping" signals they received. Why the hell not? I don't really understand how the pings work but I think they are not from MH370. They were probably from a Submarine or something maybe even by some country trying to keep the goose chase going, Who knows!?!!

I think the plane was hijacked, possibly not by anyone on board the plane and it landed I don't think its as hard to hide a plane as some people have suggested.

a reply to: ashpack

I think you're a pretty perceptive person.

originally posted by: ashpack
Firstly, I'm quite surprised how quickly this has gone from the media. With so many questions that have not been answered I find it quite baffling.

Usually I don't tend to believe a lot of these conspiracy theories but one thing so far I do believe is that 1 or more countries is somehow involved in one way or another whether that be with the actual disappearance or some kind of cover up. I don't understand the reasons for the lack of transparency from a few countries.

Personally I do not think this plane crashed into the ocean. I know the ocean is large but with today's technology I find it quite hard to believe this plane has not been found. Planes are pretty big and I would guess if it crashed into the sea that would happen at a high speed which is inevitably going to smash up the plane a little at least and every single part of this plane has sunk to the bottom of the ocean and still not been to be found? Really? Sorry it doesn't wash with me.

There's so many thing wrong about this in my mind, the Malaysian authorities seem to be to be quite incompetent in so many ways. I also feel the US could of done much more, I got the impression they didn't want to help.

I have read the Australians will not release the data from the "ping" signals they received. Why the hell not? I don't really understand how the pings work but I think they are not from MH370. They were probably from a Submarine or something maybe even by some country trying to keep the goose chase going, Who knows!?!!

I think the plane was hijacked, possibly not by anyone on board the plane and it landed I don't think its as hard to hide a plane as some people have suggested.

My thoughts, EXACTLY!!

It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE that not one single part of the aircraft has not yet been found.. A commercial airliner is made up of hundreds of components that are DESIGNED to float, in case of an incident such as 'this one'. Not ONE shred of physical evidence, yet.

It landed somewhere. Period.

Where? I don't know, but someone does.

To help with the information about the garbled message, we have 9 references to 'garbled' in the Part I of this thread as follows:

The links are approximate which means you may have to look at the previous/following posts to find the word. (bug in the program, sorry!)
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There is also quite a good interview with a former Chief Pilot of Malaysian Airways which can be downloaded if you wish too.

Thanks qmantoo

He is essentially saying the same, but it is great too see this interview, thanks for sharing

The original source about JAL750 is NST in Kuala Lampur.

a reply to: earthling42
Thanks. I notice that NST source mentions "mumbling", but doesn't mention anything about "cabin collapse" that was reported on the chinatimes website.

originally posted by: qmantoo
There is also quite a good interview with a former Chief Pilot of Malaysian Airways which can be downloaded if you wish too.

It's pretty good, but I'd think that as a pilot he'd be less inclined to point a finger at pilots, especially those with a record as spotless as he claims.

He says that radio communications would be one of the last things to go. This might be true if the plane was low on electrical power and the computer was managing which systems should be shut down and which should get the scarce electrical power, so his statement isn't totally without merit, however, why it's also ignorant is that the plane is not designed to have any fires, so for him to say what will happen in the event of a fire and that radio would be the last to go in that case implies he has way more knowledge of how the aircraft is engineered than he is likely to have.

Even if a Boeing engineer told me that, I'd be skeptical because if they were designing for a fire, they'd be more worried about avoiding the fire altogether.

Anyway I'm not saying the pilots should be excluded as possibly intentionally turning some things off, but what I am saying he he seemed a little too confident that things pointed in that direction to me, and his reasons for that don't seem well founded in the engineering of the aircraft if he's extrapolating what would happen in a low power situation to what would happen in a fire.

Also doesn't the "mumbling" suggest a possibility that the pilots may have been partially incapacitated, like maybe from hypoxia perhaps? Couldn't mumbling be a sign of hypoxia?

The garbled comm from the JAL pilot is the only thing I have seen. This multiple aircraft contacts posted doesn't seem correct. The nature of conspiracy sites...

a reply to: roadgravel
That's the only aircraft contact, but the "cabin collapse" which may be a mistranslation of "decompression" had the chinatimes as the source, which was posted on page 18 of this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... wasn't an aircraft contact, it was supposedly heard by US troops stationed in Thailand according to the US Embassy, according to chinatimes.

This translation is a little different than the google translation posted there which uses the word "disintegration" instead of "collapse" which again, either could mean "decompression".

Malaysia Airlines passenger plane lost, Malaysia, China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia and other 5 countries participate in search and rescue. Malaysia, and Viet Nam have dispatched planes to lock lost sea search. United States cable news network (CNN) reported in real time, a Vietnam search-and-rescue aircraft already in Malaysia and Vietnam border Sea oil and debris.

In addition, the United States Embassy said 2:43 A.M. US troops are stationed in Thailand military base Fort UTA had been listening to a Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 the SOS emergency call signals, aircraft pilots call the cabin faced collapse, they're going to crash. Current US forces in Thailand to Malaysia to provide the signal.

Because that doesn't seem to be repeated in any English sources, it's questionable, though I don't really know how reliable chinatimes is as a source. Lately I don't trust CNN much either.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur---->and that radio would be the last to go in that case implies he has way more knowledge of how the aircraft in engineered than he is likely to have.

In an electrical jet like the B777 systems are designed for redundancy.
With my experience and knowledge of the B777 systems the flight control systems would probably last longest in case of a fire.
As long as there's no structural damage to the fuselage.
But every emergency is different, so that's just an educated Guess.

Also doesn't the "mumbling" suggest a possibility that the pilots may have been partially incapacitated, like maybe from hypoxia perhaps? Couldn't mumbling be a sign of hypoxia?

I doubt that, more likely that the pilots were busy managing whatever emergency they were facing.
In an emergency communication is the last point on the list.

originally posted by: Ivar_Karlsen
With my experience and knowledge of the B777 systems the flight control systems would probably last longest in case of a fire.
I doubt that, more likely that the pilots were busy managing whatever emergency they were facing.
In an emergency communication is the last point on the list.

I hear a lot of people saying that a fire that would take out the transponder and radio would also take out the flight control systems, and my response to that is, maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But since it's not designed to have fires, predicting the exact consequences of some unexpected fire is beyond the abilities of most people.

a reply to: Arbitrageur
The transponder and the radios are located in the same rack in the cockpit while the flight control computers (3 of them) are located downstairs at 3 seperate locations about 17 feet apart, that's why my personal theory are they will last longest in case of a fire.

I dont want to start another thread on this subject, but does anyone think that MH370 may have been on it's way to smash into the Petronas Towers and the Military took it down somewhere either in the Andaman Or south China Sea..Just a Thought.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur---->But since it's not designed to have fires

The B777 was from the beginning designed with ETOPS in mind, designing a redudant system one have to design fail operativity in case of a fire into the system.

2:42 puts it south of Malaysia, based on the speculated track. If the US embassy story was true wouldn't we have heard more of it. Also flying off course for over an hour and no other radio calls in that hour+ time that anyone heard. Suspicious.

originally posted by: roadgravel
2:42 puts it south of Malaysia, based on the speculated track. If the US embassy story was true wouldn't we have heard more of it. Also flying off course for over an hour and no other radio calls in that hour+ time that anyone heard. Suspicious.

Not really suspicious if the decompression or emergency report is true. Anything could have caused that, but I also think that some comms should be available if there was a fire as all coms would not have been taken out by just one fire. If it was a fire, it could not have been that large for it to incapacitate all passengers and crew yet allowed for the jet to continue flying in a porpoise-like way for the rest of the journey (to the Indian Ocean).

As far as I have read, there seem to be items on a yes/no decision-tree which exclude certain outcomes and a major fire does not allow for continued flying for 6+ hours. I seem to remember the sighting by the oil rig worker said that the plane was going down but it may just have been going away from him perhaps. However, flames seen from that far away would indicate a good ol' fire burning.

No-one has denied the receiving of this emergency message by the US base and reported by the US Embassy as far as I know, although no-one has reinforced it either. That might be a telling factoid because usually there are small details released in the early days which proves true in hindsight. Mainly because the authorities do not know what 'angle' they will take at that stage on the incident. I think this item might be correct because no-one has referred to it and it has been (purposely?) forgotten. Why should ChinaDaily make up such a story and the American Embassy in China would not release such information without fairly good authority.

It is quite unbelievable that only an american embassy would have heard it.
That is why i doubt it, all the traffic in that region would have heard the same and undoubtly would have shared it with Malaysia and the media.

The only place I see reference is on reddit.

The location of U-Tapao seems to make it unlikely unless the plane flew West or Northwest from the last know point via ATC.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I dont want to start another thread on this subject, but does anyone think that MH370 may have been on it's way to smash into the Petronas Towers and the Military took it down somewhere either in the Andaman Or south China Sea..Just a Thought.

wow...that is indeed an intriguing theory.

I have recently not read and discussed about MH370 anymore since the topic in some odd way became really "annoying" to me, mainly because I can't make heads or tails of any of the existing theories. Each theory has some significant holes and most data/facts we have is really false, up to and including data about the alleged descending/ascending/maneuvers etc. of the plane.

It's also rather difficult to come up with a reasonable theory based on those "facts".

But let us try...

I think we can with some certainty ASSUME that possibly the plane didn't disintegrate since (in my opinion) SOME debris should have been found by now despite the vast area of ocean and despite the fact we don't even know the alleged location where the plane crashed. But even THEN I think we should have debris found on satellite pictures etc...which we don't.

THIS automatically leads to the question whether it's possible that the plane "smoothly" crash-dived into the water without breaking apart and not losing any notable pieces.

Would that be possible? Basically, the plane sunk in one piece, there is no debris, nothing? How reasonable is that?

Given that this area of ocean is indeed extremely vast (a simple look at map shows that)....I think it would be possible the plane resting deep underneath the ocean...and then it would indeed be (almost) impossible to find it. You cannot just sonar-scan 1000s of miles of ocean in a short time, it's literally like a needle in haystack, IMHO.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowedts".

You cannot just sonar-scan 1000s of miles of ocean in a short time, it's literally like a needle in haystack, IMHO.

Quite right, you can't. That's why it's the ideal place for a red herring.